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#84426 - 10/02/06 05:29 PM Re: "You in your boxers?"
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Curiosity and suspicion got me, so I googled for the tran>
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#84427 - 10/02/06 07:54 PM Re: "You in your boxers?"
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And now the SOB has admitted himself to rehab saying he's an alcoholic. Well, maybe he is, but I know several alcoholics, recovering and active, who aren't pedophiles! The tran>
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#84428 - 10/02/06 08:04 PM Re: "You in your boxers?"
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Trish,

It looks like the flood gates are opening. The disclosure by that one kid has encouraged several others to come forward, so now the FBI has tran>
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#84429 - 10/02/06 08:11 PM Re: "You in your boxers?"
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And the latest. Note that nothing is said about helping the page:

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Hastert denies GOP leaders saw e-mails


House Speaker Dennis Hastert said Monday no Republican leaders saw lurid Internet exchanges from former Rep. Mark Foley (news, bio, voting record) to pages and he would have demanded his ouster if he'd known about them.

"As a parent and speaker of the House, I am disgusted," Hastert, R-Ill., told reporters after holding a meeting at the Capitol in the wake of the disclosure of the e-mails in 2003 to a page, which led to Foley's resignation last Friday. The page's home state was not immediately cited.

The speaker did not mention e-mail exchanges between Foley, a Florida Republican, and another page, from Louisiana, in 2005. Other House Republicans said they told Hastert about those exchanges months ago. Hastert has not disputed those accounts.

"Congressman Foley duped a lot of people," Hastert said. "I've know him for all the years he has worked in this House and he deceived me, too."

Hastert described instant messages that Foley sent to a former page in 2003 as "vile and repulsive."

Hastert and his leadership team have been working through the weekend to contain the fallout from the Foley revelations. He spoke to reporters Monday after meeting with Rep. John Shimkus (news, bio, voting record), R-Ill., who chairs a panel of lawmakers that oversees the House page program.

Asked about the preliminary inquiry under way at the FBI into Foley's actions, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales told reporters Monday afternoon, "We're just beginning to look at it right now. I haven't received a report."

Officials were still trying to decide whether the Washington or Miami offices of the FBI would head the inquiry.

The congressional page program has traditionally been a starting point for young people interested in making a career of politics.

There currently are 72 House pages, 48 selected by Republicans and 24 by Democrats, according to a recent report by the Congressional Research Service. The Senate breakdown is 30 pages, 18 chosen by Republicans and 12 by Democrats.

Hastert, who did not take questions from reporters, called on any person who was aware of the 2003 instant messages to speak to law enforcement authorities. He said no Republican leader in Congress was aware of those exchanges until Friday, when ABC News reported it had questioned Foley about them.

Leadership officials had been aware since last year of the 2005 e-mail exchange, which they described as "overly friendly" but did not include overtly sexual references. They said they did not follow up on them other than to instruct Foley to not communicate with the Louisiana page.

Hastert said the page program has inspired many generations of youths to go into public life and said their safety and protection has been a top priority.

"It is a trust and as a parent and as the speaker of the House I am disgusted that Congressman Foley broke that trust," he said.

Foley, 52, checked himself into an alcohol rehabilitation center over the weekend, his attorney said Monday. In a statement, Foley said: "I strongly believe that I'm an alcoholic and have accepted the need for immediate treatment for alcoholism and other behavioral problems."

Florida Republicans on Monday chose a member of the state legislature, Rep. Joe Negron of Stuart, to replace Foley as the party's candidate for the state's 16th congressional district, which covers an area north and west of Palm Beach.

Hastert and his leadership team have been working through the weekend to contain the fallout from the Foley revelations. In a letter sent Sunday, Hastert asked Gonzales to "conduct an investigation of Mr. Foley's conduct with current and former House pages."

White House spokesman Tony Snow on Monday attempted to deflect the political repercussions of the Foley exchanges with pages, saying, "The House has to clean up the mess, to the extent there is a mess."

"This does not affect every Republican in the United States of America, just as bad behavior on Democrats' part is not a reflection on the entire party," Snow added.

Shimkus, appearing with Hastert, said new measures would be implemented to keep pages safe and said they include a toll-free hotline for pages, former pages and their families to confidentially report any incidents.

Shimkus called Foley's behavior "deplorable."

