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#460283 - 02/07/14 05:17 PM Understanding Homophobia: Panti Bliss Edition
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It's useful for us to get a gut check on what homophobia is, how it manifests in all of us, and the impact it has on people's lives. From AmericaBlog:

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Rory O’Neill is Ireland’s most famous drag queen, Panti Bliss.

Rory went on a current events show in Ireland recently, the subject turned to “homophobia,” and Rory was asked to name a few homophobes. So he did.

Quote:
O’Neill gave an unequivocal answer, name-checking Irish Times columnists John Waters and Breda O’Brien, as well as Catholic think-tank The Iona Institute, as those he believed worthy of that description.

Well, the people he named, who are apparently some of Ireland’s top anti-gays, took offense at being called “homophobes,” so they sued. The station immediately paid up $114,000 to settle the matter.

Panti appeared at an event in Ireland a few nights ago and gave quite an impassioned talk about what had transpired, and more generally about the nature of homophobia.

This video is one of the best summations of the impact of homophobia on our lives. It also does a wonderful job of showing how anti-gay voices demean and dehumanize gays and lesbians by invalidating their lived experience and casting themselves as the victims. As Panti herself says:

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So now Irish gay people find ourselves in a ludicrous situation where not only are we not allowed to say publicly what we feel oppressed by, we are not even allowed to think it because our definition has been disallowed by our betters.

And for the last three weeks I have been denounced from the floor of parliament to newspaper columns to the seething morass of internet commentary for “hate speech” because I dared to use the word “homophobia”. And a jumped-up queer like me should know that the word “homophobia” is no longer available to gay people. Which is a spectacular and neat Orwellian trick because now it turns out that gay people are not the victims of homophobia – homophobes are.

This is 11 minutes of your life very well spent:



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#460291 - 02/07/14 09:00 PM Re: Understanding Homophobia: Panti Bliss Edition [Re: Ever-fixed Mark]
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It is a great speech, it really gets to the heart of the matter. Thanks for sharing it.
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#460300 - 02/07/14 11:40 PM Re: Understanding Homophobia: Panti Bliss Edition [Re: Ever-fixed Mark]
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Ditto. Well worth the time… and brilliant in its summation that now homophobes are the true victims of homophobia. Just brilliant. Thanks, efm.
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#460307 - 02/08/14 05:23 AM Re: Understanding Homophobia: Panti Bliss Edition [Re: Ever-fixed Mark]
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Rory O’Neill is Ireland’s most famous drag queen, Panti Bliss.
Rory O'Neill (aka Panti Bliss) is also a genius public speaker.

i listened to the whole speech,
it was brilliant, but
i still don't understand homophobia.
this seemed to be about the effects, not the causes.

check this out!

warning TRIGGERS.
offensive homophobic remarks from public officials.

Cedar City anti-bias ordinance makes no headway
By Mark Havnes
The Salt Lake Tribune

Cedar City • In October, while considering an ordinance against discrimination in work and housing based on sexual orientation or gender identity, the City Council here instead passed an anti-bias resolution.

But that wasn’t enough for some people.

On Wednesday, the council again considered bolstering the resolution by passing an ordinance against such biases, which would have imposed fines on violators. But they ultimately backed off.

The decision came after a public discussion on the issue at the request of Councilwoman Georgia Beth Thompson and Benjamin Smith, who, as head of the Gay-Straight Alliance at Southern Utah University, proposed an anti-discrimination ordinance in October.

Brandie Balken, executive director of Equality Utah, told the council Wednesday night that 70 percent of those who experience discrimination because of sexual orientation or gender identity are afraid to report the incidents because they fear retribution for complaining.

She encouraged the council to change the city’s resolution to an ordinance, which is backed by the power of law.

"An ordinance offers tangible protection and not just a position statement," she said.

Based on experiences of communities that have adopted such ordinances, Balken said property rights, such as a landlord wanting to enforce LDS standards, will not be affected by them, while people can still be fired for incompetence or other reasons.

She also told the council that lawsuits involving a discrimination case would be limited.

Balken said an ordinance would go beyond a gay-straight issue and protect all residents from discrimination, noting that federal and state laws don’t protect those discriminated against for gender identity or sexual orientation.

There are 12 Utah city or county government entities that have such ordinances.

Smith said he knows of people discriminated against because of their sexual orientation, but they are afraid to step forward and speak out publicly.

Cedar City resident Evan Ludwig told the council not to acquiesce to the demands of the advocates of the ordinance, fearing a law would restrict the rights of landlords and business owners.

Besides saying that the practices of gay people make him sick, he also expressed fears that an ordinance would embolden gay people to convert unsuspecting children to become gay.

"They solicit kids to their lifestyle," Ludwig said. "We should go to the depths of hell before submitting to their noxious solicitations."

Thompson, the only council member to support an ordinance and who earlier called her colleagues "chicken" for not supporting it, said Wednesday the council’s job was to ensure fair treatment of all city residents.

"If we pledge justice for all and not guarantee it, then we are not doing our jobs," she said.

At the end of the discussion, it was decided to leave the resolution in place and not return to the issue.

Smith said he doesn’t know if his group will continue pursuing the issue.
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Utah attorney general backs Nevada’s gay marriage ban
ASSOCIATED PRESS

SALT LAKE CITY — Utah Attorney General Sean Reyes and top law officers from other states are fighting a lawsuit challenging Nevada’s gay marriage ban, arguing no fundamental right to same-sex marriage exists.

