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#85428 - 01/07/03 05:41 PM Nowhere to run
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Tuesday January 7, 07:43 PM

Gary Glitter deported from Cambodia


LONDON (Reuters) - Former glam rock star Gary Glitter, convicted of child pornography offences in 1999, has been deported from Cambodia after being arrested in the country.

Glitter, who had set up home last year in the Cambodia -- a country with a reputation as a safe haven for child sex offenders -- was detained on December 26 and deported on December 28 after spending two days in prison, the Foreign Office said.

"We can confirm that he was deported from Cambodia," a Foreign Office spokesman told Reuters.

Foreign Office officials were unable to say exactly why Glitter had been detained and then deported.

Glitter, whose real name is Paul Gadd, was flown to Thailand, according to UK media reports. His lawyers are understood to be challenging the deportation.

After the 58-year-old was detained, the decision to deport him was taken by the Cambodian authorities with no involvement from British officials, the Foreign Office said.

Glitter was sentenced in Britain in 1999 to four months in prison for downloading child pornography from the Internet.

The 1970s pop icon caused a storm of controversy last May when he was found setting up home in Cambodia, whose notoriously lax judicial system and weak law enforcement have created its reputation as a safe haven for child sex offenders.

Although he committed no crimes in Cambodia, the impoverished Southeast Asian nation's minister for woman's affairs led a campaign to kick Glitter out on the grounds his presence sullied the country's image.

He left Cambodia at the end of May, and was widely believed to have gone to Vietnam, although this was never confirmed.

He turned up again in Phnom Penh late last year and stayed as a tourist in an unidentified guest house

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Hopefully other countries will follow the example of Cambodia and begin to clean their act up, although they have a long way to go.

But the expulsion of this creep is a start,although I had hoped he would be extradited back to the UK where new laws would mean he could be tried for his crimes abroad.

Dave

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#85429 - 01/07/03 05:59 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Dave.

I must say I was surprised that Cambodia deported Glitter. I agree it really is about time ALL countries took the care of their children more seriously.

Rather than have him trawl the world looking for a suitable place to set up home and start offending again, maybe the U.K. government should have sort his extradition to our country so he could have been tried here. Maybe the worlds goverments should take a more proactive role in keeping tabs of it's sex offenders and where they re-offend take the responsibilty for their CUSTODIAL sentances. The country where the offence took place could still try the offender, but why should it be their responsibility to keep our dregs locked up?

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#85430 - 01/07/03 06:41 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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It's enuf to make me shudder every time I hear "Rock N Roll Part II"!

BTW Dave's post title is also the title of a pretty good hit song by Martha & the Vandellas.

I pray for the day when there will be "nowhere to run, nowhere to hide," for any perp, and they will all have to "face the music." \:o

Victor

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#85431 - 01/08/03 07:42 AM Re: Nowhere to run
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Martha & the Vandellas - now you're talking Vic'.

Years ago I was DJ and I played mainly Motown, Stax, any soul and R&B stuff.
Still got a pile of it here, although a lot was stolen.

Dave

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#85432 - 01/08/03 10:56 AM Re: Nowhere to run
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Dave:

If I had back the money I've spent on albums, 8-tracks (remember those?), and 45's I've had lost or stolen (and some I threw away!), well... I'd have probably blown it by now anyway! Oh well. :rolleyes:

I love good soul music; some R&B too. How about Diana Ross & The Supremes?--and I still say she was better with them than without them, just IMNSHOFWIW!

Victor

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#85433 - 01/11/03 05:00 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Talking of Gary Glitter and the importance of The Bell Record Label

The sh*t is really going to hit the fan when Chris Denning returns to the United Kingdom as unfortunately he was deported (to a country of his choice) from the Czech Republic even though the Home office did try to get him back to answer charges of Child Sexual Abuse.

Chris Denning was head of Bell records UK promotion dept whose acts included Gary Glitter, The Bay City Rollers (produced by Jonathan King) and managed by Tam Patton. Is this a coincidence. Denning was also second in command of Kings UK records label untill King got wind of a possible police investigation....there are still one hell of a lot of abusers out there in the music industry especailly those that have histories spanning three or four decades

I just hope that Pete Townshends statement backs him up....but a man with his itelligence surely!

Its a very long story

Talking of Motown Marvyn Gaye and Tammi Terrells "Youre all i need to get by" is perhaps the finest record ever made as is Gladys Knight and The Pips version of "Just walk in my shoes".

And all that was left was hope

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#85434 - 01/11/03 06:05 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Wow Kirk you really did your homework. Thanks for the info.

BTW what's this about Pete Townshend?...

Victor

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#85435 - 01/11/03 08:15 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Breaking news over here - Pete Townsend guitarist with The Who is one of those rounded up in the big US / UK / European operation that is still ongoing - the people who were stupid enough to use a credit card on a child porn site !

Townsend has issued a statement that he was investigating the site as part of work he was doing to prevent child abuse. He also said he might have been abused as a child himself and that he does use porn extensivly.

