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#85448 - 01/16/03 06:23 PM Re: Nowhere to run
Lloydy Offline
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This guy - matthew kelly - is appearing in a pantomime near to where I live.
He's been released on bail - and is innocent until proven guilty I know.

But tonight he's been back on stage and received a standing ovation from the audience, and I cant get my head around that at all.

I also believe that we haven't heard the last of this.

Dave

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#85449 - 01/16/03 07:38 PM Re: Nowhere to run
Mark S Offline
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Registered: 08/25/02
Posts: 130
Loc: England
Dave.

I was alarmed on hearing that Kelly was aplauded on to stage. I know we shouldn't judge him for crimes he hasn't been charged or found guilty of, but for christ's sake he was appearing in a pantomime, a show for kids!!! I fear that the public may find it easier to forgive celebrities for their crimes.

Archnut.

I still think what you done was AMAZING AMAZING . I hope you get your day in court, I hope it's soon and then hopefully another sick individual will be locked away.

Mark


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#85450 - 01/17/03 03:24 PM Re: Nowhere to run
Archnut Offline
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Registered: 10/26/02
Posts: 343
Loc: United Kingdom
One thing we have to remember where paedophiles are concerned.

They are ACE manipulators. I have seen whole groups of boys (safety in numbers...how i wish that was true) groomed and approached at a later date.

I have yet to meet a "dirty old man" stereotype peadophile. The ones that i have known are charasmatic, intelligent, understanding and caring thats how i stayed trapped for so long. \:\(

And all that was left was hope

Take care all

Kirk


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#85451 - 01/17/03 04:36 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Thanks for bringing up that great point, Kirk.

One of the big problems with stereotypes is that they blind us to the truth, then we get trapped in lies.

I'm sure all cunning perps are aware of the stereotypes & do all they can do avoid them. Thus they deceive & destroy.

But the truth will make us free.

Victor

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#85452 - 01/17/03 06:40 PM Re: Nowhere to run
Mark S Offline
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Loc: England
Just to affirm Kirks point.

A paeodophile babysitter has been jailed for 15 years after admitting 24 charges, including raping a 4 year old girl.

Mark Tann 29, also showed a 9 year old girl he looked after a pornographic video. The court heard that he raised funds for local charities in a bid to raise parents' trust.

But at the same time he was seeking to trade in child porn on the net and giving advice on "grooming" children for sex.

Neighbours expressed their amazement and shock that such a caring member of society was in fact a peodophile.

In my opinion this highlights the danger of vigilantee action too. I think it was last year that an innocent man with the same name as a convicted peodophile was attacked. One of the gang justified their actions because he 'looked' like a peodophile.

What does a peodophile look like?

What does an abuser look like full stop?

My perp would have seemed like a caring conscientious nurse. He worked copious ammounts of overtime, he visited patients when he wasn't working and he never took part in the strike which was happening at the time.

All the time he was abusing/raping me. I doubt I was his only victim either, but I can't think about that.

Mark


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#85453 - 01/17/03 11:23 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Mark:

You make a good point about the dangers of vigilante action. And if there's anything I'd be tempted to form a personal vigilante committee for
hunting down perpetrators of SA against children & "bringing them to justice" is it. Especially knowing how often justice seems not to be done thru legal channels.

Yet as flawed as our "criminal injustice system" is (and I imagine this is true whether in England or the USA or elsewhere), its better than anybody & everybody trying to take the law into their own hands.

At least I know I don't want to be responsible for taking the law into my own hands, especially if I were to mess up.

Do I want perps brot to justice. Oh yeah! But I wanna be sure it is the perps, and I wanna be sure what they are brot to is justice. As much as possible.

Whew! I'm a ramblin man!

Victor

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#85454 - 01/18/03 09:33 AM Re: Nowhere to run
Mark S Offline
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Loc: England
Victor.

I couldn't agree with you more.

It seems as if the justice system world wide is at fault. You only have to look at the suspects rounded up through operation ore, a U.S. led crack down on peodophiles to realise that half the problem is the number of Police, Judges etc that are on the list.

Christ it is temting to take the law into your own hands, but I don't believe it is desirable. Though when you see the likes of Glitter etc being released after a few months/years in prison????

Thanks for listening to my ramblings too.

Mark


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#85455 - 01/19/03 08:49 AM Re: Nowhere to run
Archnut Offline
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Thought you may like to be updated via The Times. Its opened a rather large can of worms has Operation Arundel


Pop stars targeted in child sex probe



SEVERAL pop music celebrities are at the centre of an investigation into suspected paedophiles, according to leaked documents from the National Criminal Intelligence Service (NCIS), writes Robert Winnett.
Jonathan King, the former DJ and music producer, was jailed for offences against children in the same inquiry, codenamed Operation Arundel. Last week Matthew Kelly, an ITV presenter, and Tam Paton, former manager of the Bay City Rollers, were arrested by the Arundel team. Both deny any sexual offence and were later released on bail. Paton was rearrested on drugs charges.

The inquiry, conducted by Surrey police, is focusing on celebrities and other men who went to the Walton Hop, a disco in Walton-on-Thames in the 1970s. King, serving a seven-year sentence after his conviction in 2001, was a regular at the club, which attracted up to 3,000 children and adults aged 13-21 every week. Many other showbusiness personalities were regular visitors.

