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#47639 - 07/04/06 12:36 PM Re: For our Brit friends
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Kirk,

I know that I must be on a whole load of lists.
My family almost split up because of me, and I dont know where that would have ended up, my father wanted me to be taken into care.

We find ourselves in waves of hysteria and emotion, because of a heinous act carried out on a baby.

The media, who I have no time for, urge Government reaction, and point out the level of sex offenders in the community.

The SOR is a tool to tell the public that they are catching sex offenders, when you dont even have to be charged with an offence to be on it.

I have yet to hear of one police 'initiative', to really trap child predators, who rampage through society, often highly regarded by all.

One predator alone can cause a billion pounds worth of damage, without taking into account the mental damage and loss that the kids go through, and their families, well into the future.

The tagging thing is futuristic, but they already have the technology, just like they chip dogs.

All the technology in the world is not going to trace little Johnnys dad who regular abuses him and his friends for decades.

The cops and Government need to stop hiding behind the SOR, it is sure not a measure of anything they are pro-active in doing, it is a bunch of statistics which allows them to take public money by stealth.

I rang the cops over organised dog fighting on the beach by me, ten minutes later they turned up in a van sirens blazing.

They sat in the car park and guessed it was too far to walk, so they turned back.
I reported it to the RSPCA who said they have to rely on the cops to catch them.

WTF, when I read that another pet has been ripped apart, when they had a big opportunity to catch them all together.

Then they ask the public to ring the cops if they have information!
Guess I am not public, or cops dont know what public means.

They need to get off their big fat asses and get some exercise, it never did me any harm.
Sorry for the rant.

I have the Tonight prog recorded if anybody wants it, I dont know if Ken was on it, I have still to watch it, but if anyone wants it, I can post a link in a few days,

ste

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#47640 - 07/04/06 01:43 PM Re: For our Brit friends
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I read Ken's message just before the programme started & rushed downstairs to watch. Bad programme. Ken not on it. Really needed input along the lines of what Ken says in his posting. But I guess they weren't going to give space to a complex and balanced discussion. Tom.


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#47641 - 07/04/06 02:40 PM Re: For our Brit friends
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There is not much to say in a half hour show.

I just got my faith back in the police after hearing a chief inspector who wrapped his own car around a lamp post in an effort to bravely stop two thugs.

Those thugs threw a twig in the road as his car passed, he quickly reversed onto the sidewalk and hit an innocent street light passing by.

Two little girls who threw a twig at his car, turned him into a wild animal, and he grabbed them both by the throat and mouthing expletives that he should be, teaching kids not to do.

He is such a credit to the force, almost the same credit should go to the cops who jailed a thug for two days for riding his bike with no lights on the sidewalk .

I am re-assured yet again that the cops really are making the world a little safer, NOT!

ste

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#47642 - 07/04/06 10:40 PM Re: For our Brit friends
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I watched the program, although I missed the first 5 minutes. To be honest, it was so lightweight, it was practically meaningless. I didn't see Ken either (unless he was using a pseudonym).

The best thing the program did, was keep the ball in the public arena.

I wouldn't bother tagging paedophiles - I'd just keep them in jail!

There have been several 'high profile' paedophiles in the media, one of which only served around 12 years in prison for abducting, drugging, sexually abusing, sharing said abuse with others, then killing a young boy. He got off with manslaughter for crimes that were so obviously premeditated. Why should such a 'creature' ever be free to walk the streets!

My cure (as I've said before)would be free helicopter rides, with the paedophile being 'dropped off' from a great height, at a suitable location (e.g. shark infested ocean / rocky beach etc). Yes I agree, there are differing levels of paedophilia, but the worst deserve no mercy! *And I'm not a violent person.

Do-gooders keep these paedophiles out of prison!

When I went to court, I waited in the Witness House on the first day. There was lots of literature lying around. I picked up a leaflet on prevention of child abuse printed by a very well known child protection agency.

One of the first things I read was: 'Abusers are not monsters'! Well sorry, **** off - they are, and that charity will never receive another donation from me! Protecting children? The first thing they do is excuse the bastards that destroy children. Sorry, but I have absolutely had enough of anyone making excuses for those ********! They have no right to do what they do!