"The very thought of this behavior made me sick," he said. "Mark Foley should be ashamed."

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#84430 - 10/03/06 10:34 PM Re: "You in your boxers?"
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More along the same lines: interest of course in the larger political aspects of the scandal, but not a word about help for the pages who were approached by Foley and may now need at least someone safe to talk to.

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Pressure builds on Republicans in sex scandal


Republican U.S. House leaders faced growing pressure over a congressional sex scandal on Tuesday, with Speaker Dennis Hastert rejecting calls to step down for his handling of sexual messages sent to teen-age boys by Rep. Mark Foley (news, bio, voting record).

The conservative Washington Times newspaper, usually a Republican supporter, accused Hastert of barely pursuing warnings about Foley's messages and said in an editorial he "must do the only right thing, and resign his speakership at once."

Hastert has denied any knowledge of Foley's overtly sexual Internet messages to male congressional pages until they were made public on Friday, and his spokesman rejected calls for his resignation.

"The speaker has and will lead the Republican conference to another majority in the 110th Congress," said spokesman Ron Bonjean.

President George W. Bush did not respond to questions in California over whether Hastert should resign, though he did say the Republican was "a father, teacher, coach who cares about the children of this country."

"I'm confident he will provide whatever leadership he can to law enforcement" in its investigation of Foley, Bush said.

The disclosures were a blow to Republicans as they fight to retain control of Congress in November 7 elections, giving Democrats new ammunition in the battle to pick up the 15 House seats and six Senate seats needed to claim majorities in each chamber.

Bush, on a fund-raising trip in Stockton, told reporters he was "dismayed and shocked" by Foley's behavior and supported calls for an investigation of the incident.

"I was disgusted by the revelation, and disappointed that he would violate the trust of the citizens who placed him in office," Bush said.

Members of both parties, including some leading conservatives, said any congressional leader who had known the content of the messages and had failed to take action should step down.

Conservative activist Richard Viguerie said Hastert should go. "We are not going to get to the political promised land until we have new leaders, and it's time for pretty much all of the leaders to leave," Viguerie told CNN.

TAKING THE FALL

House Republicans held a conference call on Monday to discuss the scandal and its fallout, with a top Republican Party aide calling the next few days crucial.

"There isn't much time to right the ship," the aide said. "Somebody has to take the fall."

Some House Republicans looked into e-mail traffic between Foley and a 16-year-old boy last spring, which was described to them as "over-friendly," but House leaders said they were not made aware of explicit messages sent to other pages.

Conservative and religious leaders expressed unhappiness with the unfolding scandal and Republican strategists worried some conservative voters would wind up sitting home on November 7 out of disgust.

"The big danger for Republicans is they are going to reach a tipping point with the conservative base and they are going to stay home," said Republican consultant Rich Galen.

"It's a very uncomfortable situation right now, and the most uncomfortable person of all is the speaker."

The FBI, Florida state investigators and House ethics investigators are all looking into Foley's communications with pages, who are teenagers assigned to answer telephones, deliver documents and run other errands for members of Congress.

House Republican Leader John Boehner, in an interview with an Ohio radio station, said Hastert had told him the situation "had been taken care of" and "my position is it's in his corner, it's his responsibility."

At least one Republicans rallied to Hastert's defense.

"The speaker has led the Congress through dangerous and important times. His leadership has been steady and consistent, and he has the strong support of the conference," said Rep. Roy Blunt (news, bio, voting record) of Missouri, the third-ranking House Republican.

The scandal created a ripe takeover target in Foley's previously safe district for Democrats, and gave them renewed ammunition for charges Republicans have abused their power.

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#84431 - 10/04/06 12:02 AM Re: "You in your boxers?"
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So now Foley says he was abused by a priest from age 13-15. Well, I'm sorry that happened to him, but that's no excuse to become a pervert. I was abused as well and I managed not to become a pervert and so did a lot of other people here.

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#84432 - 10/04/06 12:25 AM Re: "You in your boxers?"
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Ditto Eddie, only from ages 6 to 11. I'm so sorry that happened to Foley, but so what. As you say it's no excuse, and at least he's not offering excuses. In a statement early today he stated as much, so there's some integrity there. Too bad it's too little, too late!

