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#50838 - 12/06/06 07:30 PM Re: hospitals
phoster Offline
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Registered: 11/21/03
Posts: 758
Loc: ohio
i am not a big fan of forcing help on people. i have never seen it actually help that way. the only way people make real change is if they want it, and they want it so bad that they go after it. you are right, that is a huge problem with intervention type help.

the problem is that we are not alone in life. we share our world with others, and when we become a danger to others, people will step in, and rightfully so. if you are about to hurt someone, there has to be protections in place.

the other side is humanity as a whole. you dont even have to work in a hospital. my wife works for a grocery. every day people are stealing from them. they lie to get something for nothing. they whine and complain to get thier way like little children. when someone says, untie me and i'll calm down. are they for real, or only looking to get loose so they can lash out? how do you know which they are? do you take the restraints off, and if you do, do they turn around and kick you in the crotch or something? yes, they become hard and uncaring, but think of thier world. you never know who is lying and who isnt, so you ignore them all and follow some guidelines you were given, if they act out, restrain them until they calm down.

look, is it right what happens? when you are the one hurting is it right that it is this way? no, you need help, not cold abuse, but i am not sure how a system can adress each person. a system like a hospital is concerned for a whole, not the one. honestly, i dont think a clincal setting will ever be able to personalize and adapt to give each what they need. ultimately, for you to get what you need, you have to see to it.

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#50839 - 12/06/06 07:31 PM Re: hospitals
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Registered: 11/12/05
Posts: 2962
Loc: United States
Could we back up a little bit? Why are you doing what is compelling them to "institutionalize" you? Are you angry/pissed off? Well you have every right to be!! But don't take it out on youself or other people. Channel that anger into something that makes you content/happy.

For instance, sometimes when you're here I've seen you talk to others that are coming here for the first time and you, out of the kindness in your character you have inside of you, despite all that anger and rage that you have, you try to help other people. Now it's sad that you're here in the first place, but when you talk to and counsel scared/desperate first-timers that come here, you're doing something really cool and your anger is a PART of it.

I guess my point is, don't pretend you're not angry, YOU ARE! But use it in a more constructive way, I know you have that in you.

Oh quick question if I may, have you seen your stupid fat stepbrother lately? What's going on with all that? Do you have any contact with them at all anymore? Are you seeing a therapist? I'm sorry if you alrady told us this but I forgot.


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#50840 - 12/06/06 07:45 PM Re: hospitals
Trevor Offline
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Registered: 06/05/06
Posts: 778
Loc: Rhode Island
i know im allowed to
be pissed off an i dont
care who knows it and
thats ovious rite?
its just that sometimes it
takes over and i cant help
wat i say or do then aftr i
feel bad and mostly dont evn
remember what i did.
my stupid ugly gross fat fuck
of a stepbrothr is still around.
i dont see him wen im at my moms
and my sistr dont let him come
over much anymore but sometimes
i see him and it sucks
ya im seeing a therapist

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#50841 - 12/06/06 08:16 PM Re: hospitals
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Registered: 11/12/05
Posts: 2962
Loc: United States
Do you trust him? Do you keep anything back? Are you GLAD to talk to him? Is he helping you?


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#50842 - 12/06/06 08:39 PM Re: hospitals
Trevor Offline
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Registered: 06/05/06
Posts: 778
Loc: Rhode Island
i dont trust anyone
i dont tell him shit
i only go and talk
to him cuz my
sistr wants me
to and NO hes not
helping me. NObody
helps me so i
help myself.

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#50843 - 12/06/06 08:44 PM Re: hospitals
phoster Offline
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Registered: 11/21/03
Posts: 758
Loc: ohio
how's the helping yourself working? how is not trusting anyone working?

the last thing i want is to cause you more pain. you've got enough of that, but at what point do you admit to yourself what you are doing isnt working?

look, i tried dealing with it on my own. sometimes you just can't. sometimes, you have to reach deep, and let someone in. yes, whenever you let someone in, they may hurt you, but if you never let anyone in, you will be very lonely and isolated forever. let's face it, being alone isnt any fun.

naturally he isnt helping. if you dont let him in, he can't.

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#50844 - 12/06/06 09:24 PM Re: hospitals
Trevor Offline
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Registered: 06/05/06
Posts: 778
Loc: Rhode Island
dont wanna talk about
this anymore

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#50845 - 12/07/06 01:53 PM Re: hospitals
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Registered: 11/12/06
Posts: 527
Loc: Marlboro, MA 01752
I was in a locked ward so many times (dual diagnosis) I was just about to get frequent flyer mileage. I had an Oriental shrink who was arrogant and a bitch. I got so mad at her I said something to her in the day room and she jumped up screaming and rushed out. Don't mess with a taurus frog. My peers thought it was wonderful. So did I.

A cynical froggy12. Hmm, I wonder why?
Ever hear a frog lisp?

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#50846 - 12/07/06 02:28 PM Re: hospitals
Trevor Offline
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Registered: 06/05/06
Posts: 778
Loc: Rhode Island
sounds jus like something my
sistr would do.
shes not oriental or a shrink
an shes not real arrogant.
but shes a bitch \:\)

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