He's also one of my musical heroes, and I hope what he say's is true - stupid maybe - who knows?

What Kirk's saying about the Bell record label has all the makings of a story about to burst as well, it appears that there are more names to come from that area.

But what a rich area for perps the music industry is, when we were kids the bands were heroes to us.
I idolized Mick Jagger and Jim Morrison at that time.

And if you want a very good and funny read about the whole idolization thing read Danny Sugerman's book Wonderland Avenue about how a teenager became the manager of the Doors and Iggy Pop.
The old expression of sex, drugs and rock and roll don't do it justice, the part where he loses control of a car and drives trough someones roof is pure Spinal Tap, but it's listed as an autobiography.

Dave

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#85436 - 01/11/03 09:48 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Dave thanks for the info. Boy does that stuff about Pete Townsend give me mixed feelings! Damn!

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#85437 - 01/12/03 09:54 AM Re: Nowhere to run
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The Sunday Times - Britain

January 12, 2003

I’m no paedophile, pleads rock star Townshend
David Leppard
SCOTLAND YARD’S paedophile squad was yesterday preparing to question Pete Townshend, the rock star, after he said he had viewed child pornography on the internet.

Townshend, the lead guitarist with the Who whose songs include The Kids Are Alright and My Generation, said he had once used a credit card to access a pay-per-view child pornography website.

He said he was doing research for a campaign against child abuse and that he was writing a childhood autobiography.

In a statement he said: “I am not a paedophile. I have never entered chat rooms on the internet to converse with children.

I have to the contrary been shocked, angry and vocal (especially on my website) about the explosion of advertised paedophilic images on the internet.

“I have been writing my childhood autobiography for the past seven years. I believe I was sexually abused between the age of five and six-and-a- half when in the care of my maternal grandmother who was mentally ill at the time.”

He accused American banks and credit card companies of making millions of pounds out of pornography. However he added: “On one occasion I used a credit card to enter a site advertising child porn. I did this purely to see what was there.

I spoke informally to a friend who is a lawyer and reported what I’d seen.”

Townshend, 57, who is married with three children, decided to speak out after it emerged that Scotland Yard was investigating an unnamed internationally famous rock star who was alleged to have used child pornography on the internet. He said he had always been interested in adult pornography: “I have used it all my life.” However, he said he would never condone the exploitation of children.

For the past two months the police inquiry into the Who star — who conceived the rock operas Tommy and Quadrophenia — has been a closely guarded secret.

Townshend was unaware of it until news of the inquiry leaked yesterday. The probe began when Townshend’s credit card details and e-mail address appeared on a list of 7,200 names passed to the National Criminal Intelligence Service (NCIS) by the US authorities as part of a criminal investigation.

The unit has been investigating 2,000 people on the list in the London area. They have decided to arrest every one of them and had planned to raid Townshend’s home in a few weeks’ time. But they wanted to carry out exhaustive background checks to make sure there had been no mistake.

Senior Scotland Yard officers held an emergency meeting yesterday to discuss their next move. It is thought likely they will want formally to question Townshend. Forensic experts will want to examine the hard disks on his computers.

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Some of the other newspapers are crucyfing him already.

I'll try to get his full statement.

Dave

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#85438 - 01/12/03 10:24 AM Re: Nowhere to run
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PETE TOWNSHEND’S FULL STATEMENT.

I AM not a paedophile. I have never entered chat rooms on the internet to converse with children. I have, to the contrary, been shocked, angry and vocal (especially on my website) about the explosion of advertised paedophilic images on the internet.
I have been writing my childhood autobiography for the past seven years. I believe I was sexually abused between the age of five and six-and-a-half when in the care of my maternal grandmother who was mentally ill at the time.
I cannot remember clearly what happened, but my creative work tends to throw up nasty shadows- particularly in Tommy. Some of the things I have seen on the internet have informed my book which I hope will be published later this year, and which will make clear to the public that if I have any compulsions in this area, they are to face what is happening to young children in the world today and to try to deal openly with my anger and vengeance towards the mentally ill people who find paedophilic pornography attractive.
I predicted many years ago that what has become the internet would be used to subvert, pervert and destroy the lives of decent people. I have felt for a long time that it is part of my duty, knowing what I know, to act as a vigilante to help support organisations like the Internet Watch Foundation, the NSPCC and Scotland Yard to build up a powerful and well-informed voice to speak loudly about the millions of dollars being made by American banks and credit card companies for the pornography industry. That industry deliberately blurs what is legal and illegal, and different countries have different laws and moral values about this. I do not. I do not want child pornography to be available on the internet anywhere at any time.
On one occasion I used a credit card to enter a site advertising child porn. I did this purely to see what was there. I spoke informally to a friend who is a lawyer and reported what I’d seen.
I have enclosed my website article about my friend Jenny who commited suicide because of sexual abuse she suffered as a child. I hope you will be able to see that I am sincerely disturbed by the sexual abuse of children, and I am very active trying to help individuals who have suffered, and to prevent abuse.

