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#84267 - 08/20/06 02:20 PM NY Times Story Child Modeling Websites or Pornography?
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(Note: i posted the entire article in the reply box to this post)

Dark Corners:
Using Nearly Nude Pictures, Child Sex Sites Test Laws

a link to the article is here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/busine...JtnW8WnGMZ2n8Ig

*note* you'll (probably) have to register w/the NYTimes to read this and (sometimes) after 7 days articles have a cost.

however, this is an excellent article about websites allegedly posting children's pics for "modeling" but appear to be thinly disguised attempts at getting around child pornography laws as they exist now and are interpreted.

the article discusses these sites in *graphic* detail and questions how the laws are currently being applied, with lawyers quoted giving their opinions on whether or not there should be more changes.

the children being discussed are not in the nude but clothed, however, their clothing is sometimes minimal and usually is emphasizing their genital areas.

a quote from the article:

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The leading precedent on child pornography involving clothed minors is a federal case known as United States v. Knox, which involved a pedophile who obtained erotic videos of girls. In that 1994 case, the Federal Court of Appeals upheld the conviction of the pedophile, Stephen Knox, saying explicitly that clothing alone did not automatically mean that images of children were legal.
personally i think this article is awesome and hope to see more of this type of reporting in the future. it truly tests the boundaries of what the public needs to know but often seem unwilling to discuss about child pornography.

indygal

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#84268 - 08/20/06 02:29 PM Re: NY Times Story Child Modeling Websites or Pornography?
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(((((((***TRIGGERS***))))))

here's the article in its entirety:

August 20, 2006
Dark Corners
Using Nearly Nude Pictures, Child Sex Sites Test Laws
By KURT EICHENWALD

In the photograph, the model is shown rising out of a bubble bath, suds dripping from her body. Her tight panties and skimpy top are soaked and revealing. She gazes at the viewer, her face showing a wisp of a smile that seems to have been coaxed from off-camera.

In just over seven months, the model has become an online phenomenon. She has thousands of fans from around the world, membership lists show, who pay as much as $30 a month to see images of her. According to the posted schedule, new photographs of her — many clearly intended to be erotic, all supposedly taken that week — are posted online every Friday for her growing legions of admirers.

The model’s online name is Sparkle. She is — at most — 9 years old.

Sparkle is one of hundreds of children being photographed by adults, part of what appears to be the latest trend in online child exploitation: Web sites for pedophiles offering explicit, sexualized images of children who are covered by bits of clothing — all in the questionable hope of allowing producers, distributors and customers to avoid child pornography charges.

In recent months, an array of investigations of the child pornography business — by the Justice Department, state and local law enforcement and Congress — have contributed to wholesale shutdowns of some of the most sexually explicit Internet sites trafficking in child images. But they have been rapidly replaced by a growing number of these so-called model sites, Internet locations that offer scores of original photographs of scantily clad under-age children like Sparkle, often posed in ways requested by subscribers.

More than 200 of the sites have been found by The New York Times through online advertising aimed at pedophiles, and a vast majority focus mostly on one child. Almost all the children appear to be between the ages of 2 and 12.

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#84269 - 08/20/06 03:44 PM Re: NY Times Story Child Modeling Websites or Pornography?
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I posted a long reply to this but lost connexion.

1.)How about a new law stating that it is illegal to benefit from a child, knowing that the pictures may domoralize.

2.)Who on Earth lets their children do it?

3.)Why? Do we need little children modelling, often at the behest of the family!

4.)The ones who pay for it, should seriously rethink the morality behind what they do!

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#84270 - 08/21/06 07:55 PM Re: NY Times Story Child Modeling Websites or Pornography?
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This article has been appearing on pro paedophile message boards. So there must be something in it. I find the whole pagent/beauty queen stuff with children pretty sickening.

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#84271 - 08/21/06 07:57 PM Re: NY Times Story Child Modeling Websites or Pornography?
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And as we already know there are some pretty lousey so called parents out there.

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#84272 - 08/22/06 06:09 PM Re: NY Times Story Child Modeling Websites or Pornography?
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This is all pretty grim. I had no idea things were going to this length, I must admit.

Larry

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#84273 - 08/22/06 09:12 PM Re: NY Times Story Child Modeling Websites or Pornography?
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I think it has been going on for a while. Like Ste says, the people to blame here are the parents who are exploiting their children.

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#84274 - 08/25/06 04:26 AM Re: NY Times Story Child Modeling Websites or Pornography?
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This article has made me ill. \:\(

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#84275 - 08/26/06 04:06 AM Re: NY Times Story Child Modeling Websites or Pornography?
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i thought very hard about whether to post this story or not but the bottom line had to be the information itself - is it worth it? the story is indeed hard to read - it took me, a non-survivor, several attempts to finish. it is always very distressing to hear about parents who don't take proper care of their children, much less exploit them and expose them to harm!

however, i honestly believe what's really important in this story is how it's on the cutting edge of exposing the harm that is done to children in a multitude of ways. that is, we all are familiar with the "no touching in our private areas" to be taught to children; but this isn't even about that.

this is about teaching children a whole new awareness of themselves that is going to be necessary at even younger ages than ever with the access to media we all have these days and the implications it raises.

what this is also about is the fact that as survivors your voices are absolutely crucial in changing laws regarding anything to do with sexual abuse of children. if anyone is going to be making a difference, ultimately it is you all who will be most convincing with your firsthand experiences which testify to the damage that is done in the long term.

keeping quiet only allows csa to continue; and keeping quiet isn't just about not sharing your experience, it's also about not sharing of information in the media. people have to know what is happening if they are to take the appropriate steps to stop it, to educate others and to protect all children.

all the best
indy

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#84276 - 08/26/06 11:55 AM Re: NY Times Story Child Modeling Websites or Pornography?
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Indy,

Yes, it's a very distressing story but I think it's been worthwhile to see it here. It's all about the exploitation of children, an issue that of course stands at the heart of what we talk about here.

Much love,
Larry

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