Kirk,

firstly, we should not be driven by the media, hysteria that is kicked up and kicked down our throats day in day out.

Then we get the public baying for blood from the Government that has done nothing positive about perps for as long as I can remember.

Knee jerk reaction is not the way to go, I have tossed this around in my head for so long, and cannot really come up with anything suitable to help kids tell.

Politicians are not going to come up with an answer, they cause the hysteria in the first place, and now they are caught up in something they cannot crawl out of.

Rik, your case totally baffled me, the plea bargain is done by him admitting to guilt, and not have to put a jury through a trial.

But he did put the plaintiffs through hurt by subsequent denials in the court.
In Liverpool he would have almost certainly gone down.

A judge cannot see inside you, he doesnt and cannot share your hurt on the matter.
He would rather think, Oh! These guys should have got over it by now.

Maybe, you could start by teaching them, what it really is like to be a victim of historic abuse.
You should also tell them that abusers never just stop doing it at a certain time or age.

Then we come to the sexist element which tells us that boys dont get hurt!
Demand a debriefing off that barrister, and ask him why he did not feel that an appeal was in order.

Those are some of the questions I would be asking, but anyhow you have wounded the perp pretty bad,

ste

Ste

With all due respect if it was not for the media we would not know the extent of CSA in the UK, remember the seventies? CSA did not happen and very rarely was it reported. If we were at this point (with it being seriously discussed by the powers that be) during those dark days of denial by the authorities would we not be further down the road as what to do with sexual predators?

"Then we get the public baying for blood from the Government that has done nothing positive about perps for as long as I can remember".

Completely agree and it is through the public pressure brought about by the tabloids that the government appear (a big word that) to be doing something .... and that has got to be better than doing nothing. Do you really think single lobbying would spur our leaders into action? I very much doubt it somehow.

As to plea bargaining of course it does go on, my abuser Randall held his hand up to a more recent assault (under the advice from his defence team) to stop me getting into the witness box and by my evidence linking him with King, Denning, the Walton Hop et al. He got five years on the SOR and a £300 fine and still no justice for me by not being able to tell the world in open court what this pervert did to me.

Kirk

"Lets grab this bull by the horns and swing it about a bit"

Kirk,

all the media are doing is spurring the Government to put a small plaster on a pretty much cancerous growth.

You talk earlier about being able to spot the signs, so can I, and everyone in this place.
The ones who matter eg, parents, teachers, doctors would not have a clue.

Social workers who find it, have nowhere to send the kid for help, nor do doctors.
When abuse is reported, a kid or even adult, should be assessed by a specialist team and given the right treatment.

Dont blame the judges too harshly, they are given guidelines by the Government on sentencing, unless you havent paid your taxes, which is an automatic jail sentence.

Colin Inglis would still be covered up, if not for our friend who demanded his head.
He was reported in teh Mail as a councillor, not head of police authority as I remember.

He was the one who blew up the pedo ring operating in Yorkshire schools if I remember rightly.
Now he is pleading Not Guilty, at Leeds CC, not Hull where he lives.

You know his background only too well, and I am watching this baby pretty closely, and will be very interested in how well the media publish his 'real' background.

Keep track on that one,

ste

Ste

"Social workers who find it, have nowhere to send the kid for help, nor do doctors.
When abuse is reported, a kid or even adult, should be assessed by a specialist team and given the right treatment."

Absoloutly and that is why I am going to push this subject as hard as I can at this meeting next week, there are people in government who really do understand the problem, Professor Catherine Itzin who is heading the VVAPP is a survivor herself. These are the people in the background beavering away for positive change and that positive change has been powered by the publics response to the tabloids, if it was not for the tabloids our politician would be even more removed from "Real Life" than they already are. as my local MP said to me when I met with him just before christmas I quote "I did not realise how problematic CSA was". I then asked him if we was aware of any MPs that had suffered CSA in their childhood, his repose to that was "I doubt very much if they would talk about that" "exactly" I replied and then it hit him like a ton of bricks ...... a moment of supreme enlightenment

Colin Inglis, yes I am watching how this progresses.

Kirk
"Lets grab this bull by the horns and swing it about a bit"

Kirk,

if you can get anything positive, that is the main point that help is there at source.
That alone would save many kids turning into criminals or worse.

They are training 750 CBT therapists, but it will take 7 years to train them, a small step into the future, but necessary.