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#85439 - 01/13/03 02:22 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Christ this really is a difficult one. I also idiolised all members of the Who. Keith Moon was the main reason I started playing drums. Though I must admit I only heard their songs second hand via my older sister, I'm only 32.

Anyway, Townshend seems to be co-operating with the police, (no not Sting). I desperatly want to believe him but then that may be where the danger lies.

I watched a documentary on Jonathan King. One of his victims claimed that there were MANY members of the 'entertainment' industry who knew of the abuse that he was indulging in. I really feel as though the shit may be starting to hit the fan.

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#85440 - 01/13/03 03:22 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Talking of the Jonathan King documentary "The Secret Life Of Jonathan King".

I was the survivor identified as CD (in the documentary) the original whistle blower.

To track down more info go to http://www.jonronson.com for more details of the King case and an excellent article in The Guardian, entitled the "Fall of a Pop Impresario".

And all that was left was hope.


Archnut \:\)


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#85441 - 01/13/03 03:52 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Townshend has been arrested for but not charged with. Suspicion of possessing indecent images of children, making indecent images of children and incitement to distribute indecent images of children.

I feel sick.

Mark


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#85442 - 01/13/03 03:58 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Thanks Archnut, for being brave enough to report him in the first place. I admire you, it's something I couldn't do myself. Confront my perp I mean. And thanks for that link too.

Us Brits will be taking this site over soon, lol.

Mark


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#85443 - 01/13/03 08:19 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Whatever the reasons or the truth of Townshend's 'visit' to a child porn site two things stand out.
First the sheer stupidity - naievety - or maybe it's arrogance that people believe they can use a credit card to access child porn and not get caught !

Secondly, if he was truly doing 'research' what do you actually need to see ? does actually seeing it make it any more real ?

I saw The Who as a 16 yo fan at Wolverhampton town hall the night before they recorded 'Live at Leed's' and they confirmed my love of live music.
I'd hate to see Townshend guilty of anything more than utter stupidity, I hope that's all it is.

Archnut, what you did was so brave. To challenge a powerful and rich person like king takes guts.
Thank you for doing it.

Dave

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#85444 - 01/13/03 11:19 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Archnut: Thanks for blowing the whistle. The more of us do that, the more coverage our cause gets, the more the darkness is dispelled by the light, the more perps get caught, the fewer men & boys get abused. Very brave of you. I hope King is properly punished & has to make restitution--not that anything could ever repay you or any of his victims for what he has done. WTG fellow survivor!

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#85445 - 01/15/03 02:54 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Thanx Guys

Belive me when i tell you that bravery did not come into it. It was a case of tell or go insane and try to top myself for the third or fourth time. It was easier to talk even though it was thirty years to late. Although we did get two convictions out of the original seven that abused me. I'm still waiting to have my day in court as my accustaions are being kept on file. Hopefully that will end when Denning (ex Radio One DJ) returns to the United Kingdom. He is currently taking a holiday in Europe, whereabouts unknown, that is a frightening thought.

Best wishes

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#85446 - 01/15/03 04:43 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Hey don't sell yourself short Archnut! You're still an inspiration to me. I hope those perps all get caught before they hurt anyone else...

Victor

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#85447 - 01/15/03 08:19 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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And there's another celebrity - a minor one on UK TV - been arrested tonight, Matthew Kelly
Although being a celeb' makes no difference - it's still an evil act.

Dave

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#85448 - 01/16/03 06:23 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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This guy - matthew kelly - is appearing in a pantomime near to where I live.
He's been released on bail - and is innocent until proven guilty I know.

But tonight he's been back on stage and received a standing ovation from the audience, and I cant get my head around that at all.

I also believe that we haven't heard the last of this.

Dave

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#85449 - 01/16/03 07:38 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Dave.

I was alarmed on hearing that Kelly was aplauded on to stage. I know we shouldn't judge him for crimes he hasn't been charged or found guilty of, but for christ's sake he was appearing in a pantomime, a show for kids!!! I fear that the public may find it easier to forgive celebrities for their crimes.

Archnut.

I still think what you done was AMAZING AMAZING . I hope you get your day in court, I hope it's soon and then hopefully another sick individual will be locked away.

Mark


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#85450 - 01/17/03 03:24 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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One thing we have to remember where paedophiles are concerned.

They are ACE manipulators. I have seen whole groups of boys (safety in numbers...how i wish that was true) groomed and approached at a later date.

I have yet to meet a "dirty old man" stereotype peadophile. The ones that i have known are charasmatic, intelligent, understanding and caring thats how i stayed trapped for so long. \:\(

And all that was left was hope

Take care all

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#85451 - 01/17/03 04:36 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Thanks for bringing up that great point, Kirk.

One of the big problems with stereotypes is that they blind us to the truth, then we get trapped in lies.

I'm sure all cunning perps are aware of the stereotypes & do all they can do avoid them. Thus they deceive & destroy.

But the truth will make us free.

Victor

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#85452 - 01/17/03 06:40 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Just to affirm Kirks point.

A paeodophile babysitter has been jailed for 15 years after admitting 24 charges, including raping a 4 year old girl.