Best wishes ...Rik

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#47643 - 07/04/06 10:56 PM Re: For our Brit friends
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Ste - just to add, I never even got to speak to the CPS Barrister! That is one of the many things I do not understand. So no, there was no debrief!

The Judge, Defence and Prosecution Barristers all got things completely wrong in the summing up!

You may remember, I complained to Witness Protection, CPS, Crown Recorder, Trial Judge, Attorney General and they all just covered each others backs. I told them exactly why I was complaining, and not one of them answered anything that I asked.

Remember he walked out of court as 'An elderly gentleman answering for indiscretions from long ago'. I am still waiting to meet him in the street (he's obviously in hiding) and tell him exactly what he is! I don't care who hears me - if I get locked up for telling him what he is, then that would make a very good story in the media, when he only got a suspended sentence for multiple grooming and abusing of children because the crimes were historical. The ******* will probably dead before his more recent victims find the courage to come forward!

I don't much care about what the government may be doing in the background, I want to see them do things in reality. Remeber this is the government that signed up wholesale to the European Humans Rights Act, that denies decent citizens their rights whilst giving criminals every right under the sun. Oh, and the Prime Ministers Wife makes a fortune from what - representing human rights cases in court!

Best wishes...Rik

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#47644 - 07/04/06 11:27 PM Re: For our Brit friends
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Rik

Could not agree with you more and it is very true that it would not catch Johnnys dad who had been abusing him for decades and these are the Survivors that need the help and support the most, we know it can take years (if lucky) to disclose, if ever, abuse within the family. can we try and look at it another way what if a young single mum meets a charmng guy at the local watering hole and a long term relationship ensures. (point taken from reality2k4 about not resgistering) it would sure help her and her young child to know in advance if a pervert has wormed his way into their family. I am also approaching this from a grandafthers perspective. I want to know where any threat may be to my grandchildren not only now that they are very young but when they are older too. I also know that the likely hood of them becoming a Survivor is very small as I am sure I would be able to spot the difference in behaviour, but by that time any damage would have been done. I (and us all) know how manipulative and palusable these predators are. Ok maybe I was one of the unlucky ones. Fair enough but I do not want to take any chances with my grandchildrens upbringing (and wellbeing) in anyway, shape or form.

Lets put it this way if any pervert laid a hand on any of my grandchildren, they would not have to lock him up, support his Human Rights, treat him, they would have to bury or cremate him. I dont particularly fancy doing a life stretch as I wish to see my grandchildrn grow up and be part of that. But I would, I know how much damage these actions can do.

Kirk
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#47645 - 07/04/06 11:34 PM Re: For our Brit friends
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Rik,

[QUOTE]I don't much care about what the government may be doing in the background, I want to see them do things in reality. Remeber this is the government that signed up wholesale to the European Humans Rights Act, that denies decent citizens their rights whilst giving criminals every right under the sun. [/QUOTE

Please do not get the human rights act tied up with our laws.
It is every citizens right to challenge English law not just perps.

It is a birthrite and it stops ppl being sent home to be killed, or tortured, but it is a catch all law, but we cannot repeal human rights law, it is impossible to deny human rights.

I cannot get my head around your case, but I think I offered you a submission to the judge.
Dont get me wrong, but the Judge saw you and the others as ordinary guys like he meets in the street.

How can he see the stress and bad things that happen in yr life when you meet a child predator!
But trials in court are just that, they just have to be exported beyond the judiciary.

If the judiciary could fathom the hurt of a kid, historic or not, then they may take a differing view of historical abuse, and the main thing to think about, is that, they can only pass law on the perios it happened.

I guess it had little punishment back then, but your perp will be known for what he did, and he will suffer.

What! Sort of trial by the Crown court can progress to conviction without having access to your counsel, but you must have agreed to the plea bargaining off his counsel.

Sorry Rik, money is more powerful than words right now,

ste

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#47646 - 07/04/06 11:50 PM Re: For our Brit friends
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Originally posted by Kirk Wayne:
Rik

Could not agree with you more and it is very true that it would not catch Johnnys dad who had been "abusing him for decades" and these are the Survivors that need the help and support the most, we know it can take years (if lucky) to disclose, if ever, abuse within the family.

