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#460470 - 02/10/14 10:46 PM castration for pedophiles in Macedonia
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#460477 - 02/11/14 03:19 AM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: traveler]
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It was big news in the region...
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#460494 - 02/11/14 02:49 PM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: traveler]
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all i can say is ... ouch!

i would not want that job.
official state castrater.
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#460499 - 02/11/14 03:56 PM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: victor-victim]
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Originally Posted By: victor-victim

i would not want that job.
official state castrater.


I don't know. How much does it pay? grin

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#460500 - 02/11/14 04:05 PM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: traveler]
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Other than interfering with erections, how does this treatment prevent perverted acts against children (or anyone else)? I'm skeptical.

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#460517 - 02/11/14 08:40 PM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: victor-victim]
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Originally Posted By: victor-victim
all i can say is ... ouch!

i would not want that job.
official state castrater.


We already have those. A state castrater is called a "Divorce Attorney".

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#460518 - 02/11/14 08:41 PM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: traveler]
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They would just do digital penetration, using their fingers, pencils or crayons. Heck even adult "toys" such as dildo's made of silicone, rubber, glass or metal.

It is not a per se sexual disorder/dysfunction/addiction but rather a mental one.

Again, a pedophile lacks empathy, compassion, love, kindness towards themselves or their victims too young to defend themselves from such assaults and predatory dynamics by deviant adults, male or female.

Again, they are confusing orientation with behavior. And since most of these people making these decisions about what to do with sexual offenders and or pedophiles are NOT sexual abuse victims nor are they sexual offenders nor pedophiles themselves, they simply assume that castrating a male, of his testicles will stop the criminal behaviors.

Ok, next question:

How will this resolve female sexual offenders and or pedophiles?

Or have they forgotten about that, since the woman is supposed to be "motherly" "loving" and so on?

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#460519 - 02/11/14 08:47 PM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: traveler]
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It seems that there is good evidence that it does greatly reduce the reoffending rates of some types of perps in the countries where it is done voluntarily. Of course perpetrators who take the medication voluntarily may be motivated to stop anyway. According to reports in the British media 100 UK male child sex offenders have accepted voluntary chemical castration.

I don't know much about it but it may be part of a solution. I don't think it is ethical to use it as a punishment but I think it is ethical to use it to stop offenders abusing if the evidence shows it works.

Forced chemical castration is already legal for male child sex offenders in Poland, Russia, Moldova, Estonia, South Korea and some US states.

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#460522 - 02/11/14 08:57 PM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: traveler]
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Yes, and in Poland, Russia, Moldova, Estonia, etc etc and in some US States, they assume that homosexuals are pedophiles and or sexual offenders, what with their "protect the children" mantra's.

These forced chemical castrations are tied directly to religious indoctrination and a pacification of the minds of those that would label many as offenders, when in fact they are not. Can one say "EUGENICS"?

In 1931 here in NH, to get out of being incarcerated in a mental institution, male or female, to leave, one had to be sterilized.
Male or Female, minor, adult or elderly.

While it may stop "some" offenders, it doesn't certainly stop others. Classic example, the Sexual Offender Registry, both on the State and National levels.

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#460524 - 02/11/14 09:00 PM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: GeorgeMartin]
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Dear GeorgeMartin,

i tend to agree with you.
i have always thought of rape as a sexual expression of violence,
rather than a violent expression of sexuality.

i think it is a form of assault that is connected with lust, but not caused by it.

i may be way off base,
so forgive me if this is wrong,
and please don't quote me on it.
but i am not a professional or expert.
just a survivor with a guess.
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#460527 - 02/11/14 09:09 PM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: traveler]
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Yes chemical castration has a terrible history and no doubt it is very tricky ethically. I think the voluntary route is acceptable and there may be a case for forced chemical castration in some cases or at least a choice between life in prison and chemical castration. You make a good point about women offenders and of course most abuse is hidden in families so it would make no difference there.

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#460530 - 02/11/14 10:07 PM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: traveler]
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I'm confused.

I don't see them talking about gay or strait...just perpetrators.

While I may or may not agree, is not about removing the testies but making them stop producing testosterone.

I do agree, this does nothing about female preps, or those who are family members or friends....the majority of abusers.

This may help, in regards to the small amount of true pedophiles who can't control urges and then actions.
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#460535 - 02/11/14 10:46 PM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: Marinan]
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Originally Posted By: Marinan
Originally Posted By: victor-victim
all i can say is ... ouch!

i would not want that job.
official state castrater.


We already have those. A state castrater is called a "Divorce Attorney".


yes, i have seen the coen brothers movie with george clooney about divorce lawyers.
titled Intolerable Cruelty.
it is a hilarious and mean spirited romantic black comedy film worth a watch.

Intolerable Cruelty's screenplay was written by Robert Ramsey and Matt Stone.

no wonder it was so good.

p.s. the divorce lawyers' association was called...
National Organization of Matrimonial Attorneys, Nationwide (NOMAN)
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#460591 - 02/12/14 11:40 PM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: victor-victim]
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Originally Posted By: victor-victim
all i can say is ... ouch!...i would not want that job. official state castrater.

Hey, keep in mind they are talking about "chemical castration" which is merely a medication that interferes with testosterone production.
But if physical castration was being imposed, I would definitely volunteer to be the offical nut-cutter.
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#460844 - 02/16/14 05:20 AM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: Jude]
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Originally Posted By: Jude
Originally Posted By: victor-victim
all i can say is ... ouch!...i would not want that job. official state castrater.

Hey, keep in mind they are talking about "chemical castration" which is merely a medication that interferes with testosterone production.
But if physical castration was being imposed, I would definitely volunteer to be the offical nut-cutter.


