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#47659 - 07/05/06 11:09 PM Re: For our Brit friends
reality2k4 Offline
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Registered: 07/06/04
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Rik,

I know its too late now, but if you had me there, I would have taken it up with the appropriate authorites, and believe me, I know how to write letters that they cannot deny.

I lost one court case in the many that I did, but expected that outcome.
You must also have the strength to find the best way forward to keep yr mind safe.

If you pay the 70 it may be worth it, maybe not, but you certainly might regret it.
I too give the kids a teddy at Christmas, what a cool thing to do.

ste

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#47660 - 07/05/06 11:56 PM Re: For our Brit friends
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Rik,

I know I seem like some armchair barrister sometimes, I am just me, and how I think, and how I wouuld present a case before a judge.

Sadly, for you and friends, it was possible to give him a light sentence for his deeds.
The CPS got it wrong yet again, silly old them.

Sadly, you could not have applied for the judges directions, something you may think about!
They will be in the court documents if you specifically apply as plaintiff to the defendent, that you require the sentencing options, as to the said court Judge.

Hey! I am totally mystefied by the judicial outcome of this case.
I cannot even for the life of me, wonder just how a boys life is thrown away like nothing happen.

Judges cannot tell what you went thru' nobody can, but you tell the judge the truth in how he hurt you?

Did you put those mitigating cirmumstances into the prosecution? I guess not.
You should have been given that opportunity on disclore before the trial began.

If you can give the judge a case on how it has affected you over all yr life, he is ore likely to impose a sentence fitting to the crime.

How many of us could scream out at a judge and asy, hey, you never even been there, but I have.
And if you fancy a one-way trip thru Hell, then go ahead.

Sorry for the rant,

ste

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#47661 - 07/06/06 02:57 PM Re: For our Brit friends
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As you both know I am attending a meeting next week at the Department of Health. Could i ask you is there anything specific you would like me to ask or put forward? I will be taking along some of the postings from you both (and any other brits frequenting this message board) on this board if that is agreeable to each of you.

I am not taking part in this just for my benefit but for those that are to unfortunately follow, so thinking caps on guys and let me have your comments either on here or by PM.

Cheers

Kirk
"Lets grab this bull by the horns and swing it about a bit"


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#47662 - 07/07/06 10:20 PM Re: For our Brit friends
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Kirk - you can use any post that I have ever made here!

I hope you received the return copy of the questionnaire & that it was some good!

What I would request that you raise, is the total inability of anyone in the Judiciary, Health Organisations, Charitable Organisations, CPS etc to realise the real impact that paedophiles have! I have mentioned some of these issues in the questionnaire!

1/ Doctors - after walking into my doctor's surgery in the midst of a breakdown, a - he did not even realise that I was having a breakdown. b - he was totally out of his depth in knowing how to react when I told him why I was there (events from 34 years previous). c - he asked me if I was OK after talking to him for 5 minutes (oh yes I'll just go and top myself thanks, I feel wonderful). d - psychological support is practically none existant. I was offered referal to a Clinical Psychologist & waited 3 months for an appointment to come through, 6 further months for the actual appointment! How many people die on these waiting lists because they cannot cope? I was saved by my employer - most employers would probably just sack someone in a similar state to what I was.

It may be the department of health, but surely there must be some influence on the rest of government & therefore the judiciary. What needs to happen when an abuse survivor comes forward, and makes a statement, is that they should receive frequent updates about what is happening.

They should be made aware of relevant local support services / help groups, or at least told there aren't any.

Witness Support (police) - I was allocated an officer that was supposed to keep me informed of case developments. He went sick. They replaced him with someone else. He went sick. Got a third one that was reasonably OK. Most of the time (15 months) leading up to the actual first day in court, I had to ring Detectives and other contacts within the police that I made myself, to get any sort of update. I was going mental, and hardly anyone was telling me what was happening!


I received more communication from members of the police force that were not directly dealing with the case, than I did from anyone else. They were actually concerned about me, and really glad that I had found the courage to come forward and nail the pervert.

The CPS never contacted me before the first day in court! I consider that to be like going into war with a rifle that haas never been tested - how did they know I would not backfire on them.

I never got to speak to the prosecution barrister before, during or after the case - why not?
I was just a statistic to the judicial system! Once they had my statement no one directly asked me for my opinions of what should happen in court.

I was just a statistic during the wholly inaccurate summing up! It was so atrocious that there were more wrongly stated facts during the summing up.

