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#52151 - 07/07/03 09:24 AM The Twelve Steps of Insanity
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THE TWELVE STEPS OF INSANITY
(if you don't know the Twelve Steps of Incest Survivors Anonymous, see at bottom of post)

1. We admitted we were powerless over nothing - that we could manage our lives perfectly and those of anyone else who would allow me.

2. Came to believe there was no power greater than ourselves, and the rest of the world was insane.

3. Made a decision to have our loved ones and friends turn their wills and lives over to our care even though they couldn't understand us at all.

4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of everyone we knew.

5. Admitted to the whole world at large the exact nature of everyone else's wrongs.

6. Were entirely ready to make others straighten up and do right.

7. Demanded others to either "shape up or ship out."

8. Made a list of all persons who had harmed us and became willing to go to any length to get even with them all.

9. Got direct revenge on such people wherever possible except when to do so would cost us our own lives or, at the very least, a jail sentence.

10. Continued to take the inventory of others, and when they were wrong, promptly and repeatedly told them about it.

11. Sought through bitching and nagging to improve our relations with others as we couldn't understand them at all, asking only that they knuckle under and do things our way.

12. Having had a complete physical, emotional, spiritual breakdown as the result of these steps, we tried to blame it on others and to get sympathy and pity in all our affairs.


from http://www.mhsanctuary.com/Healing/aa.htm


Twelve Steps of Incest Survivors Anonymous

The I.S.A Twelve Steps

1. We admitted we were powerless over incest -- that our lives had become unmanageable.

2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.

4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.

5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.

6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.

7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.

9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.

11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.

12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to incest survivors, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

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#52152 - 07/07/03 02:31 PM Re: The Twelve Steps of Insanity
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Hey I have 13 out of the 12. lol

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#52153 - 07/07/03 02:59 PM Re: The Twelve Steps of Insanity
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Nyuk nyuk nyuk!

James you're cool!

Victor

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#52154 - 07/07/03 06:21 PM Re: The Twelve Steps of Insanity
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Vic those 12 steps are steps I have not seen before. I will print them and take them to my AA group. Best laugh I have had in a long time. THANKS.

Bob

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#52155 - 07/07/03 06:40 PM Re: The Twelve Steps of Insanity
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Bob,

Glad you like them. I like them too. I'm trying to practice them faithfully... ;\)

Victor

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#52156 - 04/18/04 03:08 PM Re: The Twelve Steps of Insanity
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I really liked this the first time around. I thought maybe the newer guys that haven't poked back would like to see this.

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#52157 - 04/18/04 03:11 PM Re: The Twelve Steps of Insanity
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I must admit, I came into this thread thinking it possible that Victor had returned. \:\( I did not get to know him so well when he was here, but he was always very nice to me.

Thank you Bill, for returning this post where newer people can see it. Somehow I did not see it before.

Leosha

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#52158 - 04/18/04 06:34 PM Re: The Twelve Steps of Insanity
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I hate to question a incest survivor group but
these steps relate to incest how??

5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.

What now they want us to admit we were resposible in some way?

6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.

Defects of character? Is being a incest victim a defect of character?

7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

And shortcomings have to do with incest how??

8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.

admitted the exact nature of our wrongs, defects in character, shortcomings and making amends to the people we harmed is anyone seeing a pattern here?

9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

Making amends? The pattern continues

10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.

Admit wrong?

Is it just me, or does this kinda seem like they are blaming the victim? Blame is ok for Achoholics (which is what this was adapted from) but does it really apply to sexual abuse VICTIMS. Ok, if you want to make this a 12 step program for perps, then you'd have a good start but not for victims.

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#52159 - 04/18/04 08:01 PM Re: The Twelve Steps of Insanity
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The steps are not about the abuser but about us. All of the steps are built from step 1: our lives have become unmanageable. We engage in crazy and often self-destructive behavior. So when we admit our wrongs we are talking about our own crazy behavior. Once again recovery is about finding serenity in our lives and our lives alone.


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#52160 - 12/27/05 12:30 AM Re: The Twelve Steps of Insanity
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Brothers,

I was looking for something else entirely, and lo and behold I found this in archive. It interested me and I thought it might be useful to let this resurface for discussion.

I will withhold my own views for the moment, except to say that I see a lot of merit in what jtt5254 has to say. I should also say I don't understand 12-step programs very well.

Much love,
Larry

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