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#4995 - 10/10/05 06:04 PM Re: 3 things you'd want others to know
Ivanhoe Offline
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Registered: 03/19/03
Posts: 1907
pUpPy,

It is huge, it is incredibly huge and complex. A lot of times I will sit here trying to be encouraging to someone and I think, "who do I think that I am, offering some small morsal of hope or courage, when this person needs someone of real intelligence and compassion." Sometimes it feels like we try to come up with three things to do before going to bed, before the job interview, before the date, like you've said.
It is incredibly complex.
I know that the other guys kind of got into the request of coming up with three things...and they're spot on with their suggestions, but I hear what you're saying. We're so individual, we're so unique, we are so complex, and what happened to us invades every aspect of our lives. You set a good balance, here, with your comments.

David

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#4996 - 10/10/05 07:39 PM Re: 3 things you'd want others to know
lacansletter Offline
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Registered: 10/04/05
Posts: 67
Loc: St.Petersburg, FL
LFA,
I don't know that I can put it into 3 things but here are a few, in no particular order except appearance in my head:

1-When a survivor says that this affects "everthing", it does not mean just everything psycologically. It is everything in the world that could affect any particular survivor. It is not just disturbing documentaries, it could be a hollywood comedy. It is not just traumatic memories of the abuse, it could be the smell of incense or chicken soup.
2-Abuse is widespread. It happens more than people care to notice. You probably know victims of SA and don't even know it. my T told me today, her estimate is 1 in 3 men!!! It happens to men as well as women.
3-Some of us suffer in quiet, some suffer out loud. I may look ok, act ok, but inside I think I am a mess.
4-I have loving, caring, attentive parents and I was still victimized. It does not just happen to "those types of people". SA knows no socio-economic-racial limits. It has probably happened in your church, in your school or on your street. Care and concern are just one part of prevention, Dialogue and education are key.
5-I WILL get better, this does not define me.
6- SA of boys is not a "homosexual" crime. It is about power and control. It is not a crime of passion or lust; it is one of violence and hatred.
7-Although this has damaged me in ways I may never get over, I can still have loving, healthy relationships.
8-Addiction behavior is a common Symptom. Many times people do not see beyond the symptom to recognize this for the large picture of abuse. Those of us who were initially diagnosed as Drunk, Junkie, Loser, have been done a great disservice by the mental health community who think we simply cannot get our act together.

I hope some of this helps. Thank you for your bravery in confronting this issue and your willingness to educate others.

Jack

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#4997 - 10/11/05 03:51 AM Re: 3 things you'd want others to know
cat lover Offline
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Registered: 10/09/05
Posts: 89
Loc: Denver, Colorado
1. Believe me. Don't tell me that I was not really raped, that it was all in my head, relationship and all.

2. Nourish me and listen to me. Don't diminish what I'm feeling, even a year later, or even two years later. Don't say I should just get over it.

3. Help me rebuild trust by respecting my boundaries at all times, and by treating me with respect at all times. Honor our mutually negotiated agreements. Don't touch me without my permission. Let me love you on the terms that I am able to do.


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#4998 - 10/12/05 09:37 PM Re: 3 things you'd want others to know
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Registered: 04/10/05
Posts: 141
Loc: Ohio, USA
The list could probably go on forever, as we really are each complex and different in our own way. But, here is my shot at it:

1) I am not defined by the abuse, but the abuse did define my early development and socialization. As a child, I had no idea what was happening or how to cope with the aftermath of abuse. So, I struggled with self-identity, sexual identity, other people, and to define my place in the world and my value as a person. All sense of trust was broken, but can be mended, and I was alienated from others, not by choice but by the acts themselves and my own need to feel safe afterward. Never assume a childhood abuse survivor had the same ability to protect themselves as an adult or the mentally capacity to cope with the abuse at the time. I had neither, nor did they magically appear when I reached adulthood. I had to go find them for myself. So, understand I am dealing and let it go at that. Being a victim didn't make me weak, being weak made it easy for me to be a victim. So, watch out for children and help make them stronger.

2) I needn't feel guilty for participating in events over which I never had any control, and it is never a good idea to assume that I was a willing participant even when it seems I was one. The abuse was severely damaging, but at the time, parts of the abuse actually fulfilled needs for love, support, and physical contact even when those things were only lies used by the abuser to gain control over me. I cannot feel guilty for needing to be loved, needing to be supported, or needing physical contact. That is simply part of the human condition that the abuser twisted to get what they wanted. So, love children in a positive way and show them that they are valued, or other adults for that matter.