There should be a written national policy that dictates exactly what communication should take place between Complainant / Witness / Protection / CPS and Prosecution Barrister. This should be written out in a formal document, and presented to the complainant at the time of making a statement. That would alleviate a lot of fear of the unknown for the complainant. The complainant and Witness Protection should review the document at e.g. monthly intervals. If you want witnesses to come forward, if you really want to extinguish paedophiles, then you must support the complaiants. They are raising statements regarding events that are the last taboo in society - it is not easy to do so!

Best wishes...Rik

*PS - any suggestions for burning off a few mega watts of energy?

Mitigating circumstances that are stated in court, are not mitigating circumstances. The judge did not state if he had taken into account, so called mitigating circumstances, which included:

*My parents are dead.
*I may loose my housing association home if I go to prison.
*I would suffer without my medication.
None of the above is a mitigating circumstance and the judge should have said so.

The Judge should loose his job for allowing the Defence Barrister to say: 'He's an elderly gentleman answering for indiscretions from long ago!' without challenging the statement. This is the main reason that I now have more problems in my mind than before I went to court. This is why I am devloping social phobia, because I trusted the whole process when I took this to court. Instead of being rewarded fro that trust, I now know that I was not abused by a multiple grooming, multiple abusing paedophile, it was just some indiscretions that a gentleman shared with me! I don't know whre my mind will end up with this one, because the more I try to forget it, the more I try to convince myself it's only words, the more I know that I was totally failed by the official system. Tell me what message does that send out to Survivors? Do you really want people to seek their own justice! I would not condemn anyone for doing so!
Please take my comments, and if they have any specific questions they would like to ask me, I will answer any that I consider relevant.

The main thing they need to know is that I was let down as a kid. The kid thought he had found a voice. The people that he thought had ears didn't really! The kid is still angry,because the People in Authority didn't really listen to him after all - just another form of abuse again in court! What did he really expect? How does that kid now how vent his anger as he cannot take out on others, so the adrenalin just builds and builds! Will it eventually drive him completely mad?

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#47663 - 07/07/06 10:24 PM Re: For our Brit friends
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Bit of a hiccup with cut & paste there, but the content is all there!

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#47664 - 07/09/06 11:51 PM Re: For our Brit friends
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I just wish that I could really believe that someone that represented either side, or even the 'independant judge' in that courtroom had actually read my statement and fully understood it!

I really wish that my biggest fear had come true, and that I had been forced to appear in the witnesss box. That would at least have given me the opportunity to say exactly what abuse had taken place, and what impact it had! The perv pleaded guilty at the last moment (first day of trial...late afternoon...we were there from 09:30 am) because the judge was going to allow a 3rd persons evidence to be used to show 'similar behaviour'. The perv did not want to have the details 'argued' in court. I was openly sobbing on my way out of court, and all the way home, because the bastard had finally admitted what he had done!

I can't tell you what relief I felt at this point.... it was like all my doubts, all my worries had been justified. It took a couple of days (well about 9/10), and I actually started to feel good...something I hadn't felt for a very long time!

We went back to court a couple of weeks later to hear what the sentence would be! Proceedings were slow again that day, and I was in the witness house again (as I had been on the original trial date). Rumour came across that the perv was trying to withdraw his plea! I couldn't believe it (no I'm not Victor Meldrew). We finally got the bastard in front of the Judge at around 17:15 (the judge worked back). The judge came out with some comment that declared the pervs request for a plea withdrawal as invalid. Again, I felt some sort of elation...but it wasn't a high, because we had to go back to court again (the Judge didn't want to make a quick decision on the sentence, because he needed time to think and achieve the correct result! I sat there for 7 hours and 15 minutes, not knowing if it was over (similar to the first day...if you haven't been there, you don't know what that feels like), believing that it was going to trial after thinking it was over on the first day in court. Was the bastard torturing me or what? Could the judiciary see that? Did they ****ing care? No they did not - 'Mr Fowler' you did plead guilty! Maybe you did then you tried to withdraw that plea - why should you be given any consideration for a guilty plea?????

What a ****ing joke! If that is the best the judge can come up with after thinking about it...he wants to stop thinking....armed with another brain cell, he'd be completely dangerous!

Sorry if this sounds like a rant again. If you met me in reality, I am the most easy going person on the planet, but paedophiles just make my teeth want to rip!


The Perv
To know what the bastard had done, people would have had to read my statement (9 pages of A4 when typed...many more in the original hand written version. A4 usually averages around 300-350 words per page when typed...standard font / typical vocabulary.

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