One DJ at the Hop, Robert Randall, was convicted of assaulting an underage boy last year. Police documents claim that “pop stars” were “also involved in the abuse” involving Randall. He refused to comment on the allegations.

Deniz Corday, former owner of the Hop, who is named in the police report, admitted yesterday he was aware that paedophiles targeted his club. He said he knew of several famous people who had abused children and were still at large. Corday said: “I saw one of them on television the other night. I have seen the actor often in films.”

Corday also claimed one of the country's most famous musicians was a paedophile.


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#85456 - 01/19/03 01:47 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Well, now that the can of worms is being opened and the worms poured out, let's see what the criminal injustice system is going to do about it...

Victor

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#85457 - 01/19/03 03:53 PM Re: Nowhere to run
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Hi again apologies i should have signed the previous before last message.

Thought you would like to read a prime worms most recent rant

JONATHAN KING (FF8782) HMP MAIDSTONE, Country Road, KENT ME14 1UZ 1) It's really quite understandable why men and women get institutionalized. The existence of being told what to do, and when, is enormously relaxing. Everything is taken care of-you have somewhere warm to sleep, food is provided, healthcare, if you're sick, a schedule for going to sleep and waking up…after a lifetime of grind and graft, earning every penny, having to motivate and originate your activities, the contrast of letting someone else do it for you is fabulous. Passive, peaceful obedience is a delight after a lifetime of positive, dominant self motivation. And it's nice to know that finally, the taxes you paid throughout your life are being used for your benefit. Around ₤50,000, a year is devoted to your care and well being. For each prisoner. 2) Out there is getting worse. Lunatics are running the world. Even madder ones are commenting on it and trying to ruin it. The legal and judicial system is genuinely corrupt and inefficient- I don't think you really appreciate that until it's happened to you. Seriously-half the people locked up in prison should not be here. With that kind of insanity, and with the infrastructure collapsing (traffic, petty crime, hospitals, wars, strikes…), it's far safer in here. Society in Britain prefers to spend ₤50,000 a year keeping an innocent man locked up rather than hiring four nurses to tend to the sick. Or two junior doctors. What more need I say? 3) Prison is a fantastic place for quiet contemplation and self analysis. Very rarely, in the hysteria of normal life, do we get the chance to sit and think. I've found the most enormous opportunity to improve my character. To increase tolerance, patience, thoughtfulness and unselfishness. 4) Kindness to others. There are many truly interesting men locked up, ranging from the genuinely innocent to those suffering from police and CPS exaggeration (the majority) to the genuinely guilty, but nearly all are human beings, needing kindness and understanding and all have incredible tales to tell. From their own childhoods to their experiences in life, you could not wish, as an observer of the human condition, for a better collection of individuals to study and examine. 5) Reading. In my first five months in Belmarsh, I read 65 novels, the best of which was Philip Pullman's “Dark Materials” (I tipped off a friend, a man convicted of murder and sentenced to life that Pullman's “Amber Spyglass” would win the Whitbread prize-he got his wife to put ₤100 on it at 7-1 and won ₤700-I became the hero of the prison). Good old Charles Dickens got read again and again. I've even read Prisoner FF8282 (not 8782)'s Prison Diary (not as good as my own!). Outside? No chance except on holiday. And another positive-ideas. Wait "til you see what I've come up with! 6) I don't want to be part of the public. Well I mean only the tiny minority of the public prepared to believe everything they read in the tabloids and condemn others without any reason. Those appalling bigots who spit bile and spite. Those morons who went on and on about keeping Myra Hindley locked up forever. I've always believed in karma. It comes back – the poison you shoot at others. Every single person who rants on about other people will suffer through bad karma. From terminal cancer to false allegations to fatal diseases. And can you imagine the acid eating away at those bearing grudges. Innocent man? Several of those who made up allegations about me (most of whom found themselves proved liars in a court of law-remember the vast majority of false allegations against me were either thrown out or abandoned or I was acquitted) must be having very sleepless nights as the truth gnaws away at their insides. As for the innocent “middle men”, those agents who arrange for liars to sell their stories to editors who are happy to print them, oh dear, oh dear. I think they are the worst of the lot and I fear they will suffer greatly in the future. Double karma for the Silver Stoat. 7) Protection. You're kept away from those immoral idiots when Her Majesty takes care of you. 8) Friendship. Hundreds of cards, letters and visits have shown me how lucky I am with my friends, family and loved ones. Talk about a baptism of fire. If they stick with you through this, they're true. 9) Strangers – again, the quantity of sweet, concerned mail from total strangers has been awesome. 10) Other people. Inmates make up a variety, and some are terrific people. Likewise the staff – many decent, fine human beings. They try to make it bearable. So…you can't go to the shops or the movies or get stuck in traffic. Who cares? It makes a nice change. And as somebody once sang, no-one can take my freedom away. Have a lovely Xmas and a superb New Year. I certainly will. Love, JK (Jonathan King)

This garbage is published by his brother on Kings Personal website which is actively engaged in a PR exercise \:\(

Take care all

Archnut


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