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#69735 - 02/04/06 03:09 AM choices
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Weird thing is I did love my first wife and second wife. But things have changed throughout the years, and I am where I am at now. I do care about my second wife, it just didnt work out, and now I wanted something different. I struggled with orientation my since I was 10. I am happy where I am at.

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#69736 - 02/04/06 03:54 AM Re: choices
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Michael - I am so happy for You -

This is clearly so good -

I love you Michael -

I love your strength and courage and this post is
wondeful

blessings!
xoxox

Mark

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#69737 - 03/26/06 05:28 PM Re: choices
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Well I cannot be anyone but me, and I am quite happy where I am at.

I gave up everything I owned to leave and start over.

Eventhough I miss the dogs, and cats, I and glad I am where I am at.

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#69738 - 03/26/06 05:39 PM Re: choices
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that is so great -
i want o hug you michaeljoseph -

that is awesome -
i would miss the pets too -

i love my birds -

congrats -

mgb

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#69739 - 03/26/06 06:19 PM Re: choices
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Michael,

I know those choices are difficult to make - the prejudice and ignorance of traditional society sees to that. So all the more reason for you to feel proud of who you are: someone who is prepared to be honest with himself in the face of opposition and expect others to accept him as he is, as a matter of right.

Much love,
Larry

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#69740 - 03/26/06 07:07 PM Re: choices
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#69741 - 03/26/06 11:05 PM Re: choices
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you mean after putting me in jail and lying to the cops, and treating me like crap for 4 years.

She didnt want the 2 children we were adopting, and she didnt want me either, if I was loved I would not have left.

You don't know what I have been through. It is not one sided. Why would you need to know?

I really think that the question could have been worded a bit different. I never planned all this for sure there would have been a easier way though the last 10 years of my life.

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#69742 - 03/27/06 12:53 AM Re: choices
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pb - i think you really need to apologize -

for your inensitivity -

affrontery -

and lack of humanity -

markgreyblue

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#69743 - 03/27/06 12:55 AM Re: choices
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sorry but i really am angry with your assumptions

get help

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#69744 - 03/27/06 01:32 AM Re: choices
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I think the point here is that if one wants to know how the ex-wives are doing, one needs to ask the ex-wives. pbfurm, can you give some clarification of where your question is coming from?

John

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#69745 - 03/27/06 01:52 AM Re: choices
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mj.....i love your posting.....and your honesty......not just stating the reality of your situation in life.....but your amazing ability to be honest beyond everything.....with identifying who you truly are and what you need to be a fulfilled person.....i know leaving things behind can weigh heavily on one's mind....but you have moved forward in your pursuit of happiness in your life......love .....steve


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#69746 - 03/27/06 11:06 PM Re: choices
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I love you brother, you are a true friend, by the way I was going to put this in a PM but I am too silly, you were born in america and are older than me so I think I have collected a native american artifact, you.

You really are something Steven, we were both blessed the day we met. talk to you soon

1-800-SILLY-ME

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#69747 - 03/28/06 06:48 AM Re: choices
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mj....i totally agree....and cherish our friendship greatly.......steve


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#69748 - 03/28/06 07:15 AM Re: choices
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smile

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#69749 - 03/30/06 04:57 AM Re: choices
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who started this topic anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!

just kidding--------- I did

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#69750 - 03/30/06 11:25 AM Re: choices
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Michael,

Quote:
who started this topic anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!

just kidding--------- I did
And by your own choice! ;\)

Much love,
Larry

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#69751 - 03/30/06 08:58 PM Re: choices
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just an observation....not really connected to mj's original post....but here goes.....we call these "threads"....i kinda see them as "ropes" .....much stronger than threads.....steve


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#69752 - 03/30/06 09:27 PM Re: choices
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Steve,

Nice idea. \:\) "Ropes" it is then.

Much love,
Larry

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#69753 - 04/02/06 06:15 AM Re: choices
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I could never climb the rope in the gym

and here is one more rope

I made the right choice for me,

and one never knows what will happen

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#69754 - 04/02/06 08:20 AM Re: choices
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Michael,

I could never climb that rope in gym either, but you know what? My teacher was an idiot and I doubt that he could do it either. Certainly he made no effort to show us how it's done.