3) The effects of the abuse still linger and will probably always do so. As a developing child, I was taught the world is bad, people will hurt you if given the chance, love is a lie used to control you, people want you for your body, your body is a commodity that can be used to get what you need or want, feelings have no value, and pain can be swallowed without consequence. These miscues, or bad lessons, are chiseled into the stone without my mind, and it may take a lifetime to undo them. The fact I felt this way does not make me a freak or someone to be feared or despised, as all things can be unlearned and replaced with good thoughts and good lessons. This takes time. Right or wrong, all stimuli from the world outside me is processed through filters that contain the lessons that were once imprinted there. That is not my fault either. I have the propensity to love, to trust, to share, to feel, and to find beauty in the world. Don't ever try to judge me for where I've been or my history without walking a mile in my shoes. You might find it harder than you think, begin to question you own definition of normal, and your definition of strength.

Well, I didn't realize I had all that in me, but I can be longwinded. Oh well. I hope it doesn't sound too stand-offish, but maybe that is just where I am right now.

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#4999 - 10/12/05 09:48 PM Re: 3 things you'd want others to know
Mystic Rhythm Offline
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Registered: 08/12/05
Posts: 96
Loc: Limbo, clawing my way out...
1. A survivor is not alone! There are many out there than can help and encourage a survivor to not only feel accepted for the person he/she is, but also to seek the help that person needs to heal.

2. Women CAN rape men. This isn't a rumor or a joke, it is real. They simply go about it a different way than male abusers, but they can abuse nonetheless.

3. I'm not a freak, nor a loser, nor reject, etc. I am me and I am the best me that I can be right now, and I'm getting better at it as time goes on. I learn and grow and do my share for society; I am good and I wish peace and love onto others, even if I'm struggling to find my own peace and love. Don't abandon me or reject me because I'm different, because everyone is different and noone should ever be abandoned or rejected.

4. Read my quote from Enigma. Says it all.

Aye, good thread indeed. I like these kinds of threads. Quite reaffirming.

MR

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"Don't give up and lose the chance to return to innocence" - Enigma, Return to Innocence

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#5000 - 10/12/05 10:25 PM Re: 3 things you'd want others to know
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Registered: 12/01/04
Posts: 1287
Loc: Arizona
1. I am extremely loving, but I'm afraid to.
2. I'm extremely hopeful, but I don't know why.
3. I stick around because enough love from friends and family gets through my walls to make me believe that one day, if they stay with me long enough, and I try hard enough, I'll be able to finally understand why some of them are smiling.

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#5001 - 10/12/05 10:43 PM Re: 3 things you'd want others to know
Lloydy Offline
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Registered: 04/17/02
Posts: 7071
Loc: England Shropshire
1. I'm not a macho miracle worker, I couldn't do everything on my own. I asked for help, to me that was a miracle.

2. The guilt and shame isn't mine, that belongs to my abusers - not me.

3. When I learned to trust myself again, I trusted other people as well.

Dave

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#5002 - 10/13/05 07:18 AM Re: 3 things you'd want others to know
ak Offline
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Registered: 01/10/04
Posts: 1491
1. I am much more then a 'survivor'. I was a person first. I am person first now also.

2. To be survivor, to have suffered abuse, I do not wish it to be used as 'excuse' for me now. If I do something bad, if I do something wrong, if I hurt someone else, that is of ME, not my past. I am in control now, myself and my life, and I take responsibility, for good or bad I do.

3. It is not just abuse. I am survivor. I can survive anything and will. Perhaps I am more quiet nature. But do you wish really to 'mess with' someone who already survive what I do, what all us here do? Do not 'mess with' me. It may be quiet, it may take time. But you 'mess with' me, I will win.


Andrei


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#5003 - 10/15/05 08:51 PM Re: 3 things you'd want others to know
crisispoint Offline
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Registered: 09/24/03
Posts: 2154
Loc: Massachusetts
1. It happened.
2. People WILL believe you.
3. It WILL get better.

Peace and love,

Scot

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#5004 - 10/17/05 05:36 AM Re: 3 things you'd want others to know
Grunty1967b Offline
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Registered: 07/28/05
Posts: 823
Loc: Australia
I'm in a bit of a low at the moment but I still believe this is true for me:

1. It will always be with me and it will never be over
2. It goes deeper than you think
3. Refer to point 2.


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