The attorneys general, in a newly filed amicus brief in the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, claim allowing such unions will lead to “any group of adults” seeking that status and the “tragic deconstruction” of marriage.

“If public affirmation of anyone and everyone’s personal love and commitment is the single purpose of civil marriage, a limitless number of rights claims could be set up that evacuate the term ‘marriage’ of any meaning,” the brief states.

Once “natural limits (are gone), it follows that any group of adults would have an equal claim to marriage.”

Attorneys general from Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and South Carolina also signed the document, The Salt Lake Tribune reported.

Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval is urging the appeals court to uphold U.S. District Judge Robert Jones’ 2012 decision in favor of his state’s voter-approved ban on gay marriage. Eight same-sex couples are appealing the ruling.

At the same time, Utah is appealing U.S. District Judge Robert Shelby’s December ruling overturning its voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage to the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. More than 1,000 gay couples rushed to wed before the U.S. Supreme Court granted the state’s request to halt the weddings in January.

The attorneys general, in their brief on the Nevada case, say 33 states adhere to a “historical” definition of marriage of one man and one woman, which predates the nation’s founding and is centered on procreation.

“Traditional marriage is too deeply embedded in our laws, history and traditions for a court to hold that the choice to adhere to that definition is irrational,” the filing states. “It creates a norm where sexual activity that can beget children should occur in a long-term, cohabitative relationship.”

Extending marriage rights to same-sex couples, which do not rely on a sexual, procreative basis, could require states to recognize any relationships as “marriages” if the parties involved requested that status — from platonic friendships and business partnerships to incestuous or kinship relationships, the attorneys general contend.

“Once the link between marriage and responsible procreation is severed — not simply stretched, but severed — and the common-sense idea that children are optimally raised in traditional intact families rejected, there is no fundamental reason for government to prefer couples to groups of three or more,” the filing states.

The 9th Circuit Court’s recent decision in another case, which concluded it was unconstitutional to bar a prospective juror because of sexual orientation, doesn’t apply, the attorneys general said.

“These technical, doctrinal inquiries only confirm what common sense tells us: traditional marriage arises from concern for opposite-sex couples, not same-sex couples,” they said.

Nevada Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto has said she’s reconsidering whether to defend the state in the appeal because of the appeals court’s recent ruling.

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Utah defends same-sex marriage ban in appeal opening arguments
article in The Guardian
by Amanda Holpuch in New York

Utah defended its same-sex marriage ban in a court brief filed late Monday night, arguing that allowing such marriages could pose long term risks for children.

A federal judge ruled that the state’s ban was unconstitutional in December, leading to some 1,300 same-sex marriages in the state. Weeks later, the state government was granted a stay of that ruling, and the case is now in appeals court.

In their 120-page brief, attorneys for the state argued that heterosexual marriages are the best model for children. “The model is not intended to demean other family structures, any more than giving an ‘A’ to some students demeans others,” attorneys wrote. “As between mutually exclusive models of marriage, the man-woman model is simply the one the State and its people believe is the best for children.”
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Response to Supreme Court Decisions on Same-Sex Marriage
by: Thomas K. McInerny, MD, FAAP, president,
American Academy of Pediatrics

“Today, the U.S. Supreme Court issued two historic decisions affirming the right of same-gender couples to marry. The American Academy of Pediatrics has advocated that civil marriage for same-gender couples is the best way to guarantee benefits and security for their children. If a child has two loving and capable parents who choose to create a permanent bond, it’s in the best interest of their children that legal institutions allow them to do so.”

“Stable relationships with caring adults are important for children, and so are financial security, social support and access to health care. Scientific evidence shows that there is no cause-and-effect relationship between parents’ sexual orientation and children’s well-being.”
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in my opinion, homophobia is a waste of energy.
people should focus on their own children,
marriages, and families, and stop worrying about others.
unless there is evidence or proof of child abuse.
it is a sacred duty to protect children and prevent abuse wherever and whenever it occurs.

it does not take a genius to see that child abuse has been happening in traditional opposite-sex marriages for a very long time.
perhaps we should ban those marriages as well.

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#460333 - 02/08/14 03:20 PM Re: Understanding Homophobia: Panti Bliss Edition [Re: Ever-fixed Mark]
Ever-fixed Mark Offline
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In my opinion, the cause of homophobia is fear and ignorance.

The problem is that we can't show that these fears are baseless, and address ignorance and lies with truth while we are invalidated as people, pathologized, and intimidated into silence.

-efm
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Everybody's been through their own hell
There's nothing too special about getting hurt
Getting over it, that takes the work

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#460346 - 02/08/14 07:41 PM Re: Understanding Homophobia: Panti Bliss Edition [Re: Ever-fixed Mark]
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human nature being what it is...

"Hell is full of good intentions or desires."
~ Saint Bernard of Clairvaux

"To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he's doing is good."
~ Alexander Solzhenitsyn

"There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance."
~ Socrates

"Ignorance, the root and stem of all evil."
~ Plato

"For the good that I would I do not:
but the evil which I would not, that I do
."
~ Apostle Paul
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#460358 - 02/08/14 10:04 PM Re: Understanding Homophobia: Panti Bliss Edition [Re: Ever-fixed Mark]
Ever-fixed Mark Offline
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Given the role of the Roman Catholic Church in both oppressing and killing gays and lesbians though the millennia (using the writings of Saint Paul as partial justification), and the massive international child sexual abuse conspiracy and cover-up, its also appropriate to consider this quote in the same vein:

“With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”
- Steven Weinberg

-efm
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Everybody's been through their own hell
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