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#463301 - 03/28/14 03:50 AM Sleep medication
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Was not sure where to post this, so I guess this seemed the best choice. I thought there used to be a health forum or something like that? Anyways...

I've seen my general doctor yesterday about sleep medication and he was reluctant at first until he heard how many hours i've been sleeping the past few weeks (3-5 hours or nothing).
So from what I understand is that most sleep medication is highly addictive and only works for a couple of weeks?
He mentioned a couple of names like Temazepam and Zolpidem if i remember correctly.

Does anyone here have experience with this stuff? Or knows of a good site where I can read about the pro's and con's of every med? It would of course be preferable if it doesn't make you drowsy during the day...

Any advice is welcome!
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#463303 - 03/28/14 04:39 AM Re: Sleep medication [Re: Sven]
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Hey Sven,

Glad you're seeking help from your doctor. These two sites may be of help to you. I have no experience with either of those two drugs but I am on a benzo like Temazepam and sometimes use it to sleep. It helps.

http://www.drugs.com/temazepam.html

http://www.drugs.com/zolpidem.html

I do know drugs effect different people differently, so you may have to do some experimenting on yourself to find what works for you.

Hope someone here can give you the info you want!

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Edited by Cthulhu (03/28/14 04:40 AM)
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#463308 - 03/28/14 07:55 AM Re: Sleep medication [Re: Sven]
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Be mindful of the high addiction potential of benzo drugs. Have you tried weaker stuff like Tylenol PM, or even warm milk or a glass of wine before bed?
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#463324 - 03/28/14 01:01 PM Re: Sleep medication [Re: Sven]
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I dont really want to get in the habit of drinking before bedtime.
I have tried warm milk, milk banana smoothies, exercise, warm showers, no tv/laptop before going to bed, mind relaxing exercises, etc. But nothing worked so far.
And I know sleep medication is only to be used for a couple of weeks or so but who knows, maybe it's the break i need. I NEED to get some sleep somehow, even if its just to get trough my finals at school in may. I can't afford to fail.
I have another appointment monday where we will discuss it some more and I guess make a choice.
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#463328 - 03/28/14 03:04 PM Re: Sleep medication [Re: Sven]
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I used sleep meds for a while, because I too was sleeping maybe 1-4 hrs a day at best, and everything, including my health, was suffering. They worked while I took them and I got some rest and the world started to look a little clearer. I dont take them now, I weaned off them not too long ago without too much fuss. Hope your dr can answer any questions you have and help you get some rest soon.

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#463334 - 03/28/14 05:57 PM Re: Sleep medication [Re: Sven]
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Yeh I was thinking maybe take them now for a week or so and then again when I'm having my finals... I'll ask if that's possible i guess
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#463335 - 03/28/14 05:59 PM Re: Sleep medication [Re: Sven]
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They all seem to mention that maybe you shouldn't take them if you are prone to a miles long list including 'depression'.
Even if they are used for anxiety disorders for example..
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#463361 - 03/29/14 09:18 AM Re: Sleep medication [Re: Sven]
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melatonin is a natural sleep inducer. here we can buy it over the counter like a vitamin. it is the natural substance that your body produces to induce the sleep cycle. you might try that. as far as I know it is not addictive in any way and many people have told me it is really helpful. and it has the advantage of being a natural. I hope it gets better man.
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#463365 - 03/29/14 10:25 AM Re: Sleep medication [Re: Sven]
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I agree with Newground.

I have had insomnia since I came out of the womb. I've taken all kinds of prescription meds that help me get to and stay asleep. The down side for me is the hangover I get the next morning. Then one day my psychiatrist suggested melatonin. I take 10 mg (her prescribed amount)a night just before I crawl into bed. The pills dissolve and within 30 minutes (I buy a brand called Finest at Walgreen's) I'm dozing and no hangover in the morning.

The thing about melatonin is it induces sleep and your body takes over from there. If you're having trouble staying asleep your doctor may take a different approach but discussing melatonin to get you started couldn't hurt.

All that said, also talk to your pharmacist about any possible negative drug interactions taking melatonin may cause. Though melatonin is pretty tame you never know if there's a potential for negative effects with any other medications you're taking.

Rusty
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#463385 - 03/29/14 06:33 PM Re: Sleep medication [Re: Sven]
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Hmmm i looked melatonine up but it says its prescribed for old people, blind people and people on certain medication.

Lunesta: (Eszopiclone) is slightly effective in the treatment of insomnia where difficulty in falling asleep is the primary complaint.The benefit over placebo is of questionable clinical significance.Although the drug effect and the placebo response were rather small and of questionable clinical importance, the two together produce a reasonably large clinical response

I also tried valdispert for a while btw but i didn't notice any change. It's a 'natural' med that's supposed to help with sleeping and nervosity.
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#463495 - 03/31/14 05:02 PM Re: Sleep medication [Re: Sven]
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Temazepam it is... I can pick it up at the pharmacy tomorrow and hopefully it will work. I have another appointment friday to talk about the effects etc
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#463594 - 04/03/14 04:38 AM Re: Sleep medication [Re: Sven]
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First night was great, slept from about 9.30 till 6am.
2nd night was alright too, except i woke up in the middle for a hour or 2. Nightmares maybe, not sure. Either way im optimistic about and am already feeling a bit better... smile
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#463635 - 04/03/14 11:43 PM Re: Sleep medication [Re: Sven]
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Melatonin is a natural hormone in the human body. I don't know where they get it for sale or why it's not regulated. One of the wisest professors I had at the Univ. was very wary about it because it might have unknown side effects. One has to be careful of anything which might duplicate hormone action. So I don't recommend it.