I have just posted an interesting article on Inglis in news.
Significantly, this has been covered up by those, high up in the police force, maybe even as far as ministerial level.

This perv would not be on trial without Phoenix demanding a trial.
How? can we trust a Government that goes on covering up organised pedo rings???

Thats my 0.02 cents,

ste

Becuase no doubt there are paedophiles within the Westminster Village, thats why Blair slamed D notices on one minsiter and one ex minister that were caught up in Operation Ore. There are thousands that work within government around Westminster just by the law of averages there must be some perps in there somewhere. They are in every other walk of life why not politics.

Looking and reading about Counsellor Inglis gives me the creeps.

Kirk
"Lets grab this bull by the horns and swing it about a bit"

Inglis is still on trial tomorrow, I wish I could take the coach to just stare at it, in the box.

That would be something for him to remember.

Perps go for high up jobs, because they can be protected from the top.
How about a public enquiry into yet another coverup by authorities.

How can you or I trust a Government that continually hides them right the way down the ranks.

The biggest cover up, is us, the ones who have been through it, with NO help!

I await the media response to this little pile of sh*t,

ste

Ste - you are right, a judge cannot see inside of me!

What I can say is that the Witness protection Officers, CPS, The Honorary Judical Recorder, The Trial Judge, The Attorney Generals Office, several cronies of the Judiciary that answered my letters because the Judiciary didn't have the guts to do so themselves, and several additional members of the police force know exactly how I feel! As you can see, I am no longer the type to keep quiet - reamaining silent did me no favours whatsoever!

I tried to educate every single one of the above, that perps do not stop! They were obviously so ashamed that a common ignoramus such as myself told them that the perp was still using the same modus operandi in 2004 (they didn't have to look far for that information, as it was right in front of them), whilst they were claiming 'no proof of any further crimes since 1977. I shamed them by stating that The Prosecution had already claimed 'similar behavior' in court, in January, thus allowing a 3rd witness statement to be used as evidence!

That's why I received very poor responses to my letters, because they could not answer any of my questions, neither could they fault my observations! By pointing out the facts of the case, I basically (politely) told them that they were rubbish at there jobs!

I have zero respect for the Judiciary (including the Attorney General), and there is little that they can now do to change my view.

Kirk - make sure when you go to the WAPP meeting next week, you tell it how it is! Don't let anyone try to shut you up! Hope you make good progress!

Best wishes ....Rik

Rik,

you can pay for a copy of the minutes of the court case, and maybe between three, it would be worth having.

Ask the court officer to give you the address of whoever does the court minutes.

Obviously from what you say, the court had not taken into account his recent behaviour, and may for some reason found it unproved.

The CPS should be on the cartoon network, the biggest f*cker uppers on this planet.
Time and time again they get chided by judges over ludicrous cases they put before the judiciary.

They should have their own internet site for us to laugh at the things they get up to.

We were all hurt by this lack of sentence, not just you guys.
It should be compulsory for all agencies to visit this site for a week.

Not many would walk so easily after that, providing they could stomach it.

Just a note on the AG, I asked him to review sentencing on Denning, on the grounds that he was a known perp who had until recently been head of a pedo ring.

Not a chance, he still upheld teh decision of four years for historic abuse.
But, no doubt they will be keeping a close watch on him when he gets out.

One final note, a 29yo from Bolton, has just been jailed for life indefinitely .
He was identified by a tattoo, on an abuse video circulating on the net.

What a catch,

ste

Ste - I already have the adress for the summative minutes and could reasonably pay the £70 expected cost. I just believe that there are better things I can do with the money.

I am still collecting toys for deprived kids for Christmas! I am buying something every month! I think that I am better off spending money on that, because it will actually do some good!

I'll keep hammering away at the media, because that is the best way I can vent at present!

Maybe someday in the future I'll end up on Richard & Judy...they would probably listen! They've done quite well with their book club, by getting people interested in reading (another suggestion for the Authors on this site). Maybe they would get the public interested in the realities of abuse. Maybe that would put more pressure on the judicial process!

I know that I am a fighter now (maybe I always was). I've fought a few battles, I just need to realise what my strategy is going forward. If I am to be forever bogged down by this, then I will not have won. There's an arena out there just waiting to be used.. it's just getting the right admission ticket to get in there and get the ball rolling!

As children, we deserved so much more! Somehow, we need to ensure that the next generation does not suffer as we have!

Best wishes ...Rik