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#75344 - 04/03/06 08:34 AM "daddy" by korn *BIG BIG TRIGGERS*
kuurt Offline
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i was talking to some people in the chat room tonight and i was informed that they didn't know about the song "daddy" by korn. this song is about abuse and when i heard it the first time in 8th grade, i almost had 500 heart attacks. it really affected me even though it wasn't actually my dad who did bad stuff. it made me look at what had happend to me instead of ignoring it, it made me see that someone else might know what i had been through and that maybe i was not alone and maybe i wasn't just imagining or making up all the bad things i was feeling because of it. listening to the actual song is much more moving than just reading the lyrics, so if you feel like you can handle it's emotional intenseness, you should listen to it right away. did any of you guys know about this song already?
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'daddy' by Korn

***HUGE TRIGGERS***


Mother, please forgive me. I just had to get out all my pain and suffering.
Now that I am done, remember I will always love you; I'm your son.


Little child looking so pretty
come out and play, I'll be your Daddy
Innocent child looking so sweet
I rape in my eyes and on your flesh I'll eat


You raped, I feel dirty
It hurt as a child
Tied down, "That's a good boy."
And fuck your own child
I scream, no one hears me
It hurt, not a liar
My God, Saw you watching
Mommy, why? Your own child


Little child, looking so pretty,
come out and play, I'll be your Daddy


You raped, I feel dirty
It hurt as a child
Tied down, "That's a good boy."
And fuck your own child
I scream, no one hears me
It hurt, not a liar
My God, Saw you watching
Mommy, why?


It's alright


You raped, I feel dirty
It hurt as a child
Tied down, "That's a good boy."
And fuck your own child
You raped, no one hears me
It hurt as a child
Tied down, no one hears me
And rape your own child


"I didn't touch you there."
Mommy said she didn't care.
"I didn't touch you there."
That's why Mommy stopped and stared.


Little child looking so sweet
I rape in my eyes and on your flesh I'll eat


You raped, I feel dirty
It hurt as a child
Tied down, "That's a good boy."
And fuck your own child
I scream, no one hears me
It hurt, Iím not a liar
My God, Saw you watch
Mommy, why? Your own child


You raped, I feel dirty
It hurt as a child
Tied down, "That's a good boy."
And fuck your own child
I scream, no one hears me
It hurt, Iím not a liar
My God, Saw you watch
Mommy, why?


[Crying with frustration]
Motherfucker
Fuck!!
Fucking bitch
I fucking hate you
Fuck you
Motherfucker
I fucking hate you
Fuck you
Bitch
You fucking ruin my life
You fucked...
Fucking bitch
I hate you
I fucking hate you
Fuck you...

[Crying Continues]

[Woman begins to sing]

[Music starts again]

[Jon Leaves The Booth]

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and if the levee breaks, i'll have no place to stay"
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#75345 - 04/03/06 09:29 AM Re: "daddy" by korn *BIG BIG TRIGGERS*
irishguy Offline
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Hey kuurt,

Good band, Not the best song to listen to but it was written by someone just like us, ive heard this song before, and ive posted the lyrics up here too, not sure when exactly but i know i did, J.Davis is a fantastic song writer, ive been listenin to korn since i was 13-14 there is alot of strenght in their music.

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#75346 - 04/03/06 10:50 AM Re: "daddy" by korn *BIG BIG TRIGGERS*
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Kurt,

This is a powerful song in all sorts of ways, especially in how the abuser manipulates and humiliates the boy.

The abuser in the song isn't the boy's father, by the way. Part of the abuser's sick fantasy is that he wants to make believe he is having sex with his own son, and at the same time he wants to shame his victim absolutely. Jonathan Davis probably means that he had to call the abuser "Daddy" and ask him to do the things that the abuser wanted. That's what happened to me, and it was utterly shaming and humiliating, exactly as the abuser wanted.

From an earlier generation we also get powerful songwriting from the Who, whose guitarist and songwriter Pete Townshend was abused as a kid. The rock opera "Tommy" talks about this, primarily in one song where Uncle Ernie "fiddles about" with Tommy. There too, Townshend has really emotional lyrics stressing how innocent and defenseless the boy was.

Your post had this very important comment in it:

Quote:
it made me look at what had happend to me instead of ignoring it, it made me see that someone else might know what i had been through and that maybe i was not alone and maybe i wasn't just imagining or making up all the bad things i was feeling because of it.
Just imagine how many other boys this Korn song helped in the same way. You sure weren't alone, Kurt, but I bet it made a big difference to KNOW you weren't alone.

Much love,
Larry

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Nobody living can ever stop me
As I go walking my freedom highway.
Nobody living can make me turn back:
This land was made for you and me.
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#75347 - 04/03/06 08:56 PM Re: "daddy" by korn *BIG BIG TRIGGERS*
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Wow, as if the lyrics aren't powerful and sad enough, I suppose they are open to interpretation as well. When I read them, I tagged the abuser as the boy's mother.