But this rope is different bro. Now we all have a lot of support and guidance on "how it's done".

See you at the top!

Much love,
Larry

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#69755 - 04/04/06 03:05 AM Re: choices
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I know it is different ropes, I am glad you are here Larry, thanks for the support, \:\)

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#69756 - 04/10/06 02:31 AM Re: choices
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Ahh....the ropes in gym were not well-liked with someone like myself since I couldn't climb up them to begin with. The gym teacher that taught our class was a well built, fit instructor who tolerated nothing else but the same from his "children."

As an adolescent I think I turned to food for comfort only to hide from the atrocity I was living; I was rather overweight. The "asshole" teacher would purposely call on me just to ridicule and mock the fact I couldn't accomplish the task at hand. This had a dramatic impact on my psyche and in my teens I changed dramatically. I became the thinnest kid in school . Now I was capable to do some of the stunts other kids would do. I learned it didn't matter whether you were thin or heavy, the prejudice still existed!


Ahh...the ropes were just the beginning to the torture my gym teacher chose to put me through! There were monkey bars and races; it made a negative impact on my outlook on any form of gymnastics. I believe it is through encouragement that you will achieve the ultimate goal. I truly believe if he had taken the time not to make a fool of me (so all the other classmates followed) but to encourage me (as well as other fellow classmates) the end result would have been rewarding for everyone!

Life, if only we all could live life not looking and judging our fellow human beings but mindful of our own inhibitions and skeletons that lurk in the shadows ....what a better world this could be.

I hope everyone is well. My best to all

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#69757 - 04/13/06 04:56 AM Re: choices
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#69758 - 04/15/06 03:55 AM Re: choices
michael Joseph Offline
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thouth that was long

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#69759 - 04/16/06 12:04 AM Re: choices
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Eddie,

If you want to revise your post, for example delete something from it, just click on the icon showing a pad and pencil. That will take you back into the original text of your post and you can change anything you want.

Larry

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This land was made for you and me.
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#69760 - 04/16/06 11:16 AM Re: choices
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Eddie:

No need to apologize - as the others said, you can edit it out. However, after I read it, I was left with some insight into your life and the struggles you have gone thru.

I want to say this publicly for the benefit of anyone struggling through our healthcare system, and if you would like to further the discussion, I invite you to PM me since it would be off-topic.

I know that many of us who are survivors have many health care issues that may or may not be by-products of the emotional distress in our lives. I have found through hard experience that our health-care system in the US is great as long as you are healthy. But, once you have serious health problems, it is very easy to become mired in a tangle of red tape, HMO bull****, and decisions made by people who are not much more than those interested in the financial bottom line of the insurance companies.

Without going too far off-topic, I cannot stress enough how important it is to become your own advocate. When it gets to the point that your voice isn't being heard, then it's time to get a reputable attorney. I'm not a litigious person, but sometimes we need someone to fight on our behalf.

Now, to the original posting - Michael Joseph - You have learned such an important lesson in life - and that is to be true to yourself. Unfortunately, there are so many people in this world living a lie - a facade - either because of their own fears and prejudices or because of the consequences from those around them who refuse to accept the beauty of individuality.

You have chosen the more difficult path (IMHO), but one that will bring you to old age without regrets. Sometimes it may seem easier to conform to what society wants us to be, but in the end, who wins?

To me, it is far more important to live a life of truth, a life of following your heart, a life where you are kind to others and show them the same respect you would wish shown to you. How much more noble can that be?

You have found something far more precious than any riches on earth - yourself.

SD

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#69761 - 04/27/06 02:25 PM Re: choices
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there is still a loss here, eventhough things went crazy between me and my wife I still love her, I don't know what to think. I have myself-life is different.

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#69762 - 04/27/06 05:17 PM Re: choices
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Michael,

Choices often involve loss; that's what makes them so painful. But so often they have to be made no matter what the pain involved is. The alternative of continuing to stagger along is just not an option any longer. Tragic as that fact may be, it is still a fact.