Mark Tann 29, also showed a 9 year old girl he looked after a pornographic video. The court heard that he raised funds for local charities in a bid to raise parents' trust.

But at the same time he was seeking to trade in child porn on the net and giving advice on "grooming" children for sex.

Neighbours expressed their amazement and shock that such a caring member of society was in fact a peodophile.

In my opinion this highlights the danger of vigilantee action too. I think it was last year that an innocent man with the same name as a convicted peodophile was attacked. One of the gang justified their actions because he 'looked' like a peodophile.

What does a peodophile look like?

What does an abuser look like full stop?

My perp would have seemed like a caring conscientious nurse. He worked copious ammounts of overtime, he visited patients when he wasn't working and he never took part in the strike which was happening at the time.

All the time he was abusing/raping me. I doubt I was his only victim either, but I can't think about that.

Mark


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#85453 - 01/17/03 11:23 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Mark:

You make a good point about the dangers of vigilante action. And if there's anything I'd be tempted to form a personal vigilante committee for
hunting down perpetrators of SA against children & "bringing them to justice" is it. Especially knowing how often justice seems not to be done thru legal channels.

Yet as flawed as our "criminal injustice system" is (and I imagine this is true whether in England or the USA or elsewhere), its better than anybody & everybody trying to take the law into their own hands.

At least I know I don't want to be responsible for taking the law into my own hands, especially if I were to mess up.

Do I want perps brot to justice. Oh yeah! But I wanna be sure it is the perps, and I wanna be sure what they are brot to is justice. As much as possible.

Whew! I'm a ramblin man!

Victor

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#85454 - 01/18/03 09:33 AM Re: Nowhere to run
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Victor.

I couldn't agree with you more.

It seems as if the justice system world wide is at fault. You only have to look at the suspects rounded up through operation ore, a U.S. led crack down on peodophiles to realise that half the problem is the number of Police, Judges etc that are on the list.

Christ it is temting to take the law into your own hands, but I don't believe it is desirable. Though when you see the likes of Glitter etc being released after a few months/years in prison????

Thanks for listening to my ramblings too.

Mark


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#85455 - 01/19/03 08:49 AM Re: Nowhere to run
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Thought you may like to be updated via The Times. Its opened a rather large can of worms has Operation Arundel


Pop stars targeted in child sex probe



SEVERAL pop music celebrities are at the centre of an investigation into suspected paedophiles, according to leaked documents from the National Criminal Intelligence Service (NCIS), writes Robert Winnett.
Jonathan King, the former DJ and music producer, was jailed for offences against children in the same inquiry, codenamed Operation Arundel. Last week Matthew Kelly, an ITV presenter, and Tam Paton, former manager of the Bay City Rollers, were arrested by the Arundel team. Both deny any sexual offence and were later released on bail. Paton was rearrested on drugs charges.

The inquiry, conducted by Surrey police, is focusing on celebrities and other men who went to the Walton Hop, a disco in Walton-on-Thames in the 1970s. King, serving a seven-year sentence after his conviction in 2001, was a regular at the club, which attracted up to 3,000 children and adults aged 13-21 every week. Many other showbusiness personalities were regular visitors.

One DJ at the Hop, Robert Randall, was convicted of assaulting an underage boy last year. Police documents claim that “pop stars” were “also involved in the abuse” involving Randall. He refused to comment on the allegations.

Deniz Corday, former owner of the Hop, who is named in the police report, admitted yesterday he was aware that paedophiles targeted his club. He said he knew of several famous people who had abused children and were still at large. Corday said: “I saw one of them on television the other night. I have seen the actor often in films.”

Corday also claimed one of the country's most famous musicians was a paedophile.


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#85456 - 01/19/03 01:47 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Well, now that the can of worms is being opened and the worms poured out, let's see what the criminal injustice system is going to do about it...

Victor

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#85457 - 01/19/03 03:53 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Hi again apologies i should have signed the previous before last message.