I've been on the generic equivalent of Ambien (actual name Zolpidem) for about 5 years. I use it because it helps me get to sleep with the CPAP machine whooshing about my face mask. Both my sleep doctor and PCP recommended it and they take it themselves. Ambien is a controlled substance and so it's dispensed only by prescription. It gets me to sleep in about 10 minutes. I take Zolpidem 10mg. The doc said it was easy to get off of the habit of it in one night. I tried it once and I thought I was going to die. So yes it is habit forming but mildly so.

I think I had a long-standing backlog of insufficient sleep. I'm gradually catching up on it. The sleep doctor told me that I awaken some incredible number of times per minute. I think that it's more about dissociative disorder and bad dreams in my case. I have discussed this with my T. It is something that is just not understood by the sleep doctors, he affirms. So what I think is going on with me is that when I get to the stage of REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep, where dream life would be intense, Something in my mind awakens me whenever I start to drift toward a nightmare. Yet my mind is trying to work out that matter of what happened to me and when it starts to work on that it wakes me up just enough so that I don't have the nightmare. Yet I'm not fully awakened and I'm unaware of that. Because of this, I don't have normal REM or deep sleep and this causes other health problems.

I think that dissociative disorder, such as I have (or have had) changes the rhythmic pattern within the brain. You can call it bad dreams or maybe it's as simple as bad rhythms established in the brain during the trauma that causes dissociative disorder. The adverse rhythms become entrained and are difficult to heal as far as anything I know. I have found that good soothing music helps me sleep. It helps if this music comes on with the REM sleep stage. This might be a couple of hours after entering sleep. I like music of Mozart or Haydn for this purpose. I do this by napping in the afternoon when such music is playing on the FM.

Although the sleep doctors don't know anything about what I just said, I'm pretty sure it applies to me. I can say more if you are interested.

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#463693 - 04/05/14 08:37 AM Re: Sleep medication [Re: Sven]
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Temazepam is the brandless version of Normison.
It's doing its job well so far though I do wake up atleas once a night (that i remember, i suppose). But I only just started taking it so maybe that will change eventually. And I don't really mind it much because I already feel sooooo much better then before I started taking it. I talked to my docter on the phone yesterday because he had to cancel his appointments and said i can keep taking it this weekend and we have a new appointment monday.
I hope i can keep taking it, perhaps not every day that wouldn't be wise but to be able to take it when i need would be great.

Would there be any reason Ambien is better then the rest or then what I am taking?
Also I read Ambien is not for staying asleep but for falling asleep. So if even today you still keep waking up on Ambient, don't you need something else?

My problem was falling asleep at all and when i wake up I can't get back to sleep.

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#463818 - 04/07/14 06:08 PM Re: Sleep medication [Re: Sven]
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I was on Ambien for 2 years, it made me very irritable.
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#463837 - 04/08/14 02:32 AM Re: Sleep medication [Re: Sven]
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Sven,
I had the same problem. Before trying prescription sleep medication, I tried over-the-counter sleep pills. I found that 1/2 of an Excedrin PM or Tylenol PM was just right for me on the nights I could not get to sleep.

Of course, and I know you've been told this, I also found it important to cut back through the day on caffeinated beverages and foods. Most importantly, I started listening to recordings of rain or rivers at bedtime.

I have a computer near my bed, so I find videos on youtube (search "sleep sounds" or "rain on a roof" or NetFlix (search "Fireplace For Your Home: Cascade Mountain Stream"), and I turn the monitor screen off (or you can cover it with a dark towel) to darken the room.

As much as I hate to admit it, my doctor was also correct in advising that daily exercise and a balanced diet played an important role. They really made a difference, especially when I cut down on carbohydrates.

Will you keep us posted?
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#463955 - 04/11/14 12:07 AM Re: Sleep medication [Re: I Want 2 Thrive]
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I was on Ambien for 2 years, it made me very irritable.

I was on it for two weeks and it made me very crazy. It was to counter a massive dose of steroids I was given two summers ago and I was prescribed the full 10 mgs (I'm a relative light weight at 145-150 lbs). I learned that if I took the pill, I would be unable to get up the stairs within 15-20 minutes (and I'm in good physical form). My partner caught me sort of sleepwalking in my underwear with the car keys in my hand at 2 in the morning wanting to go buy an ice cream cone. That was when it was obvious Ambien was way too much for me. I believe that since then, the recommended initial dose for patients was halved.

Fortunately, the steroid dose was a one-time thing and I weaned myself off the Ambien as quickly as I could. It was very addictive and that scared me, and it took an effort of patience and incremental dose decreases over several days to free myself of it.
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#463962 - 04/11/14 09:31 AM Re: Sleep medication [Re: Chase Eric]
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Eszopiclone (Lunesta) was far worse for me, than the Ambien. I have found (personally) it is better to be sleepy, than biting coworkers heads off.

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