Can we try and look at it another way as well?

What if a young single mum meets a charmng, financially secure guy at the local watering hole and a long term relationship ensures? Point taken from reality2k4 about not resgistering. It would sure help her and her young child to know in advance if a pervert has wormed his way into their family.

Remember that the Sarahs Law that they are thinking of bringing in will only allow interested parties (and those of good past character ... well bang go my chances of asking) have the info (maybe that will not include perpsective boy/girlfriends), but if someone recognised this offender, they would not be able to disclose the details concerning the future partner of said young lady. If a neighbour said to her, "your new boyfriend is on the SOR" she could (according to Sir John Stevens, ex head of The Met) recieve a very, heavy punishment.

In my experience abusers do not just abuse once I have read that it can be as few (too many)as 8 before they are caught (researchers have obviously not heard of Chris Denning, Jonathan King, Rob Randall and others)and these guys are not in the minority .... we all know that

I am also approaching this from a grandfathers perspective. I want to know where any threat may be to my grandchildrens welfare not only now that they are very young but when they are older too. I also know that the likelyhood of them becoming a Survivor is very small as I am sure I would be able to spot the difference in behaviour, but by that time any damage would have been done. I (and us all) know how manipulative and palusable these predators are.

Ok maybe I was one of the unlucky ones. Fair enough but I do not want to gamble with my grandchildrens upbringing (and physical, emotional & spiritual wellbeing) in any way, shape or form.

Lets put it this way if any pervert laid a hand on any of my grandchildren, they would not have to lock him up, support his Human Rights, treat him or castrate him. They would have to bury or cremate him. I dont particularly fancy doing a life stretch as I wish to see my grandchildren grow up and be part of that. But I would ..........

I know how much damage these perverted crimes can do.

Kirk
"Lets grab this bull by the horns and swing it about a bit"



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#47647 - 07/04/06 11:57 PM Re: For our Brit friends
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I am not shouting BTW seems my keyboard is stuck on bold......

Obviously corrected itself.

Kirk
"Lets grab this bull by the horns and swing it about a bit"


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#47648 - 07/05/06 12:08 AM Re: For our Brit friends
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Ste -

Quote "but you must have agreed to the plea bargaining off his counsel"!

What plea bargaining? Again, I am absoultely as unaware of any plea bargaining that may have taken place as the man on the moon?

If anyone told me that plea bargaining had taken place, I can assure you all hell would be let loose! That is just further abuse by the judiciary, and no one would have got my permission for that I can assure you.

I don't understand how I can have had so little involvement in a case that only ever existed, because I complained to the police! They identified that there was a serious problem, both due to listening to my initial complaint, and then taking out a recognition exercise in 2004! They were so concerned in 2004 after taking out the recognition exercise, that they wanted my full statement immediately! In court 'there is no evidence of any crime being committed after 1977' (mine was 1969). BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT and again as many times as you like!

I've mentioned before, that if historical crimes receive historical sentences, then someone in our country should be getting hung pretty soon! Hanging may be abolished, but if hanging was the sentence for the crime when it was committed, then that would be the sentence now! Spot the precedent! The law disappears up its own ****, and cannot even defend itself! I may be a common layman, but I can spot all these injustices that educated idiots seem to have such a problem with!

The only way that the judiciary and government ever seem to wake up to reality, is when that reality strikes close to home! Hence, recently an MP that was burgled decides that we should all be entitled to keep tazer guns in our homes!

The sort of human rights that I disagree with, are 'creatures' serving life sentences for crimes against humanity, that are given libraries in their cells, given private gymnasiums, given free porn. Given a right to a private / family life. Given a right to go unhindered. Given all of those rights when they have denied others those rights. Yes there are aspects of the human rights laws that protect those that need protection, but I am sure you must be aware of the money that is made by lawyers in this country protecting (using those human rights laws) those that deserve less than zero protection. Rights are one thing, but no rights without responsibility!


Best wishes ...Rik

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