Thought you would like to read a prime worms most recent rant

JONATHAN KING (FF8782) HMP MAIDSTONE, Country Road, KENT ME14 1UZ 1) It's really quite understandable why men and women get institutionalized. The existence of being told what to do, and when, is enormously relaxing. Everything is taken care of-you have somewhere warm to sleep, food is provided, healthcare, if you're sick, a schedule for going to sleep and waking up…after a lifetime of grind and graft, earning every penny, having to motivate and originate your activities, the contrast of letting someone else do it for you is fabulous. Passive, peaceful obedience is a delight after a lifetime of positive, dominant self motivation. And it's nice to know that finally, the taxes you paid throughout your life are being used for your benefit. Around ₤50,000, a year is devoted to your care and well being. For each prisoner. 2) Out there is getting worse. Lunatics are running the world. Even madder ones are commenting on it and trying to ruin it. The legal and judicial system is genuinely corrupt and inefficient- I don't think you really appreciate that until it's happened to you. Seriously-half the people locked up in prison should not be here. With that kind of insanity, and with the infrastructure collapsing (traffic, petty crime, hospitals, wars, strikes…), it's far safer in here. Society in Britain prefers to spend ₤50,000 a year keeping an innocent man locked up rather than hiring four nurses to tend to the sick. Or two junior doctors. What more need I say? 3) Prison is a fantastic place for quiet contemplation and self analysis. Very rarely, in the hysteria of normal life, do we get the chance to sit and think. I've found the most enormous opportunity to improve my character. To increase tolerance, patience, thoughtfulness and unselfishness. 4) Kindness to others. There are many truly interesting men locked up, ranging from the genuinely innocent to those suffering from police and CPS exaggeration (the majority) to the genuinely guilty, but nearly all are human beings, needing kindness and understanding and all have incredible tales to tell. From their own childhoods to their experiences in life, you could not wish, as an observer of the human condition, for a better collection of individuals to study and examine. 5) Reading. In my first five months in Belmarsh, I read 65 novels, the best of which was Philip Pullman's “Dark Materials” (I tipped off a friend, a man convicted of murder and sentenced to life that Pullman's “Amber Spyglass” would win the Whitbread prize-he got his wife to put ₤100 on it at 7-1 and won ₤700-I became the hero of the prison). Good old Charles Dickens got read again and again. I've even read Prisoner FF8282 (not 8782)'s Prison Diary (not as good as my own!). Outside? No chance except on holiday. And another positive-ideas. Wait "til you see what I've come up with! 6) I don't want to be part of the public. Well I mean only the tiny minority of the public prepared to believe everything they read in the tabloids and condemn others without any reason. Those appalling bigots who spit bile and spite. Those morons who went on and on about keeping Myra Hindley locked up forever. I've always believed in karma. It comes back – the poison you shoot at others. Every single person who rants on about other people will suffer through bad karma. From terminal cancer to false allegations to fatal diseases. And can you imagine the acid eating away at those bearing grudges. Innocent man? Several of those who made up allegations about me (most of whom found themselves proved liars in a court of law-remember the vast majority of false allegations against me were either thrown out or abandoned or I was acquitted) must be having very sleepless nights as the truth gnaws away at their insides. As for the innocent “middle men”, those agents who arrange for liars to sell their stories to editors who are happy to print them, oh dear, oh dear. I think they are the worst of the lot and I fear they will suffer greatly in the future. Double karma for the Silver Stoat. 7) Protection. You're kept away from those immoral idiots when Her Majesty takes care of you. 8) Friendship. Hundreds of cards, letters and visits have shown me how lucky I am with my friends, family and loved ones. Talk about a baptism of fire. If they stick with you through this, they're true. 9) Strangers – again, the quantity of sweet, concerned mail from total strangers has been awesome. 10) Other people. Inmates make up a variety, and some are terrific people. Likewise the staff – many decent, fine human beings. They try to make it bearable. So…you can't go to the shops or the movies or get stuck in traffic. Who cares? It makes a nice change. And as somebody once sang, no-one can take my freedom away. Have a lovely Xmas and a superb New Year. I certainly will. Love, JK (Jonathan King)

This garbage is published by his brother on Kings Personal website which is actively engaged in a PR exercise \:\(

Take care all

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#85458 - 01/21/03 03:54 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Thanks for reminding me what a sick waste of space this evil man is Kirk.

So much of what he said it that extract was not only self indulgent but contracdictory. He said and I quote "Every single person who rants on about other people will suffer through bad karma. From terminal cancer to false allegations to fatal diseases". If he really believes in karma and that he is innocent, then what did he do to warrent false allegations to be bought against him?

I do worry about the show biz world in general. Today we have a list of personnalities supporting Kelly. Is it as Kirk said in a previous post that peodaphiles are ACE manipulator? I know he isn't guilty of anything yet but should his word be enough for his friends? Should they blindly support him? Or should it be a case of the children comes first, let due process happen, keep him well away from children and appologise if he is found to be innocent.

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#85459 - 01/21/03 08:59 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Several of those who made up allegations about me (most of whom found themselves proved liars in a court of law-remember the vast majority of false allegations against me were either thrown out or abandoned or I was acquitted) must be having very sleepless nights as the truth gnaws away at their insides.
Sleep well Kirk.

Dave

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#85460 - 01/24/03 06:45 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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jonathan king's appeal has been REFUSED, he's back in jail where he belongs.

Rest easy Kirk.

Dave

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#85461 - 02/23/03 07:11 AM Re: Nowhere to run
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The latest chapter in this never ending saga. I only hope they dont kill him. I want King to experience that feeling of total pure fear.
This has been taken from one of the tabloids here in the UK. The People:


CHILD SEX PERV KING BEATEN UP IN PRISON

CHILD sex pervert Jonathan King is being transferred to another jail after being repeatedly beaten up by fellow inmates, The People can reveal.

The former music mogul and TV presenter has been attacked on successive days and there are fears he could end up DEAD.

A source said: "Staff only realised King was being beaten when they spotted him limping one day.

"His attackers were smart enough not to hit him above the neck. They didn't want any bruises to be noticed.

