Newest Members
Anony_mous, Drew6991x, Miro, jj843, The Abyss
12364 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
Bear (42), BoyNoMore (56), Daniel_05 (40), James Landrith (44), john kay (41)
Who's Online
1 registered (kcinohio), 20 Guests and 4 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
12364 Members
74 Forums
63541 Topics
443951 Posts

Max Online: 418 @ 07/02/12 07:29 AM
Twitter
Topic Options
#85369 - 07/09/02 08:13 PM The evil web.
Lloydy Offline
Administrator Emeritus
MaleSurvivor
Registered: 04/17/02
Posts: 7071
Loc: England Shropshire
This article appeared in the British edition of the Sunday Times, July 2002.
SEX PEST FEAR OVER 'CAMGIRL' WEBSITES
Journalist. David Brown

Quote:

DETECTIVES are investigating websites created by teenage girls following fears that paedophiles are using them to target children.
The girls are following an American craze by creating personalised sites that ask for strangers to send them presents.

The “camgirl” sites provide links to shopping sites where girls leave a list of desired presents. In return they offer their own gifts, often intimate photographs of themselves.

British girls as young as 14 have set up sites after rumours spread in schools and internet chat rooms about the expensive gifts received by some adolescents.

The websites tend to be linked to shopping sites that offer clothing, lingerie, electrical items and cosmetics.

Police believe that Christina Lamb, 13, from Connecticut, was killed in May by a man she met via the internet.

Detectives in America believe that the sites are designed primarily to attract middle-aged men.

One website used by the girls to draw up their wish-lists has suspended about 100 accounts linked to the camgirl sites, including some from Britain. The company, Felicite, des-cribed the camgirl sites as “DIY pornography”.

Some pornographic websites also pay girls who provide links to their personal pages, which can earn them hundreds of pounds. Last night one pornographic site investigated by The Sunday Times had links to more than 200 camgirl sites.

Britain’s National Hi-Tech Crime Unit (Nhtcu) said the sites were a “very worrying trend”, which paedophiles would probably be aware of.

It wants “a more accurate picture” of the spread of the sites as part of its operations to target paedophiles.

The girls believe they are safe because their sites and wish-lists do not reveal their real names and addresses. In fact their personal details can be found relatively easily.

Police already know that the internet is a popular method for paedophiles to contact children and to groom them for abuse.

Last week the Nhtcu helped crack an international paedophile ring called the Shadowz Brotherhood, which had members based in Europe, Asia, Australia, America and Canada. Six British men were arrested, including one of the alleged ringleaders.

The network used sophisticated encryption techniques in an attempt to obscure its activities and operated its own “vigilance patrols” on the internet in an attempt to identify police officers.

Detective Chief Superintendent Len Hynds, head of the unit, described the Brotherhood as “a group of very sophisticated high-tech paedophiles. They had levels of technical expertise we have not seen before”.
Copyright 2002 Times Newspapers Ltd.

_________________________
Go confidently in the direction of your dreams! Live the life you've imagined. As you simplify your life, the laws of the universe will be simpler.
Henry David Thoreau

Top
#85370 - 07/10/02 10:49 AM Re: The evil web.
integrator Offline
Member

Registered: 07/05/02
Posts: 107
Loc: New York
Yeesh. Hey, Lloydy, and thanks for the welcome. Yeah, porn cams. Well, sounds like British girls are suckers for the material world just like most everybody else. As for the pedophiles, I'm reminded of not only the efforts of many acquaintances and friends to transform their own abuse experiences, but the writings of Wilhelm Reich. He treated a voyeur, and after Reich's intensive brand of therapy, now prominent in Bio and Core Energetics, honing in on parental issues of ignorance and invasiveness, the guy made progress. He became an enthusiastic photographer. Well, that seems a little beyond the ken of these bozos. As for the girls? They definitely need other outlets. Do I hear karate?


Top
#85371 - 07/10/02 08:12 PM Re: The evil web.
Lloydy Offline
Administrator Emeritus
MaleSurvivor
Registered: 04/17/02
Posts: 7071
Loc: England Shropshire
When I was 13 girls were still playing with Barbie dolls, never mind karate, a poke in the eye with Barbies bits was dangerous enough !!

