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#459358 - 01/25/14 02:06 AM Pantheon quotes I find spiritually uplifting
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From - Ovid Metamorphoses -

"a fall; but Pallas [Athena], who sustains talent, upheld him, changed him to a bird and clothed the lad with feathers as he fell. Even so his talent’s darting quickness passed to wings and feet"

From - The Odes of Pindar -

"But when her kinsmen had laid the girl in the wall of wood, and Hephaistos' greedy flame ran high, then spoke Apollo: "No longer will I endure in my heart the destruction of my own child by death in agony for the weight of his mother's punishment."
He spoke, and in the first stride was there and caught the boy from the body, and the blaze of the pyre was divided before him. Carrying him to the centaur in Magnesia, he gave him to be perfected in the healing of sickness that brings many pains to men.
They came to him with ulcers the flesh had grown, or their limbs mangled with the gray bronze, or bruised with the stone flung from afar, or the body stormed with summer fever, or chill; and he released each man and led him from his individual grief."

Find these sustaining and helpful from my polytheist religious beliefs. From what I've seen, most survivors find sources of inspired healing from traditions that speak to their own spirit. Glad there is room for differing faiths here on the MS forums.

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#459489 - 01/27/14 01:56 AM Re: Pantheon quotes I find spiritually uplifting [Re: kcinohio]
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this really does sound beautiful and dramatic.
i am curious as to what it means.
what does it signify to you?
i would really love an interpretation.

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#459562 - 01/27/14 10:46 PM Re: Pantheon quotes I find spiritually uplifting [Re: kcinohio]
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For the Ovid piece, I interpret it that - when placed in harm's way (a fall) by others, Athena catches a person up and transforms him with his gifts (talent) into something more (a bird, darting quickness). So, in MS area, a boy is harmed by the abuse, and so changed, but Athena, Goddess of wisdom, is willing to transform that person into something more, and more able to use his talents rather than be completely blown apart by the fall (or abuse perpetration.)

For the Odes of Pindar piece, I interpret it that - out of the fire of abuse experience too much to bear, Apollo claims the boy as his own and transports him to a mythical centaur (the place of imagination perhaps? such as response to music? see aside) and has him taught the healing arts so he can go in turn and heal the pains of other men. For my personal experience, having gone through therapy to repair dissociative response to the abuse, can really relate to a mythical place for healing away from everyday realities that Apollo, God of Music, Healing, & Prophecy, is capable of transporting one to.

(As an aside, I also heavily found music videos therapeutic when re-associating or whatever the terminology is now - three languages or stories simultaneously in music videos, the visual storyline, the lyrics and the music. Further some songs or videos are complex so that more than one story is going along simultaneously. Just a little of the nuance of my own healing journey toward more wholeness from being fragmented before. That's the useful part of imagination in my journey akin to what a centaur brings to mind.)

As for stretching that Pindar story further - into the one rescued then practicing healing of others, I interpret that personally in terms of twelve step recovery community and simply sharing my experience, strength, and hope there.

So, both quotes work for me as spiritually uplifting with my religious beliefs and the same kind of help is available to others from the sources of that help.

A bit long-winded, sorry, but I felt it helped me in my process to spell it out more clearly here. So, thanks for the question.


Edited by kcinohio (01/27/14 10:51 PM)

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#459575 - 01/28/14 06:19 AM Re: Pantheon quotes I find spiritually uplifting [Re: kcinohio]
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thank you for the explanation.
it really helped me understand the meaning behind the words.
it also gave me some insight into you as well.

wisdom and music can be very good for healing.
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#459835 - 01/31/14 12:17 PM Re: Pantheon quotes I find spiritually uplifting [Re: kcinohio]
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this is beautiful what you wrote here.
Originally Posted By: kcinohio
So, in MS area, a boy is harmed by the abuse, and so changed, but Athena, Goddess of wisdom, is willing to transform that person into something more, and more able to use his talents rather than be completely blown apart by the fall (or abuse perpetration.)


Out in the open Wisdom calls aloud,
she raises her voice in the public square;
on top of the wall she cries out,
at the city gate she makes her speech:
How long will you who are simple love your simple ways?
How long will mockers delight in mockery
and fools hate knowledge?

PROVERBS 1:20-22

Known in Mythology as Pallas Minerva, Athene, or Athena, which means Virgin. She was the Goddess of Wisdom, War and the Liberal Arts and Sciences; was produced from Jupiter's brain without a mother. The olive, the emblem of peace, belongs to her. She is usually represented as wearing a helmet, her right hand holding a spear to strike at a serpent near her feet, the owl and the cock being her favourite birds symbolically.
Athena was known as the spear-shaker among the ancient Greeks. They placed her statue on their temples. When the rays of the sun danced on her spear, it seemed as though Athena was shaking it . . . hence her name, the Spear-Shaker.


Shakespeare considered Athena his muse.