"A few guys wanted to make King pay. They don't care if they kill him. They view him as pure filth."

The governor at Elmley Prison on the Isle of Sheppey in Kent ordered his transfer after a crisis meeting.

The one-time pop singer, 58 - serving seven years for offences against schoolboys lured by his celebrity status - had just settled at Elmley after being moved from nearby Maidstone last month.

On an Internet website he runs from prison, he said: "Elmley is much the same as Maidstone - prison is prison, after all." King, who has never shown regret for his revolting crimes, failed to mention he was being targeted by inmates sickened because he is a "nonce" - slang for paedophile.

King, convicted 15 months ago, is to be switched to Lewes prison in East Sussex which has a special wing for "vulnerable inmates". But the Victorian jail is no holiday camp.

Our insider added: "The place is an absolute hellhole."

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He will be glad that there is such a thing called hope.

And all that was left was hope \:\)

Archnut


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#85462 - 02/23/03 06:27 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Kirk
I suspect there are people who can't be changed by prison, being loathed or being beaten.
I think king is one of them, he'll always be a nonce.

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#85463 - 02/23/03 07:59 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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I cannot help but feel that this asshole gets everything he deserves. I dont want the dipshit killed either. Just turn him loose in the general population with the understanding with other prisoners that they will keep him alive but they are free to give him what he gave others. Reduce the f**ker to a receptical and that is all. Let him live out his life that way.
God I get excited just thinking about it. There are time when vengance is mine sayeth the lord. Instead vengeance is ours and for all those people that he used and abused.

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#85464 - 02/24/03 04:25 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Hi all

With regard my last posting Re; Mr. King \:\(

Apparently this is a total pack of lies as told by The Sunday People. It does not surprise me as it was The Sunday People who reported (after the conviction of King) that they had seen a 700 page dossier with regard to a paedophile ring that King was invovled with.

This is not the case as I was told (the following day) by the main investigating officer that the "report/dossier" had not even been written at the time and it was news to the investigating officer.

Dont the tabloids realise the damage they are doing by going around telling a lot of ficticious stories?

My head is in bits after reading the following post by King at his website:

response re: The People
Author: JK, Feb/24/2003 13:33:39

Further rubbish in the people today (Sunday) (poor souls - they only have half a dozen staff so they need to make up their stories) - for those interested in reality, I have not been so badly beaten up that I'm walking with a limp. In fact I've not been beaten up at all. I'm still happily at HMP Elmley. Please feel free to write to me here and why not drop a line to whoever is the current editor of the People asking why they print such rubbish.

And all that was left was hope \:\)

Archnut

PS. I know I shouldnt go to his site but to say I am obsessed with all of my abusers is an understatement as there are some still walking the streets of the UK and others in Europe :p


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#85465 - 02/24/03 10:41 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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If I am committ a crime I would expect that I would not be given a computer to go on the internet yet. Someone seems asleep at the switch there.

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#85466 - 02/25/03 07:18 AM Re: Nowhere to run
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And the next one! :rolleyes:


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Author: JK, Feb/24/2003 22:31:48

JK HMP Elmley Contact address: l Wyndham Yard, London WlH 2QF Was it just a coincidence that all the publicity linking me with Matthew Kelly exploded a week before my appeal was due to be heard? Would it not have been fairer to him to have interviewed me, and discovered I'd never met him, before they arrested him?

And could observers please remember that I am as innocent as he is of the false allegations which were made against me? I failed to prove I didn't do something decades ago and, for that reason, I am in prison.

Clever of the police to muddy the waters before the appeal judges realised the truth. But I'm glad I have helped expose the allegations against him as lies and I am sure we all hope that the accuser is brought to court and charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice - or is that not a crime these days?

Jonathan King

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And all that was left was hope \:\)

Archnut (hanging in there \:D )


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#85467 - 02/25/03 07:47 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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And there's another celebrity - a minor one on UK TV - been arrested tonight, Matthew Kelly
Kelly has been released without charge.

Dave

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#85468 - 03/05/03 04:09 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Some good news from the UK and three more rants
Taken from the BBC News website 03/05/03

Move to curb sex trade travel

The victims are usually teenage girls
Legal powers are being introduced by the government to ban travel abroad by paedophiles for "sex tourism".

Courts will now be able to prevent people convicted of sexual abuse from visiting specified countries - such as Thailand - where they could be a risk to children.

The court orders would follow a request from police to stop the offender going overseas.

The government is also considering tightening existing rules on paedophiles having to notify the authorities when they intend to travel abroad.

Abuse

Home Office minister Hilary Benn said: "The UK already has some of the toughest measures in the world to deal with sex offenders.

"However, under current legislation the courts do not have the power to stop an offender who has been convicted of sexual offences against children from travelling abroad to abuse children.

The Sexual Offences Bill provides us with an opportunity to ensure we are doing everything we can to deal with those who commit sexual offences abroad


"We believe this is wrong and that it should be addressed."

The Home Office's new Sexual Offences Bill places a strong emphasis on protecting children from paedophiles and will require people who have committed sex offences abroad to go on the sex offenders register when they come to Britain.

