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#463632 - 04/03/14 10:07 PM New MJ Album Includes Song About Child Sex Abuse
Jude Offline


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New Michael Jackson Album to Include Song About Child Sex Abuse
The new song, entitled Do You Know Where Your Children Are, tells the story of a 12-year-old girl who runs away from her abusive stepfather and turns to prostitution. In one of the song's verses Jackson sings: 'She wrote that she is tired of step-daddy using her/Saying that he’ll buy her things, while sexually abusing her. The chorus continues: 'Do you know where your children are? Because it's now twelve o'clock/If they're somewhere out on the street just imagine how scared they are.'

It is one of eight tracks recorded by the singer before his death in June 2009 at the age of 50 which will feature on the new album Xscape, set to be released in May.

In the mid 1990s Jackson was accused of sexual abuse by the family of a 13-year-old boy Jordan Chandler. The case was settled out of court for about $25 million and no formal charges were brought against the singer. In 2005, Jackson was tried and acquitted of further child sexual abuse allegations and several other charges after a jury in Santa Maria, California, found him not guilty on all counts. Dancer Wade Robson is suing Jackson's estate after claiming that he suffered sexual abuse over several years at the hands of The King Of Pop. A hearing is due to take place in June.

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#463673 - 04/04/14 05:48 PM Re: New MJ Album Includes Song About Child Sex Abuse [Re: Jude]
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I went to Youtube and checked it out.

The album cover weirded me out, the gunshot at the beginning freaked a bit, and the song is in POOR taste, especially when it says something like, "girl, let down your hair, I'll tell ya' where the money is..." And identifies the subject as a twelve year old.

But the world will dance to the beat, consider the song a work of art and a social statement. I tuned out most of the song and I am certain because of mj's accusations, I am biased.

But I think it SUCKS that his estate will make millions from child porn sung to a rhythmic beat. Not cutting edge. Not cool. Not original. Child abuse has been around since at least when I was 4 years old. And I do think this guarantees that his memory will forever be associated with child abuse....no doubt about it.

Thanks, Jude. Interesting stuff.


Edited by ThisMan (04/09/14 11:39 PM)
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#463756 - 04/06/14 03:36 PM Re: New MJ Album Includes Song About Child Sex Abuse [Re: Jude]
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I found it nauseating that after his last legal battle on sex charges he fled to an Islamic State where the whole Barzai boys thing is winked at. Much like Afghanistan.

He wasn't even trying to hide what he was.
And his defeders refuse to concede who and what he was to this day no matter what evidence is presented.
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#463901 - 04/09/14 04:23 PM Re: New MJ Album Includes Song About Child Sex Abuse [Re: Jude]
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What if the people accusing him are just looking for money?
We weren't there, we don't really know what happened.
So I'm not just going to convict him and say if there's smoke, there's fire...
Though i was surprised to hear they put a song like that on the album..
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#463910 - 04/09/14 05:41 PM Re: New MJ Album Includes Song About Child Sex Abuse [Re: Sven]
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Originally Posted By: Sven
We weren't there, we don't really know what happened.

Precisely.
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#463916 - 04/09/14 09:37 PM Re: New MJ Album Includes Song About Child Sex Abuse [Re: Jude]
ThisMan Offline
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I agree guys. We don't know if mj was guilty or not. That is why I referred to my bias as being based on the accusations of abuse…plus his admittance, if I remember correctly- and I may not- of sleeping with the little boys during their overnight stays.

But I do remember that Dottie said her husband's accusers were only after money as well. And I have read that others said the same about those abused within the churches.

You know why I didn't proceed with legal charges against my abuser? The state police detective said to me, "No one was there. It is your word against his." So based on my experiences, I am choosing not to question the authenticity of the accusers. I know personally how that demeans and defames the victim. We see the victims of sexual assault continuously degraded by our assumptions it was their fault, or they are seeking money.

I don't want to sound upset, self-righteous, or "preachy", but before we agree or suggest a possible victim is after money, we need to think about our own story and those of the ones who have been demonized who have come forward.

This is a safe place and we have no idea who may read our words and become discouraged in coming forward publicly with their sexual abuse because we unintentionally discredit them with our remarks, albeit by accident.