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#84433 - 10/04/06 01:04 AM Re: "You in your boxers?"
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Here's the new story: alcoholic, now a victim of abuse by a priest, what next? Does he think that he can argue that abuse "made him gay"? Does he think that abuse (if the story is true) means he's not responsible for what he does as an adult?

Eddie and John, you are so right: we were all abused and managed to fight through and not repeat the cycle of abuse ourselves. But there's even more than that; we have done even more to our credit. ALL of us here talk frankly about whatever acting out we have done, we accept that it's no good for us, and we try to do whatever needs to be done to put an end to it. Never have I seen any guy on this site resort to the abuse he suffered as an excuse for getting cumpulsive about porn, drinking himself nearly to death, losing himself in drugs, acting out with other men or with prostitutes, or anything else. It's incredible the honesty and integrity that we see on this site.

I don't see that in Foley. For him abuse IS an excuse for all the things he knows he will now be blamed for.


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Foley says he was abused by a clergyman


Disgraced former Rep. Mark Foley (news, bio, voting record) said through his lawyer Tuesday that he was sexually abused by a clergyman as a teenager, but accepts full responsibility for sending salacious computer messages to teenage male pages.

Attorney David Roth said Foley was molested between ages 13 and 15 by a clergyman. He declined to identify the clergyman or the church, but Foley is Roman Catholic.

He also acknowledged for the first time that the former congressman is gay, saying the disclosure was part of his client's "recovery."

"Mark Foley wants you to know he is a gay man," Roth told reporters in Florida as Republicans struggled to avoid election-year fallout from the congressman's behavior and sudden resignation.

Foley represented parts of Palm Beach County for 12 years until he abruptly resigned Friday after being accused of sending lurid Internet messages to teenage boys who served as pages on Capitol Hill. The FBI and Florida law enforcement officials are investigating whether he violated any laws.

The lawyer said Foley, who is now in treatment for alcohol abuse, never had any inappropriate sexual contact with a minor. He said Foley was under the influence of alcohol when he sent the e-mails and instant messages.

Asked why he didn't disclose this information sooner, Roth said, "Shame, shame."

"As is so often the case with victims of abuse, Mark advises that he kept his shame to himself for almost 40 years," Roth said.

Foley announced in a statement Sunday that he had checked into a facility to be treated for "alcoholism and other behavioral problems."

Roth said Foley never had any sexual contact with minors.

"There was absolutely no inappropriate sexual contact with any minor ... and any suggestion that Mark Foley is a pedophile is false," he said, adding that Foley never even attempted to have sexual relations with the teens.

Asked whether Foley was suicidal, Roth said, "I am not concerned about that at all."

"I was advised by his doctor that despite obvious pressure and the trauma of what he has gone through as a result of the revelations that he has determined to be completely inappropriate and inexcusable that he is not in danger of hurting himself," Roth said.

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#84434 - 10/04/06 04:33 AM Re: "You in your boxers?"
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I won't question that Foley was abused. But I personally resent his "disclosure", which by its very context is obviously intended to be either a justification for his behavior, or some kind of "shield" to keep people from using exceptionally harsh language to describe this scandal.

So, what, now are we not allowed to call his behavior disgusting, sick, reprehensible, because he was abused? It's still all that and more. We try so hard to combat the stereotype of the "vampire syndrome", only to have high-profile smegs like this guy trying to exploit the same stereotype in a bid for mercy. I was having a wonderful day at work until I went on break and watched CNN, only to see the lawyer's statement. It made my blood boil. A friend of me actually asked me if something was wrong - I suppose my anger was obvious, though I wasn't saying anything.

Then CNN brings some talking-head "addiction therapist" on, who explained (at least, it's what I THOUGHT I heard him say) that the apparent fact he was abused essentially "answers some of the questions" about Foley's behavior. This same genius, when asked if Foley could indeed be considered a real pedophile, answered something to the effect that "no, because we only tend to see pedophilic behavior in people who were abused before the age of twelve".

I'm immensely angry. I'm trying very hard to maintain decorum.

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#84435 - 10/04/06 05:23 AM Re: "You in your boxers?"
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Hi, Melliferal - I agree with you on this and believe you have stated exactly what everyone here feels as well. When I heard that loser of a lawyer on tv, I just groaned inside, thinking about how people must perceive SA victims. Such idiocy.

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