Much love,
Larry

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This land was made for you and me.
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#69763 - 04/30/06 04:28 PM Re: choices
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It is just hard with the loss and the fact that if I was treated better I would have stayed.

I desearve to be treated well, I know that.
I do miss my dogs, and want some of my things, but it will take a while till I can deal with all that.

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#69764 - 04/30/06 05:33 PM Re: choices
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Michael,

I know bro. I'm listening. (((((Michael))))).

Much love,
Larry

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As I go walking my freedom highway.
Nobody living can make me turn back:
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#69765 - 05/07/06 06:34 PM Re: choices
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thanks Larry, it does help, you and everyone here that are my friends.

MJ

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#69766 - 05/08/06 01:32 AM Re: choices
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Maybe the ropes ("threads") are the ones our brothers here throw to us, to save us from drowning ...


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#69767 - 05/08/06 02:17 AM Re: choices
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The guys here are very special, the support here is wonderful, shybear you have a great day and look forward to your posts. hugs for everyone

mj

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#69768 - 05/08/06 10:09 AM Re: choices
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I don't know if you have time to read (it seems to be a luxury anymore for most of us), but there is an excellent book that may shed some light on life for you. It's called "Necessary Losses", by Judith Viorst. It talks about the choices that we make in life and the losses that we encounter which are a necessary part of life. It comes in paperback - I highly recommend it.

SD

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#69769 - 05/08/06 05:00 PM Re: choices
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heard of it will check it out!!!!

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#69770 - 06/01/06 04:28 AM Re: choices
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just wanted to add this, marred 20+ years, now things are different.

I just dont fit into a label, I am human and my life is different now very little I am me and continue to be me. The person I choose to love is who he is. It is just hard to fit the steriotype that is out there. I struggled too long and now I am just michael joseph nothing more nothing less.

Title of my book I am writing.

Little Boy Blue

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#69771 - 10/30/06 01:49 AM Re: choices
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things are different, confusion over sex,
I did not understand the difference between
being confused and being gay,

I never wanted sex with men, still don't.

But after several men wanted sex with me I did not know what was love and what was abuse.
I know I am not gay, I just wanted someone to love me. I guess you can be loved with out sex.

That is what I have learned.
I wanted love.

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#69772 - 10/30/06 02:07 AM Re: choices
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Michael,

That's one of the most tragic ways abuse affects a boy, I think. All he wants is love, to be special, wanted, important; and abuse teaches him that for that he has to give sex. And to who? Someone who will never give him those things he wanted.

And we wonder where the confusion comes from.

Much love,
Larry

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Nobody living can ever stop me
As I go walking my freedom highway.
Nobody living can make me turn back:
This land was made for you and me.
(Woody Guthrie)

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#69773 - 10/30/06 02:59 AM Re: choices
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thanks larry

I wanted a dad so bad and the love

I didnt want the confusion

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#69774 - 10/30/06 03:11 AM Re: choices
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Michael,

That's another one that can't be made right for us. But what's important now? Have a look at your poem about love. I think that says it all.

Much love,
Larry

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Nobody living can ever stop me
As I go walking my freedom highway.
Nobody living can make me turn back:
This land was made for you and me.
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#69775 - 10/31/06 02:39 AM Re: choices
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From my love poem

"it took a long long time
to understand what love was

so many said they loved me
only a few meant it"

I did not ask for abuse
I did want to be loved
I still miss my dad after all these years
I do not miss the man that hurt me or my cousins that hurt me too.
I never liked being around my grandfather, I never asked him to abuse me over and over again.

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#69776 - 10/31/06 04:18 AM Re: choices
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Michael,

All you wanted was what every boy wants - and needs. You put the complicated issue of the loss of your Dad so well. I know no one can put that right, but still, I am so sorry.

Much love,
Larry

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Nobody living can ever stop me
As I go walking my freedom highway.
Nobody living can make me turn back:
This land was made for you and me.
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#69777 - 11/02/06 04:49 AM Re: choices
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thanks Larry

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#69778 - 11/02/06 04:54 AM Re: choices
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I thought I would hurt Marie if we got too close, so I figured I could not get close to a woman. So I figured I was gay, and with all the confusion over being abused I just didn't understand why I kept getting hurt.