Now.. regarding the song. I find it to be a distasteful piece of music and I stick with my view that the estate is preparing to reap $$$ from child porn set to music. I just don't like it! And yes, others will think it edgy and perhaps appreciate the hidden message I missed (I did, after all, tune out most of it.)


Edited by ThisMan (04/09/14 11:42 PM)
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#464034 - 04/13/14 10:18 AM Re: New MJ Album Includes Song About Child Sex Abuse [Re: Jude]
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I'm saying I don't know if it happened. Maybe it did, but i don't know.
I'm not questioning those kids motives... But i do question their parents motives.
I'm just hesitant to convict him just because someone's parents accused him of something and then settled for a lot of money...
If you really thought he did those things ... Wouldn't you have taken him to court regardless?
I don't know... It's complicated
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#464123 - 04/15/14 02:29 PM Re: New MJ Album Includes Song About Child Sex Abuse [Re: Jude]
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Registered: 05/26/10
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No, actually, it's just *not* that complicated.

I've followed many child molestation cases in the news, and in *every* case that's made the news that I've read about, there are plenty of "people" who come out of the woodwork to accuse the accusers of being money grubbing scum grubbing for "Ca$h."

In my own case I was directly accused of this by several people even though I'd made clear statements that I had not filed civil suit, and was clear that the statute of limitations for me to do so had long since lapsed, AND that in any case, I had no intention to do so.

In the State of California, CRIMINAL statutes of limitations are VERY short; as we all know, often we don't talk about the abuse until we're well into adulthood. In California, If you're in your late 20's it's too late to file criminal charges (limitation is BEFORE your 28th birthday), and therefore the ONLY recourse is to file civil charges (Lawsuits -- money grubbing, if you're inclined to believe the child molester over the accuser) and even then, you only have a couple of short years after you "realized" that the abuse actually harmed you in order to file civil charges.

Any derision of disbelief of accusers (or their parents) because they've filed civil suits in California is frankly irresponsible.

One final point:
If you're not on the jury or the Judge in the matter, having the *opinion* that someone like MJ is probably guilty is NOT the equivalent of "convicting" someone.

MJ had in his possession (and documented as court evidence) the same nude boy books that the perp who molested me had in his possession -- I, for one am certain that MJ is guilty of the crimes for which he has been repeatedly accused. YOU may not think that that's not fair of me... If so, I'm here to tell you that your opinion about *that* is incorrect.



Edited by Canuck (04/15/14 02:38 PM)

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#464294 - 04/20/14 10:35 AM Re: New MJ Album Includes Song About Child Sex Abuse [Re: Jude]
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There are certain hallmarks and patterns that can tell you the truth. Studies of pedophiles generally find that the vast majority are not "one-time" perps. In fact one study suggests that the average pedophile racks up over 100 victims in a lifetime. Usually victims will keep coming forward when the time and pressure comes to a head for them.

You see it in the Sandusky affair. It wasn't just one and even as the trial commenced, an adopted son with rampant red flags who had defended Sandusky switched his tune and came out about his own abuse. The pattern is reported back to the 70s. And I still say Paterno had a reputation for an almost KGB like operation as to keeping tabs on those in his program. It would have been out of character to put it mildly for him not to have known.

It shows up in the MJ case as well, with consistent rumors and accusations coming out over time. The former defender Wade Robson switching his testimony is but one sign. His own admission that he slept naked with other people's boys. To say it is murky and solely (humans are doing this so money is likely somewhat a factor) a money driven accusation is a diehard supporter's conclusion.

When it comes to money, that accusation is trotted out in every type of litigation. People horribly disfigured by the most egregious behavior almost always face this. The accused has a right to their defense. In the legal field, there is a saying:

When you have the law, pound the law;
When you have the facts, pound the facts;
When you have neither, pound the table.

The greed argument is usually pounding the table.
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#464620 - 04/26/14 08:43 PM Re: New MJ Album Includes Song About Child Sex Abuse [Re: Jude]
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ok.. well appereantly im not allowed to have opinions on the matter (unless its yours of course) so i suppose i won't try to explain myself any further
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