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#61416 - 04/13/06 02:33 AM Our first therapy appt together
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Hello everyone,
I went to my first therapy appt with my husband, (his second appt). It was so hard. the therapist had him describe the first incident of abuse. He cried, I cried. I know that it will get harder as the de>
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#61417 - 04/13/06 02:29 PM Re: Our first therapy appt together
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daneelyn,

What the therapist did sounds wrong to me, especially with you there. Your husband has alot of things to deal with, the abuse being first and foremost, but that should be between him and his therapist - not you. I think the only time you should be involved in knowing or not knowing any specifics about the abuse he suffered is if he chooses to talk to you about it.

My b/f is in therapy. I went to one appointment with him and we have another next week. What the therapist is doing with the two of us there is dealing with how we can better our relationship and how he and I can deal with the abuse as it relates to us. She does not ask him to describe the horrible things that happened to him, with or without me present, unless that's what he feels he needs to do.

I don't want to rain on your parade. I think therapy is critical, but this just sounds wrong to me.

ROCK ON...........Trish

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#61418 - 04/13/06 05:08 PM Re: Our first therapy appt together
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daneelyn,

I must say that even before I read Trish's reply I had the same reaction. That was just wrong. Does this T have experience with survivors? I'd consider finding another one unless your husband is convinced this is the right one.

What was the T thinking?

Zipser

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#61419 - 04/13/06 06:03 PM Re: Our first therapy appt together
daneelyn Offline
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The therapist that my husband is going to has treated many patients that have been SA. Before she talked to him about the first incident she asked my husband if he was comfortable discussing it with me in the room, or would he like me to step out. He wanted me to stay. He wants me to know everything. I think he is afraid of being alone. I would have had no problem leaving. I want to do what ever is comfortable for him. The therapist is very nice and treates my husband the way he needs to be treated. He likes the way she reacts to his comments. She really seems to care about him. The first therapist he went to treated him like he was a criminal for what happened. He HATED her. I dont know if the therapist he is going to is doing the right thing or not becasue I have never been through this before. But my husband really feels comfortable with her. I truly dont know if she will have him go into anymore detail about the abuse. I guess I will find out as we continue going. I dont think he will want to change doctors. And I dont think he will want to go alone. Oh I hope this all works out ok for him. Now I am worried.

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#61420 - 04/13/06 07:34 PM Re: Our first therapy appt together
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daneelyn,

Did your husband ask the T to be witness while he told you a de>
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#61421 - 04/13/06 07:55 PM Re: Our first therapy appt together
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Daneely

I am new and an ms. I have not responded to anyone yet, but this post has caused reactions that I cannot hold in.

I could not imagine being in a T session with my wife present. I had/have emotions and feelings running wild while in a T session. This is an embarrassing, shameful thing to deal with. Many things that happened to me as a child I have never shared with anyone but my T. I also had many things happen that I didnít remember until I started working with my T, most of which I would not want my wife to know until I was ready if every. The most important thing for me and he is being honest. I could not, would not do that with my wife present. I think being honesty in a T session is the only way it will work. I must say I have concerns about his T??

It sounds like the both of you love each other very much. He needs you support, which it sounds like you are more that willing to provide. In my opinion you need to reassure him that your their for him many, many times and let him work with his T. My wife and I are separated but I know that she is and will be their for me anytime I need her. Does he know about this site? Reading some of the post will reassure him that he is not alone. Great site!! My first experience with this site was an emotional one, all I could do was cry, read and cry for hours.

The fact that he is talking about this I think is a positive thing, caution, he has a long road ahead. Love, support and lots of T work should help him the most, it has for me.

I hope this helps
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#61422 - 04/14/06 01:06 AM Re: Our first therapy appt together
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Daneelyn,

Am I reading too much into your post when I say I wonder if you are really so satisfied with the way things are going?

I have seen three excellent Ts, and none of them ever asked me to describe an incident of abuse. To do so in front of my wife would have been a tremendous trauma for me, and I suspect for any survivor.

To take just one area of possible difficulty, what about intimacy between the two of you? When you are both so new to coping with the images of his abuse, isn't there a danger of these images getting in the way of a healthy and fulfilling sexual relationship?

If you are going to continue going to therapy together and this works for you, fine. But perhaps it would be a good idea to devote a session to the pros and cons of joint therapy. If the T cannot lead a conversation that gives a useful balanced picture, I would begin to worry.