Mr Benn said the Sexual Offences Bill gives the government a chance to do "everything we can to deal with those who commit sexual offences abroad".

Conditions

The new travel ban will last six months, with the possibility of renewal.

Police can specify groups of countries on the order if they think a paedophile is planning a sex tour of several countries, said a Home Office spokeswoman.

It would also be possible to ban travel to an area as wide as a continent, such as Asia, she said.

The order can also extend beyond countries known for sex tourism to other destinations where police believe a paedophile is likely to abuse children, she added.

Three conditions would need to be met before an order could be made.

The orders would be effective on a person previously convicted of a sexual offence against a child under 16 either in the UK or abroad.

Advance notification

The court must be satisfied, from the offender's behaviour since the original offence, that a foreign travel banning order is necessary to protect children outside the UK from "serious sexual harm".

It would have to be used in situations where there are no alternative measures that could be used as effectively.

The new measure will be included as an amendment to the Sex Offences Bill.

Ministers are also due to stage a consultation exercise on strengthening the rules on foreign travel for paedophiles.

They will review how far in advance offenders should have to notify police of their travel plans - currently eight days.

They will also ask if offenders should have to give police more information of their travel plans, and will review arrangements for passing details about offenders between countries.

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Now for the rantings of a sex offender

#1

SO THE POOR OLD TABLOIDS STAGGER ON....
Author: JK, Mar/5/2003 02:41:22

Is it any surprise that circulation is dropping and the sad People is (reportedly) up for sale to the knackers? The writing is SO bad and the ideas are SO unoriginal - every few weeks there's another tired story, based on previous fictions, badly re-written. This week ALEXANDER HITCHEN, who, unfortunately for him, failed to jump ship to the News of the World, unlike his predecessor LUCY PANTON and ex-editor NEIL WALLIS, regurgitated the old "beaten up" concept and ran a People EXCLUSIVE that was, yet again, complete rubbish. Do you know, I've never even been verbally abused in almost l8 months of the prison experience, and certainly not slapped, nudged, beaten or bruised. The staff and officers are very efficient. The inmates are generally a far better crowd, morally, than the bunch I was mixing with before I came in (the media). As I've said before, the pressure of Prison life tends to make prisoners MORE tolerant and LESS aggressive. Unlike journalists. But the key thing to remember is - the fastest growing area of crime is SEX OFFENDERS. This is NOT because we've become a nation of perverts but because the ludicrous laws enable the police and CPS to gain convictions on no proof or evidence at all. So British jails are JAMMED with sex offenders. One key officer told me that, having seen the conviction sheets, prisoners on THE MAIN are 62% sex offenders (a reality the inmates try hard to keep concealed). Virtually every prison has a large VP (vulnerable prisoner) unit and they are getting bigger and bigger. So the tabloid "NONCE" agression is a load of old rubbish. As is sad old ALEX'S regurgitation of the "KING BEATEN UP IN BELMARSH" of a few months ago. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

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#2
IF WE GO TO WAR, PRISONERS MUST BE FREED
Author: JK, Mar/5/2003 02:43:41

Could any HUMAN RIGHTS experts reading this message (and I gather we are now getting over l0,000 visits a day on KING OF HITS.COM) consider this theory and let us know whether it stands up? It is surely a serious breach of human rights for a government to hold someone against their will, when they have put lives in danger by declaring war on another territory. If we basically do not agree with the policy, we are entitled to leave the country. All citizens must be allowed to express their choice of either staying, and risking death, or moving to another country, where lives are NOT at risk. I don't believe, since the UK signed up for the human rights contract, there has been a war to test this situation but, if one is now declared, it is, surely, a fundamental human right to choose. And that applies to prisoners as much as to free citizens. Over to you, Blunkett.

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and finally #3

BITS!
Author: JK, Mar/5/2003 02:45:18

JOHN MAJOR came across so well on FROST, I wouldn't be surprised to see him as the NEXT Tory leader..... I'd be willing to pay £l million for Paul McCartney NOT to play at my birthday bash!......Gareth doing Spirit in the Sky is AWFUL.....Roman Polanski gets Best Director and Best Film - I got seven years.....the amazing thing about JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE is the question - why are the American pop stars SO much better rehearsed and classy than our home grown ones?

A Note from Archnut
If i am upsetting anyone by continuously posting these rants pleas let me know, but i feel that as the most well known of my group of abusers i want his name to be kept in the frame. This maybe is misguided of me, but i feel i want as many people to read this crap and remember just who Jonathan King, Chris Denning and Rob Randall are

They are ALL predatory paedophiles all with convictions but we are still after a few more.

If anyone from WALTON ON THAMES, SURREY reads this please inform Deniz Corday that he is far from forgotten.

Deniz corday is the former owner of the Walton Hop teen disco during the time of the visits by King and Denning, Randall was a DJ there as were both King and Denning

And all that was left was hope

Archnut


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#85469 - 03/06/03 03:17 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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From The BBC News website:

Cardinal row over abuse claim

The leader of Roman Catholics in England and Wales says a "filing error" led to him to fail to pass on details of a priest accused of child abuse to an independent investigation.