I also have to remember not every woman will interact with me like my ex wife. There were many factors that led up to my marriage ending.

Men do get hurt as adults, I guess my ex doesnt believe it. I felt I was treated mean the last few months, and she can feel anyway she wants. But she cannot know what I feel inside. When you really love someone you are there for them all the time, not just when it is convenent. If she really cared enough I would have told her about Peter.

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#69779 - 11/25/06 05:09 PM Re: choices
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thanks larry I will read my poem on love.

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#69780 - 11/26/06 07:27 PM Re: choices
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read poem and it was good,,,,,,,,,,,,

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#69781 - 12/12/06 12:03 AM Re: choices
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I will love all people, but i will only be intamate with a women that I am married to.

end of story

so glad my wife shoved me out the door so I can now be happy.

So now I am dating womem. I feel really good and it is my choice.

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#69782 - 12/12/06 02:05 PM Re: choices
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Don't forget that spiders spin threads that make very strong webs.

This site certainly is a lifesaver. I can throw things out and am surprised by the responses. I have a hard time dealing with praise of any kind. When I read the terror still in our hearts and minds I want to cry. Then when I read the responses I give a sigh of thanks for all you caring friends.

No one understands our feelings, the emptyness. Sort of like Wyeth's "Christina's World" - there we are on the ground, looking at the farm house on the brow of a hill inching our way slowly to get there. If you go on line and enter "Christina's World (Andrew Wyeth) you will see what I mean.

froggy12

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#346232 - 11/25/10 10:25 AM Re: choices [Re: johnsurvived]
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once again I was lead to believe everything was great and wonderful but with A price --- Freedom ---

and friends and lovers do not lock you up

ever

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#346248 - 11/25/10 02:01 PM Re: choices [Re: michael Joseph]
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Hi, my brother MJ.

The only place where i have you locked up in is in my heart & soul.
Like i tell my WoR brothers at the end is, "I leave here with a piece of your heart and soul." As i offer you a piece of mine.

You are remembered in my daily meditations.

Heal well, my brother, michaelJoseph, heal well.

Pete..Irishmoose.

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#354734 - 02/24/11 07:36 PM Re: choices [Re: sophiesdad]
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So much wisdom I had to post. I am so glad where I am at now years later. My life has not been easy but it is not awful either. I made something of myself when I had nothing.




Originally Posted By: sophiesdad
Eddie:

No need to apologize - as the others said, you can edit it out. However, after I read it, I was left with some insight into your life and the struggles you have gone thru.

I want to say this publicly for the benefit of anyone struggling through our healthcare system, and if you would like to further the discussion, I invite you to PM me since it would be off-topic.

I know that many of us who are survivors have many health care issues that may or may not be by-products of the emotional distress in our lives. I have found through hard experience that our health-care system in the US is great as long as you are healthy. But, once you have serious health problems, it is very easy to become mired in a tangle of red tape, HMO bull****, and decisions made by people who are not much more than those interested in the financial bottom line of the insurance companies.

Without going too far off-topic, I cannot stress enough how important it is to become your own advocate. When it gets to the point that your voice isn't being heard, then it's time to get a reputable attorney. I'm not a litigious person, but sometimes we need someone to fight on our behalf.

Now, to the original posting - Michael Joseph - You have learned such an important lesson in life - and that is to be true to yourself. Unfortunately, there are so many people in this world living a lie - a facade - either because of their own fears and prejudices or because of the consequences from those around them who refuse to accept the beauty of individuality.

You have chosen the more difficult path (IMHO), but one that will bring you to old age without regrets. Sometimes it may seem easier to conform to what society wants us to be, but in the end, who wins?

To me, it is far more important to live a life of truth, a life of following your heart, a life where you are kind to others and show them the same respect you would wish shown to you. How much more noble can that be?

You have found something far more precious than any riches on earth - yourself.

SD


thanks SD for what you wrote

MJ

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