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Larry

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#61423 - 04/14/06 03:32 PM Re: Our first therapy appt together
daneelyn Offline
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Registered: 04/08/06
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Loc: Sacramento
Thank you all for you input. I have taken it to heart. I had a talk with my husband last night. I asked him if he truly wants me to go with him to his appts. He said yes, why? I told him that I think it might be easier to talk openly (if that is what he want s to do) without me there. He said no he wants me there. I said weren't you alittle uncomfortable talking about the abuse with me there. He said alitt.e. So I told him there are many different ways for me to support him and me being there in the waiting area so I can be there when he comes out is fine. He wants to try that. I spoke to my sister who is a survivor. Maybe it is different for women, I don't know, but she said that her T had her describe incidents as well. She feels that it was getting it out. And leaving it out for the most part. It never really goes away but it helps to talk about it. All I know is that my husband is comfortable with his T and I don't want to take that away from him. I love him so much and will do what ever it takes to get him trough this. By the way our sexual relationship hasn't changes. I hope it doesn't. Thank you all for your words of advise. I appreciate it a lot.

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#61424 - 04/15/06 03:18 AM Re: Our first therapy appt together
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Daneelyn,

Trusting your instincts and working with your husband to find the most comfortable methods that work for both of you is the best way to go. Even though his T's methods sounded odd to me, what the heck do I know? If your husband trusts his T and she takes care of him, then it's all good.

Just keep your radar up and assure your husband that if, at at time, he's uncomfortable, he has every right to back things up.

Good luck to you both.

ROCK ON.........Trish

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#61425 - 04/15/06 02:15 PM Re: Our first therapy appt together
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Registered: 05/19/05
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Loc: Connecticut
Daneelyn,

Thank you for the update and it sounds like you've found a situation that works for the both of you.

Hope you'll continue to post here. There's much we all can learn from one another.

Zipser

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#61426 - 04/15/06 11:58 PM Re: Our first therapy appt together
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Danyleen
when I was in therapy the option for my wife to attend as well was always there, but neither of us felt it was right for us, and we did discuss it a lot.

For me it was the feeling that having her witness my descritions of my abuse would in someway cause her to 'assume' some of the guilt and shame that I was trying so hard to escape.
To this day I have never told her details of my abuse, or my acting out as an adult. She know's what happened, as in what kind of sex acts went on, but not in as much detail that I shared with my therapist. Neither of us thought that she would benefit herself, or understand my situation any better if she knew the details.

Since then I've begun to work for the charity that provided my therapy and done most of the training to become a counsellor, and although I'm no expert I read and research a lot.
A good therapist will (usually) lead, not ask, the client. They provide the safe environment where the client can, when they're ready, disclose and deal with anything that comes up. So the 'deep stuff' can come up anytime the client feels safe and confident.
Personally I would try to avoid that happening when the clients partner was with them, for the client it presents another level of concern - "what will my partner think if I say xxxxxx?" and that can lead to them changing their minds and not disclosing fully ( at that time maybe ? )
If they are alone with the therapist then they should ( hopefully ) feel able to disclose virtually anything without fear of judgement, and that's a good place to test the waters.
I disclosed more ( but not the full sordid details ) to my wife after I'd tested my thoughts in therapy. That way I felt I could offer the complete, or at least a better, explanation to my wife, which I generally did.

I'm not saying don't continue as you are, or that the therapist is wrong, they all work in their own ways.
All I'm offering is another view.

Take care
Dave

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#61427 - 04/19/06 04:27 PM Re: Our first therapy appt together
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Registered: 09/23/05
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Hi Daneelyn

I terms of therapist expertise I have the princely experience of 2 that I've seen myself and 2 that my partner has seen and 2 that we've seen together. In other words NOT A LOT!

I quite like to be guided and want to know that whomever I'm with is going to lead me along a path with as few bombs on it as possible. I also toyed heavily with having my partner along with me when I talked about abuse issues of my own.. somehow I thought I'd feel safer, as it was I didn't do that but I thought very hard about it. I've also told him more than I've told anyone else.

My partner is adamant that he is the architect of his own recoverery and in that sense if he's happy and feels its making him feel better he just wouldn't listen to any detractors, even if they said it was all wrong.

I wonder if theres a good dollop of whatever works for you.. or him.. in all of this, particularly with survivors. We are all so different.

Also its not set in tablets of stone.. he may change his mind about the approach in time even if it works for him now.

Good luck

T


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