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#69843 - 02/14/06 04:01 PM Re: What does it mean?
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John - it was hanginon who wrote that quote that I took - I was asking hangin on -

but thanks tho -

actually i have heard that Souter is gay -

but again - hearsay it is -

I haven't well - no proof that is
m

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#69844 - 02/14/06 04:02 PM Re: What does it mean?
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sorry i was bordering on the cheap punch line

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#69845 - 02/14/06 04:07 PM Re: What does it mean?
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Mark,

Hearsay is evidence, it's just not generally admissible.

\:\)

John

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#69846 - 02/14/06 05:13 PM Re: What does it mean?
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OK, one further Supreme Court digression. I love this story. Following quote is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Franklin_Powell,_Jr. :
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Bowers v. Hardwick
Powell was the swing vote in Bowers v. Hardwick, opting to go with the majority ruling which upheld Georgia's sodomy laws. He was reportedly distressed over how to vote. A conservative clerk advised him to uphold the ban, and Powell, who believed he had never met a gay person (not realizing that one of his own clerks was a closeted homosexual), voted to uphold Georgia's law, though Powell in a concurring opinion expressed concern at the length of the prison terms prescribed by the law. [1]

In 1990, after his retirement from the Court, he said, "I think I made a mistake in the Hardwick case," marking one of the few times a justice expressed regret for one of his previous votes.
OK, so Powell retired, and Pres. George Bush I tried to fill his seat unsuccessfully first with Robert Bork (who was rejected after confirmation hearings), then with Douglas Ginsburg (who withdrew his nomination after it was learned he'd smoked dope as a student). Finally, George I came up with Anthony Kennedy. So, the man who could have kept Bowers v Hardwick from becoming law in the first place was replaced by the man who wrote the majority decision overruling Bowers v. Hardwick. Irony is just sooooooooo delicious sometimes, as is poetic justice.

John

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#69847 - 02/14/06 07:07 PM Re: What does it mean?
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I am still trying to figure this case out. Good thing I never became a lawyer! ;\)

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#69848 - 02/14/06 08:56 PM Re: What does it mean?
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Dewey,

Bringing myself back on-thread, you have said you're struggling what, if anything a same-sex attraction means beyond same-sex behavior. I guess my somewhat windy answer boils down to: whatever you want it to. If you want to be the least "gay" guy in the world, you've got plenty of brothers out there to be a not-gay-same-sex-loving man. Such folk do, indeed, exist in real life and not just in Brokeback Mountain. If you want something more, that's an option, too, but the key is you, and what you want.

{{{{again, Dwayne}}}}

John

PS: Mark notes that you're a sportsman. One of my gay D.C. cop friends is an ex-AAA ball-player, and now rodeos...there's a lot of options, dude.

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#69849 - 02/15/06 07:56 AM Re: What does it mean?
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I guess the answer to my question is there is no specific answer, or the answers vary as much as individuals do.

Thanks for the input.


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#69850 - 02/15/06 11:26 AM Re: What does it mean?
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I think Gertrude Stein said something very much like that Dewey.

Gertrude Stein and Alice B. Toklas - the most famous Lebanese Authors/couple (well in the 20th Century)

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#69851 - 02/15/06 02:34 PM Re: What does it mean?
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So, like, if Gertrude and Alice were Lebanese, does that mean Danny Thomas was Lesbian?

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John

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#69852 - 02/15/06 06:12 PM Re: What does it mean?
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I think he was transvestite

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