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#70664 - 09/22/06 12:07 AM Re: Re; Jim McGreevy on Oprah
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Eddie -

I hear you - I can't argue with what you say -

it really is a matter of personal experience.

I think there's pros and cons -

- patterns and such -

I am glad a gay man is free - of the chains of self hatred -

Anyway - ttyl

Mark

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#70665 - 09/22/06 12:11 AM Re: Re; Jim McGreevy on Oprah
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but I don't agree with you. so please you step back and give space for a different opinion.
I don't feel sorry for him. HE IS THE HEAD OF A STATE or WAS. I feel in part he is like a repentent Tom Cruise - just irritating.

It's a tragedy that our society doesn't accept us - at least in the states - not so up here.

but I think - it's a complex issue - that

to find the silver lining in is good -

very good and positive -

I just don't care that much about this ex governor.

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#70666 - 09/22/06 12:42 AM Re: Re; Jim McGreevy on Oprah
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I am calming down - I suppose if gay life were accepted - and it was just a fling that meant nothing - and he stayed married -
then it would have been an embarrassting Lewinsky like thing?

dunno


I will offer this - interesting note though:

The Netherlands Parliament - has approved that if the Crown Prince of the Netherlands is gay -

He can marry -

and there will be a Crown Prince Consort.

The line of succession has also been legislated as to how the Dutch Royal continuity would be kept.

It's so drastically different around the world.

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#70667 - 09/22/06 12:43 AM Re: Re; Jim McGreevy on Oprah
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#70668 - 09/22/06 01:00 AM Re: Re; Jim McGreevy on Oprah
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the whole idea of gay life as a sin though is not how most G8 countries see it george nowadays- that idea went out - a long time ago.-

my god - there are 4 western countries that have gay marriage - that I can name alone.
?

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#70669 - 09/22/06 07:46 PM Re: Re; Jim McGreevy on Oprah
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in light of all this

the only one who has to be ok with McGreevy
is him

he seems fine now -

I just know - I wouldn't be ok with that -

and would have my opinion

so i just know - I can't stomach - the idea -

so good for him he is out -

I am happy out -

and it's good he is too -

I hope he stays happy.

i know these kinds of men -

I have met them -

It's a frustration that he broke it to everyone

as such. And didn't go into this like Hilary and Bill as a partnership - despite differening prefences.

but it's a matter of style i suppose.

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#70670 - 09/22/06 11:17 PM Re: Re; Jim McGreevy on Oprah
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all i can say to those who empathize with him

i think you have a beautiful soul for wanting to support him like you do


truly -

after my conversations with one famous republican politician - in one of the wealthiest cities in the world -

i really don't have faith in any of them -
(or maybe the current system or just culture)

i want to believe in him too -

he should be able to be governor and have a male husband. hands down - the content of his partner's character - is only the thing - male or female - is the point of light.

god save america.

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