Trish

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#75348 - 04/04/06 12:15 AM Re: "daddy" by korn *BIG BIG TRIGGERS*
roadrunner Offline
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Trish,

Wow, I can see what you mean. The song DOES allow for that interpretation. But I vaguely recall Davis saying in an interview that the abuser was a male but not his father. An uncle? I just don't recall.

The point remains, of course, that a LOT of abused teenagers who follow Korn's music will have been helped by this song, exactly as Kurt was.

I wonder how many letters Davis has received about this. Korn (for you older people ;\) ) is one of the most influential heavy metal bands in the business and still one of the most popular live shows in rock music today.

Much love,
Larry

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Nobody living can ever stop me
As I go walking my freedom highway.
Nobody living can make me turn back:
This land was made for you and me.
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#75349 - 04/04/06 07:25 AM Re: "daddy" by korn *BIG BIG TRIGGERS*
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Kurt,

Here are the relevant parts of the Who's rock opera "Tommy" that I was talking about. The album came out in 1970. This was pretty radical stuff to say back then, as the sexual abuse of boys wasn't yet recognized as a big issue. What gives these simple lyrics their incredible power is the music that goes with them.


Do You Think It's Alright?

Mother:

Do you think itís alright,
To leave the boy with Uncle Ernie?
Do you think itís alright;
Heís had a few too many tonight.
Díyou think itís alright?

Father:

I think itís alright, yes I think itís alright.



Fiddle About

Uncle Ernie:

Iím your wicked Uncle Ernie
Iím your wicked Uncle Ernie
Iím glad you wonít see or hear me
Iím glad you wonít see or hear me
As I fiddle about
As I fiddle about
Fiddle about
Fiddle about
Fiddle about!
Fiddle about!

Your mother left me here to mind you
Your mother left me here to mind you
Now Iím doing what I want to
Now Iím doing what I want to
Fiddling about
Fiddling about
Fiddling about
Fiddling about
Fiddle about!
Fiddle about!

Down with the bedclothes
Down with the bedclothes
Up with the nightshirt!
Up with the nightshirt!
Fiddle about
Fiddle about
Fiddle about
Fiddle about
Fiddle about!
Fiddle about!

You wonít shout as I fiddle about
You wonít shout as I fiddle about
Fiddle about
Fiddle about
Fiddle about
Fiddle about
Fiddle about!
Fiddle about!
Fiddle, fiddle, fiddle.
Fiddle, fiddle, fiddle.

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Nobody living can ever stop me
As I go walking my freedom highway.
Nobody living can make me turn back:
This land was made for you and me.
(Woody Guthrie)

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#75350 - 04/04/06 07:35 AM Re: "daddy" by korn *BIG BIG TRIGGERS*
kuurt Offline
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Registered: 12/23/05
Posts: 168
Loc: louisiana
this song by the who is hard to read. \:\(

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#75351 - 04/04/06 07:41 AM Re: "daddy" by korn *BIG BIG TRIGGERS*
roadrunner Offline
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Kurt,

The lyrics reflect the repetitions sung by the different members of the band. "Tommy" has a lot of this in it.

Larry

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Nobody living can ever stop me
As I go walking my freedom highway.
Nobody living can make me turn back:
This land was made for you and me.
(Woody Guthrie)

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#75352 - 04/04/06 11:23 AM Re: "daddy" by korn *BIG BIG TRIGGERS*
irishguy Offline
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Registered: 03/01/04
Posts: 231
Loc: Dublin, Ireland
Hi,

Just wanted to throw something in about korns song,
Davis had a rocky upbringin, his parents divorced when he was young, and his relationship with his father was poor, his neighbour was the perp who gained trust from davis by being a father figure to him, the parts mentionin his mother are about him telling his mother about what was happenin to him and she belived the perps word over her sons, it is a very meaninful song which to this day Korn have never played live except for one time but the song wasnt finished Davis couldnt sing and broke down on stage. if you listen at the end of the song 'Daddy' you can hear Davis start to cry and eventually walk out of the studio, Real tears for real pain. i have huge respect Davis

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#75353 - 04/04/06 10:00 PM Re: "daddy" by korn *BIG BIG TRIGGERS*
kuurt Offline
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Registered: 12/23/05
Posts: 168
Loc: louisiana
it's good to know jon. davis's background. i never really knew it for sure, i just assumed stuff from the songs i had heard. yeah. the end of the song is always the part that really gets me...god. i think he is so awesome for putting such an honest song out there. i couldn't do it. as for performing the song live? yeah, it doesn't surprise me that he broke down when he tried to do it. i mean, i can't tell even one person about what happend to me...much less thousands.

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and if the levee breaks, i'll have no place to stay"
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