SONNET 38
How can my muse want subject to invent,
While thou dost breathe, that pour'st into my verse
Thine own sweet argument, too excellent
For every vulgar paper to rehearse?
O! give thy self the thanks, if aught in me
Worthy perusal stand against thy sight;
For who's so dumb that cannot write to thee,
When thou thy self dost give invention light?
Be thou the tenth Muse, ten times more in worth
Than those old nine which rhymers invocate;
And he that calls on thee, let him bring forth
Eternal numbers to outlive long date.
If my slight muse do please these curious days,
The pain be mine, but thine shall be the praise.
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#459838 - 01/31/14 12:31 PM Re: Pantheon quotes I find spiritually uplifting [Re: kcinohio]
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lots of good stuff in here, too!
Originally Posted By: kcinohio
For my personal experience, having gone through therapy to repair dissociative response to the abuse, can really relate to a mythical place for healing away from everyday realities that Apollo, God of Music, Healing, & Prophecy, is capable of transporting one to.

(As an aside, I also heavily found music videos therapeutic when re-associating or whatever the terminology is now - three languages or stories simultaneously in music videos, the visual storyline, the lyrics and the music. Further some songs or videos are complex so that more than one story is going along simultaneously. Just a little of the nuance of my own healing journey toward more wholeness from being fragmented before. That's the useful part of imagination in my journey akin to what a centaur brings to mind.)


you're preaching to the choir, kcinohio.
i was a professional musician for decades, and i truly believe that music was a huge part of my survival.

Originally Posted By: etymology
music (noun) musike, from Old French musique and directly from Latin musica "the art of music," also including poetry, from Greek mousike (techne) "(art) of the Muses," from mousikos "pertaining to the Muses," from Mousa "Muse" (also source of Spanish musica, Italian musica, Old High German mosica, German Musik, Dutch muziek, Danish musik).

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#460135 - 02/04/14 11:53 PM Re: Pantheon quotes I find spiritually uplifting [Re: kcinohio]
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Thanks victor, yes, sounds like you found a great deal in music. That's great!

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#468215 - 07/30/14 09:07 AM Re: Pantheon quotes I find spiritually uplifting [Re: kcinohio]
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some more words of wisdom for you…

"Blessed are those who find wisdom,
those who gain understanding,
for she is more profitable than silver
and yields better returns than gold.
She is more precious than rubies;
nothing you desire can compare with her.
Long life is in her right hand;
in her left hand are riches and honour.
Her ways are pleasant ways,
and all her paths are peace.
She is a tree of life to those who take hold of her;
those who hold her fast will be blessed
."
- PROVERBS 3


"Do not forsake wisdom, and she will protect you;
love her, and she will watch over you.
The beginning of wisdom is this: Get wisdom.
Though it cost all you have, get understanding.
Cherish her, and she will exalt you;
embrace her, and she will honor you.
She will give you a garland to grace your head
and present you with a glorious crown
.”
- PROVERBS 4



WISDOM's CALL
Does not wisdom call out?
Does not understanding raise her voice?
At the highest point along the way,
where the paths meet, she takes her stand;
beside the gate leading into the city,
at the entrance, she cries aloud:
“To you, O people, I call out;
I raise my voice to all mankind.
You who are simple, gain prudence;
you who are foolish, set your hearts on it.
Listen, for I have trustworthy things to say;
I open my lips to speak what is right.
My mouth speaks what is true,
for my lips detest wickedness.
All the words of my mouth are just;
none of them is crooked or perverse.
To the discerning all of them are right;
they are upright to those who have found knowledge.
Choose my instruction instead of silver,
knowledge rather than choice gold,
for wisdom is more precious than rubies,
and nothing you desire can compare with her.
“I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence;
I possess knowledge and discretion.
To fear the Lord is to hate evil;
I hate pride and arrogance,
evil behavior and perverse speech.
Counsel and sound judgment are mine;
I have insight, I have power.
By me kings reign
and rulers issue decrees that are just;
by me princes govern,
and nobles—all who rule on earth.
I love those who love me,
and those who seek me find me.
With me are riches and honor,
enduring wealth and prosperity.
My fruit is better than fine gold;
what I yield surpasses choice silver.
I walk in the way of righteousness,
along the paths of justice,
bestowing a rich inheritance on those who love me
and making their treasuries full.
“The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;
before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
before he made the world or its fields
or any of the dust of the earth.
I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
Then I was constantly at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.
“Now then, my children, listen to me;
blessed are those who keep my ways.
Listen to my instruction and be wise;
do not disregard it.
Blessed are those who listen to me,
watching daily at my doors,
waiting at my doorway.
For those who find me find life
and receive favor from the Lord.
But those who fail to find me harm themselves;
all who hate me love death.”

- PROVERBS 8


Wisdom has built her house;
she has set up its seven pillars.
She has prepared her meat and mixed her wine;
she has also set her table.
She has sent out her servants, and she calls
from the highest point of the city,
“Let all who are simple come to my house!”
To those who have no sense she says,
“Come, eat my food
and drink the wine I have mixed.
Leave your simple ways and you will live;
walk in the way of insight
.”
- PROVERBS 9
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