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#84454 - 10/01/06 01:42 PM BBC tonight about the Popes complicity
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Heres the link!

He warned bishops all around the world to protect the church instead of kids!

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#84455 - 10/01/06 04:30 PM Re: BBC tonight about the Popes complicity
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Ste,

Here's a piece of the story that caught my attention:

Quote:
The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.
As I recall, this is exactly what Tom (Muldoon) went through when his case came up before a Church review board.

L.

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#84456 - 10/01/06 04:49 PM Re: BBC tonight about the Popes complicity
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Larry,

it is damning of the catholic church for a man as high up as a Cardinal, now Pope, to condone child abuse.

Maybe I read the Bible right, but he cannot, and he should step down as head of the church.

I will record it tonight and see what its about.
He has lost it,

ste

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#84457 - 10/01/06 04:58 PM Re: BBC tonight about the Popes complicity
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Ste,

Is this program on again tonight? The story says it was on September 30th - yesterday - so I thought I had missed it.

L.

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#84458 - 10/01/06 05:20 PM Re: BBC tonight about the Popes complicity
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Larry,

its on tonite,

Listings for BBC 1 on Sunday, October 1 2006

http://www.bleb.org

22:15 Panorama Sex Crimes and the Vatican: An investigation into allegations that a secret church directive is being used to silence the victims of child sex abuse by Roman Catholic priests. [S] >>

BBC 1

ste

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#84459 - 10/01/06 05:28 PM Re: BBC tonight about the Popes complicity
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can anyone help me out with what time that would be Pacific coast time (usa)?

Sex crimes and the Vatican will be broadcast on Sunday 1 October at 2215 BST on BBC One and on this website where it will then be offered on demand.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/5389684.stm

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#84460 - 10/01/06 05:40 PM Re: BBC tonight about the Popes complicity
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Thad,

The UK is 5 hours ahead of the East coast, so the program ought to be:

17:15 Eastern
16:15 Central
15:15 Mountain
14:15 Pacific

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#84461 - 10/01/06 05:42 PM Re: BBC tonight about the Popes complicity
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Ste,

Thanks for the heads-up on this one. From the writeup you post from the Daily Mail it looks like it will be a very important program.

Much love,
Larry

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#84462 - 10/01/06 06:16 PM Re: BBC tonight about the Popes complicity
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Thats why I never go to church, they are all keeping things quiet.

I will record it to DVD and get it on demand if the link comes up, whichever way, I want to watch it,

ste

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#84463 - 10/01/06 06:29 PM Re: BBC tonight about the Popes complicity
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I look forward to watching this program online as soon as it's available. I may need some help locating it once it's available online. Hope some of you who are more familiar with negotiating the BBC site than I will be of assistance if and when I need it!

Lots of love,

John

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#84464 - 10/01/06 06:32 PM Re: BBC tonight about the Popes complicity
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You know, when this guy was elected Pope, I turned to my wife and commented that he appeared to me to look like "the devil personified". Now I know why I felt that way.

Lots of indignation,

John

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#84465 - 10/01/06 07:03 PM Re: BBC tonight about the Popes complicity
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In looking at some of the other story titles on the link provided, it looks like the Daily Mail is a rag publication, a la National Inquirer to us folks here in the US. It looks like sleaze journalism to me, so I think we should all keep the source in mind before this thread descends into pointless Catholic-bashing (and, btw, I'm Baptist). Believe it or not, everything in print may not necessarily be true. Just something to ponder.

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#84466 - 10/01/06 07:13 PM Re: BBC tonight about the Popes complicity
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The Mail maybe a rag but it is Panorama who are doing the program.

They would need to have definite evidence to take on the might of the Vatican,

ste

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#84467 - 10/01/06 07:14 PM Re: BBC tonight about the Popes complicity
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Eddie,

I may be wrong, but it is my understanding nearly all printed news media in the UK is of that same nature.

In regards to Catholic bashing, I've seen this report before in much more reputible publications such as the Oregonian which also published the 1962 secret document from Cardinal Ratzinger's comittee in it's entirety on their website a year or more before he was elected pope.

I guess what I'm saying here is that just because this is in the Daily Mail doesn't mean it's bogus. If you would like a copy of the document in question, I'd be happy to send it to you. It's a photocopy of the actual document that was issued to the US bishops.

Lots of love,

John

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#84468 - 10/01/06 07:34 PM Re: BBC tonight about the Popes complicity
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#84469 - 10/01/06 10:29 PM Re: BBC tonight about the Popes complicity
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This is totally sick, and it made me cry, but how can they do it!
If you cannot get it, you will, and I will make it public,

ste

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#84470 - 10/01/06 11:24 PM Re: BBC tonight about the Popes complicity
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My son Mark and I just finished watching the Panorama program, and I just want to share with everyone how he reacted to it, and then some of my own remarks.

I paraphrase a bit, but something like this: "And they dare to shout about stem cells, gay marriage, family values, birth control, abortion and pre-marital sex, when they have enough pedophile priests in one bishopric to stuff a cathedral? They should shut the fuck up and clean up their own mess before they meddle in the business of the rest of us."

If you didn't see it, this one is a must guys. It shows how the rot really extends all around the world. One perp priest in Brazil even kept written notes on what type of boy to look for (poor, fatherless, lonely, unhappy) and how to snag him (guitar lessons, alter boy duties, then ask for sex in exchange for a present).

One thing positive that struck me - over and over again - was the courage of the survivors who were interviewed. Their names were used and there they were, on international TV, telling what the abusers had done to them. It was moving, to say the least.

So yes, triggering throughout, but very worthwhile.

Much love,
Larry

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