Letters seen by BBC Radio 4's Today programme show that in 1993 Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor was informed about allegations a priest had sexually abused a young girl over a four year period.

But he failed to send the details to an independent solicitor as he had promised he had done in "every" such case.

The cardinal, who is Archbishop of Westminster, told Today he had "forgotten" about the case which allegedly involved a 12 year old.

I felt desolate - I felt like no-one would believe me

Alleged child abuse victim

Last December, he said that he had sent the files on 10 cases brought to his attention when was Bishop of Arundel and Brighton.

"I was concerned to see that every case where allegations had been made was assessed by a professional," he said.

On Thursday, he told the BBC he had acted "properly and professionally".

"In good faith I said there were 10. But I didn't remember this one."

The girl involved, who claims the abuse continued until she was in her late teens, says the church made her feel like a "12-year-old whore".

"I felt desolate. I felt like no-one would believe me, no-one would help me," she said.

Priest is still working

She was able to show the BBC letters sent by her own priest to Cardinal Murphy O'Connor outlining her accusations and a letter from the cardinal to her.

The cardinal said the priest was investigated at the time and social services and the police decided not to take the allegations further.

He said the priest, who is still working in a church attached to a school, was assessed by a psychologist and "the conclusion was he was not a risk to children".

BBC correspondent Angus Stickler met the priest and put the allegations to him.

He admitted he had "fondled" the girl but thought it was when she was above the age of consent.

The church admits that it cannot account for its copies of the confidential letters produced by the alleged victim and the cardinal said this was "frustrating".

"It is one of my sorrows that any failings in the system seem to indicate the Catholic Church does not care about child abuse - this is not the case," he added.

The archbishop is the spiritual leader in England and Wales for more than four million Catholics.

He was made a cardinal by the Pope in February 2001.


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#85470 - 03/06/03 07:50 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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I can't imagine how you begin to deal with this unrepentant turd, jk's arrogance is enough to send me into orbit.

Good group the other day eh ? B's a good guy as well, not all he seems at times that's for sure.
He got a lot out of it and is keen to come again, as I am.

I get a hell of a lot out of the face to face stuff, so much power there.

'later
Dave

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#85471 - 03/15/03 03:49 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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And the next one please:

"SO WHY DOES THE MEDIA INSIST ON FABRICATING HORROR STORIES ABOUT MY LIFE
Author: JK, Mar/15/2003 01:08:56


Well, I've been thinking about this and I've decided that, whilst a small part is the normal demonisation of a celebrity, that we all love witnessing, and another small part is the automatic, regular response of lazy department editors ("Do something on KING; we haven't covered him for weeks") followed by basic journalistic incompetence ("beaten up....or prison romance...or business ring....or special treatment...or suicide bid") which merely involves "writing by numbers", the largest reason is simpler. Society hates the idea of prison being a perfectly acceptable life style. Clearly, if criminals start realising that life inside is perfectly bearable, the discouragement effect will shrink. So - whilst it's a natural right wing impulse to construct the odd "prison is luxury" piece, the true reality, that it's dull but bearable, is never covered and it's much better to try to paint a picture of grief and danger so as to deter other potential criminals. And who better to do it with than a celebrity? The advent of the internet and websites enables prisoners to update their daily life with regular reports and, just like in all other aspects, society hasn't learned how to adapt to the impact of the new technology. I know from readers that my site is acquiring enormous cult status. Over l0,000 people a day log on and visit - reading the true words of someone who has been locked up by the UK forces of law and order. Unfairly, I believe and, more than that, foolishly. The police and legal bodies were not prepared for the impact of the truth on a carefully constructed false allegation such as happened to poor Matthew Kelly. I only wish there had been an equivalent KING OF HITS site to carry the instant and immediate denial that I made after the saturation negative publicity, which lead to the abandonment of the charges against Kelly, when I was similarly set up in November 2000 with fictional accusations. A loud, public denial by others might have helped defuse the absurd case against me too. Some people in prison are innocent. But the vast majority are partially guilty (who hasn't got the odd skeleton in the closet?) but essentially decent. Their words, opinions and evidence have, in the past, been ignored. The police like that, as hearing their words might well indict the officers themselves (it's not just the publicised secrets you learn about individual cops - in prison you discover they are a pretty corrupt lot, as close to criminal mentalities as you can get). I predict that this decade will witness an explosion of prison based websites. Meanwhile, I continue to reveal that British jails are essentially boring but efficient places. Most prison officers are decent men and women, trying hard to do an underappreciated job as fairly as possible. Most inmates are very interesting and many are intelligent and nice. It's a fascinating world here. Don't believe the horror stories. JK"

And all that was left was hope \:\)

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#85472 - 03/15/03 07:50 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Let's take away the TV's, the pool tables, the computers, radios and all the expensive gym' equipment. If they want to keep fit - make them break rocks.

Then let jk spout crap about how good life is.

Dave

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