But this is the way kids seem to be treated now, shoved in their bedrooms with no supervision and access to tv and internet. Hey, I'm not a parent, but there's no way I would let kids have long periods of unrestricted internet access. Or am I being too old and boring ? I dont know.

The evil thing about this is the marketing behind it, "you tease, they please" There truly are some sickos about, but we know that- we've met them.
this sort of thing can, and surely will, have lasting effects on its victims.

But what can anyone do ?

Lloydy

_________________________
Go confidently in the direction of your dreams! Live the life you've imagined. As you simplify your life, the laws of the universe will be simpler.
Henry David Thoreau

Top
#85372 - 07/11/02 10:42 AM Re: The evil web.
integrator Offline
Member

Registered: 07/05/02
Posts: 107
Loc: New York
Sounds like Barbie bits won't cut it these days. Old-fashioned ideas have merit, as do feelings of hopelessness, despair, awareness. The U.S. Constitution is currently being used to combat censorship of sites like that. Age of consent type laws and regulatory procedures are one statutory step that are called for.
Hey, otherwise, sometimes there's no protecting people from their own exploration and perhaps, lack of awareness. I know karate and that sort of thing can work wonders. Musical instruments. Love of learning. Love of ethics. The story of Frederick Douglass, the African-American dignitary, traces his origins humbly when he was a child of slaves and forbidden to be taught. He learned the alphabet on his own, and least of all became a role model. George Washington Carver became a professor of science and technology, and he gave up some perquisites to go and teach at a struggling institution.
The Buddha also has a story about wisdom. Just as the scent of lilies and such still carries even against the wind, so the seeker will do even more so. Wisdom carries.


Top
#85373 - 07/11/02 01:12 PM Re: The evil web.
Lloydy Offline
Administrator Emeritus
MaleSurvivor
Registered: 04/17/02
Posts: 7071
Loc: England Shropshire
"Wisdom carries" very true, it does. But what inspires people to follow its trail ?
We live with information overload, the internet reaches our mobile phones and such like, so do we need to learn anything other than the simple operation of just logging on and doing a search ?
Most kids just download their homework these days, it's quick and easy.
And just "finding" information lacks the structures of learning, which can include all sorts of peripheral things that give us social skills and develop thought proccess.
Us old un's who learnt from books gained a lot by accident, if I was looking for a particular thing and I stumbled across something else that looked interesting I stopped and looked, gained something just from being curious. Search engines hit the spot, we scan through - download and print. Instant information.
So if we're not spending time learning what else do we do ? log on and get pleasure and gratification just as easily ?

I know it's a bigger picture than that, and the net isn't the only thing to blame, but the quest for pleasure seems to have overtaken the quest for knowledge.
And as long as that is happening the unscrupulous people who dream up these kind of exploitive sites will have a field day.
Lloydy

_________________________
Go confidently in the direction of your dreams! Live the life you've imagined. As you simplify your life, the laws of the universe will be simpler.
Henry David Thoreau

Top
#85374 - 07/12/02 11:31 AM Re: The evil web.
integrator Offline
Member

Registered: 07/05/02
Posts: 107
Loc: New York
:rolleyes: You said it, Lloydy. And it looks like this sort of thing has been going on for ages. The Buddha formulated his solution to address the same problem even in 500 BC. I guess Plato and Socrates did the same. As for what carries wisdom, each of our own actions is the answer. My own desire to address my own personal needs lead me years ago to pursue the awareness that only the other day lead me to this site. In the process I came across Freud's theories. He began it trying to address the "hysteria" and psychosomatic conditions in the late 1800's. Amnesty International has proliferated since the early 1960's, has helped protect and free human rights prisoners, and has won a Nobel Peace Prize in the process. The Twelve Step groups, founded in the 1930's, have helped suffering people find help, and have spread internationally.
Like in the movie "JFK", Kevin Costner's character conveys that "It all comes down to you."
It makes sense, no matter what generation you come from.


Top


Moderator:  Chase Eric, ModTeam 

I agree that my access and use of the MaleSurvivor discussion forums and chat room is subject to the terms of this Agreement. AND the sole discretion of MaleSurvivor.
I agree that my use of MaleSurvivor resources are AT-WILL, and that my posting privileges may be terminated at any time, and for any reason by MaleSurvivor.