Uh, definitely not cool, if we're talking about some unfortunate guys who just don't want to hurt anyone but can't help themselves.

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#461151 - 02/20/14 01:10 AM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: Marinan]
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Originally Posted By: Marinan
Uh, definitely not cool, if we're talking about some unfortunate guys who just don't want to hurt anyone but can't help themselves.
Of course I was kidding about castration, but honestly I have no sympathy for these "unfortunate guys". They deserve the harshest punishment allowed by law.
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#461152 - 02/20/14 01:17 AM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: Jude]
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Originally Posted By: Jude
Originally Posted By: Marinan
Uh, definitely not cool, if we're talking about some unfortunate guys who just don't want to hurt anyone but can't help themselves.
Of course I was kidding about castration, but honestly I have no sympathy for these "unfortunate guys". They deserve the harshest punishment allowed by law.


So, if you were a person who didn't want to hurt anyone, but knew that something had to be done about you, because, through just some weird sick genetic conditioning that isn't your fault, so much so that you would allow your'self to be emasculated by the state to protect the children, you wouldn't want any sympathy?

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#461290 - 02/22/14 03:52 PM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: Marinan]
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The CIA and NSA have been developing a system of a brain implanted "chip" which would monitor the activity of criminals.

Originally Posted By: Armen Victorian in Mind Controllers
Joseph A. Meyer of the National Security Agency (NSA), ... suggested the use of electronic implants in almost all Americans who have been arrested...for any crime. ...They would be monitored continually ...


The devices would be similar to those advocated for use in dogs, for the purpose of identifying lost dogs.

http://www.petfinder.com/dogs/lost-and-found-dogs/how-pet-microchips-work/

http://www.amazon.com/Pet-Tracking-Microchip-Implant-Administration-Veterinarian/dp/B0002YFROI/

They could allow tracking of pedophiles (or anybody else).

Another reference for this is The Mind Manipulators, by Alan W. Scheflin and Edward M. Opton, Jr.
Originally Posted By: review from Amazon.com

The Mind Manipulators_ by Alan W. Scheflin and Edward M. Opton, Jr., published in 1978, is a fascinating account of the technologies of mind manipulation that are being used to subvert man's freedom and reduce him to a slave of his manipulators. Although somewhat dated, this book nevertheless remains very important for those who wish to understand the technological advances which have made possible mind manipulation and mind control on a massive scale.


Pufferfish

* note: Puffferfish doesn't think this is a good idea, he's just reporting on what's going on these days.



Edited by pufferfish (02/22/14 04:02 PM)

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#461325 - 02/23/14 08:55 AM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: traveler]
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As others have noted, this does nothing to stop female perps, nothing to stop male perps from using other penetrators, and in general seems like attacking the least dangerous part of the problem (people who want to be stopped can probably be stopped with other means too).
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#461328 - 02/23/14 09:10 AM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: pufferfish]
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Originally Posted By: pufferfish
The CIA and NSA have been developing a system of a brain implanted "chip" which would monitor the activity of criminals.

Originally Posted By: Armen Victorian in Mind Controllers
Joseph A. Meyer of the National Security Agency (NSA), ... suggested the use of electronic implants in almost all Americans who have been arrested...for any crime. ...They would be monitored continually ...


The devices would be similar to those advocated for use in dogs, for the purpose of identifying lost dogs.

http://www.petfinder.com/dogs/lost-and-found-dogs/how-pet-microchips-work/

http://www.amazon.com/Pet-Tracking-Microchip-Implant-Administration-Veterinarian/dp/B0002YFROI/

They could allow tracking of pedophiles (or anybody else).

Another reference for this is The Mind Manipulators, by Alan W. Scheflin and Edward M. Opton, Jr.
Originally Posted By: review from Amazon.com

The Mind Manipulators_ by Alan W. Scheflin and Edward M. Opton, Jr., published in 1978, is a fascinating account of the technologies of mind manipulation that are being used to subvert man's freedom and reduce him to a slave of his manipulators. Although somewhat dated, this book nevertheless remains very important for those who wish to understand the technological advances which have made possible mind manipulation and mind control on a massive scale.


Pufferfish

* note: Puffferfish doesn't think this is a good idea, he's just reporting on what's going on these days.



i don't think much of this rfid idea either. pufferfish.
i would rather be castrated than chipped.

i also agree with SoccerStar.
i am pretty much certain that if you remove one weapon or the ammunition,
the predator pedophiles will simply switch to different weapons.
many crimes against children are not sexually driven, they are spiritually and socially motivated.
the victims are chosen because they are "innocent" (ignorant) and "vulnerable" (easy to manipulate, coerce, or force into compliance).
it is the intoxication and lust for power that motivates them.
that can still be obtained without an erection or testosterone.

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#461438 - 02/24/14 11:04 PM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: victor-victim]
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Here is a video showing how the technique of inserting a remote-controlled electrode into the brain of a bull could control the bull's behavior. The bull stops it's aggressive advance the moment the remote switch is pressed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23pXqY3X6c8

The scientist was Dr. Jose Delgado. He was of Spanish origin. This was done in 1961. I saw this video clip when I was in psychology class in college. His work was funded by the CIA.

The following article in Wikipedia states that he was doing it in human beings (reference 4):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo%C3%A9_Manuel_Rodriguez_Delgado


Puffer



Edited by pufferfish (02/24/14 11:09 PM)

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#461444 - 02/25/14 12:07 AM Re: castration for pedophiles in Macedonia [Re: traveler]
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smirk
thanks, but no thanks.
i think i will pass up the invitation to view the video.

there was a very brief time, where i considered getting a vasectomy, so i watched a video. now i can't unsee it.

that ended the discussion forever.
the answer is never.
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