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#458385 - 01/09/14 11:15 PM Victim of child pornography doesn't get to forget
toddop Offline
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I meant to post this earlier, but got lost in the holiday shuffle. This offers a good look into a child pornography survivor's experience. I could definitely relate to some of this:

***Trigger Warning***

A victim of child pornography doesn't get to forget
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#458391 - 01/10/14 03:25 AM Re: Victim of child pornography doesn't get to forget [Re: toddop]
victor-victim Offline


Registered: 09/27/03
Posts: 3018
Loc: O Kanada
this is very interesting, i think.

Should people who view or share child porn be ordered to pay victims restitution?

Federal benches are not in agreement.

A 1994 federal law makes full restitution mandatory in sexual exploitation cases. The law lists examples of qualifying losses, such as psychological care, lost income and attorney fees. The last item in the list: "any other losses suffered by the victim as a proximate result of the offense."

That's the phrase that has divided judicial circuits.

Does it imply that all losses must be directly caused by a particular defendant's viewing or sharing of child porn?

Yes, says the 11th Circuit, which decides appeals for Florida, Alabama and Georgia. That's why it's so hard for Florida child porn victims to collect restitution from the end users of porn.

No, says the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit, which sided last year with child rape victim "Amy Unknown," agreeing that she was entitled to collect from a stranger found with two of her images.

She listed losses of $3.4 million, including future therapy.

The defendant sought relief from the Supreme Court. Oral arguments are expected in January.

could this be a game-changer?
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#458395 - 01/10/14 06:09 AM Re: Victim of child pornography doesn't get to forget [Re: toddop]
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Very triggering. I have thought about what if there are pictures. I honestly don't know and the thought makes me sick. This would be huge in stopping the trafficking. Not sure that there are those abusing that wouldn't otherwise be doing it anyway. The child porn business is just a way of making money doing what they would do anyway.
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#458401 - 01/10/14 08:19 AM Re: Victim of child pornography doesn't get to forget [Re: toddop]
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Even if the victims don't get restitution from the collectors, the collectors should have all assets seized by the government - including houses and savings and jewelry. CP should be the antimatter of possessions: you can own that, or you can own anything else, but you cannot own both.
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#458474 - 01/11/14 05:14 PM Re: Victim of child pornography doesn't get to forget [Re: toddop]
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Registered: 11/13/12
Posts: 245
Loc: Germany
This definitely has the affect of being triggering on me, but I am glad that this story has been put forward: it gives others an idea of what it is like to be a victim of this form of child sexual abuse and its lasting impact, and it may also be validating for fellow survivors to read about someone else's experiences. They will find commonalities in the story's description of the victim's experiences and after effects and feel less alone.
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#458520 - 01/12/14 05:39 PM Re: Victim of child pornography doesn't get to forget [Re: toddop]
BraveFalcon Offline
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Stand up comedian Andy Andrist was a victim of child porn when he was a kid.

Andy Andrist - Warning: Some of his material may be extremely offensive to some viewers.

I became a fan of Andy's when I heard his story and started following him on Facebook. Once in a podcast I heard him say this of the images that were taken of him as a child....

(I'm paraphrasing a little here but this is what he said.)

"Those images are of me, so I'm the only one who should be allowed to posses them. If I want, I should be allowed to charge perverts $10 a pop to view them for five minutes. At the end of the five minutes, the images would go away and they would be shown an image of what I look like now with a message that would say. 'This is me now, asshole. This is what you're beating off to. Thanks for the $10. Now go kill yourself.'" Thought it was an interesting perspective for a victim to have. Peace,

Ken



Edited by BraveFalcon (01/12/14 05:40 PM)

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#458536 - 01/12/14 11:09 PM Re: Victim of child pornography doesn't get to forget [Re: BraveFalcon]
Jacob S Offline
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Originally Posted By: BraveFalcon
Stand up comedian Andy Andrist was a victim of child porn when he was a kid.

Andy Andrist - Warning: Some of his material may be extremely offensive to some viewers.



He's got some powerful stuff on there. Thanks for sharing.
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#458558 - 01/13/14 08:16 PM Re: Victim of child pornography doesn't get to forget [Re: toddop]
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Registered: 11/13/12
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Oh wow!! This comedian exists!! laugh
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#458559 - 01/13/14 08:31 PM Re: Victim of child pornography doesn't get to forget [Re: toddop]
victor-victim Offline


Registered: 09/27/03
Posts: 3018
Loc: O Kanada
you can feel the pain in his sense of humour.
but i am not laughing.
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#458694 - 01/15/14 11:26 PM Re: Victim of child pornography doesn't get to forget [Re: toddop]
unhappycamper Offline


Registered: 10/21/11
Posts: 588
Loc: VA
Thanks for posting this! I'd never heard of this comedian--and I'm glad to hear someone who can find humor in this subject. He sounded a bit flustered after a few of the questions, but ultimately he kept it together for the whole hour. I'm definitely an Andy Andrist fan now!

John

p.s.: I envy his chance to confront the molester.

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#458699 - 01/15/14 11:59 PM Re: Victim of child pornography doesn't get to forget [Re: unhappycamper]
pufferfish Offline
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Registered: 02/26/08
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Loc: USA
I don't really remember being filmed in kiddie porn then. I was only 4 and I didn't understand what what was happening. I didn't know what a movie camera was. It was many years later when I started remembering "stuff" that I figured out that perp who was standing behind a big black box had to be making movies. I could be wrong. But what else could he have been doing. It happened in an area near Hollywood, and perp was an employee in Hollywood. That seems to settle it.

Being a young victim means that I wasn't sensitized to some of the negatives of the kiddie porn, such as the emotional reaction to being naked in that kind of a setup. However the experience was very severe in other ways because I acquired dissociative disorder and I also acquired an array of negative emotions and memories. It was highly traumatizing. At age 4, a boy is totally unequipped to deal with sexual emotions like that.

ONE of the severe symptoms was a social alienation which comes with early traumatic abuse. I was a chronic loner. It has only been within the last few years that I've started overcoming this. I also had a reading problem, which was probably caused by the abuse. Severe abuse like that actually affects the developing organization of the brain adversely. The brain can overcome a lot and it's now recognized that the brain is much more plastic than previously thought, and it can make new connections even into adulthood.


Puffer



Edited by pufferfish (01/16/14 12:28 PM)

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