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#218038 - 04/14/08 12:17 PM Re: Is there a God? TRIGGER WARNING [Re: endlessjourney]
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The question of "believing in God" or being an "atheist" is rather difficult for me.

I would say that I believe in "God," but the way that I define "God" probably makes me more or less an atheist.

Anyway, our beliefs about God say more about ourselves than they do about God.

Text-based religions like Judaism and Christianity have are based on documents, yes -- but these documents are often vague and cryptic and open to numerous interpretations. The Torah or the Gospels are just lifeless books without people -- a community -- to read, study, interpet, and live them. That gap between the text and its application -- the human element in revelation -- gives tremendous power to the individual.

In Judaism, we have the teaching that the Torah is no longer in heaven -- its in our hands to do and to teach (and to interpret it and change it as necessary). Catholic Christians (Roman, Orthodox, and Anglican) have the evolving Sacred Tradition that supplements and explains the Scriptures. Even sola>
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#441565 - 07/21/13 01:57 AM Re: Is there a God? TRIGGER WARNING [Re: Darren]
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most of the people i have met that condemn gays and shun them using scripture have probably forgotten a few key bible passages.

they like to quote
Leviticus 20:13
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Romans 1:26-27
"For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error."


but they themselves are in violation of several of god's laws and commandments.

Romans 3:23
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."

we need to remember the commandments.

Leviticus 19:18
"Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD."

Matthew 22:36-40
“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

John 14:21
"Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them."

and quite often the god loving gay haters i talk to are hardcore heteros who fornicate as often as they can to prove their masculinity through promiscuity and adultery and immorality and pornography.

Matthew 5:28
"But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Exodus 20:14
"You shall not commit adultery."

1 Corinthians 6:18
"Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body."

Galatians 5:16
"But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh."

1 Thessalonians 4:3-5
"For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God."

1 John 2:16
"For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world."

Galatians 5:19-21
"Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Galatians 6:8
"For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life."

1 Peter 2:11
"Beloved, I urge you as sojourners and exiles to abstain from the passions of the flesh, which wage war against your soul."

James 1:14-15
"But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death."


i think we should all take another look at
Matthew 7:1-5

"Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
"


in closing, i won't tell you what kind of sinner i am,
but you can be 100% certain that i am a sinner.
that makes me unfit to judge any other person.
and only my creator can judge me.

whatever someone does is between them and god.

Deuteronomy 32:35
"It is mine to avenge; I will repay. In due time their foot will slip; their day of disaster is near and their doom rushes upon them."

Hebrews 10:30
"For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people."

Romans 12:19
"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord."

as far as answering the question...
Is there a god?
that is for you to decide.
i have made up my mind.

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