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#453615 - 11/14/13 11:16 AM Ignorance
mattheal Offline
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Registered: 06/10/12
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Loc: Ohio
I am a non-combat, enlisted Army vet. Yesterday at work, the topic of MST came up with me and a couple of retired officers. One of the guys was a West Point grad, and he claimed that "the gays" we're responsible for most of it, and then went on a tirade about morale. I firmly believe such ignorance will end trough attrition, but where can I find the evidence that he is wrong? I sent him the following article, but I think this issue needs more visability!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/24/us/in-...nted=2&_r=0

The article states:
“A lot of people say this problem exists because we are allowing women into the military or because of the repeal of ‘don’t ask, don’t tell,’ ” he said, referring to the ban on openly gay service members. “But that is absurd. The people who perpetrated these crimes on me identify as heterosexual males.”
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#454726 - 11/22/13 02:10 AM Re: Ignorance [Re: mattheal]
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Registered: 09/27/03
Posts: 3432
Loc: O Kanada
i grew up in the 1960's in suburbia.
i endured this kind of ignorance on a regular basis.
i spent my life trying to get away from it,
but even to this day, i encounter misinformed and prejudiced people.

but i do believe the atmosphere has improved immensely since my childhood.
especially with the young people.
i only seem to hear that kind of talk from men in my own age group.

i usually keep my mouth shut around angry bigots,
meanwhile seeking an immediate graceful exit.
not worth the effort, in my experience.
i don't want to argue with them,
but i don't want to be caught listening to them either.
lack of rebuttal could accidentally infer agreement.

if it happens at work, i don't have to wait long for someone to shut them down.
if it persists, and there is enough complaints,
the person usually goes away.

my industry does not, as a rule, allow or accept serious hate speech, although nasty humour is commonplace and unofficially tolerated.
joker beware, however.
many a career was lost over a wrong word at the wrong time.

in my honest and humble opinion...
a rapist is a rapist is a rapist.
rape is a sexual form of violence,
not a violent form of sex.
it's all about power. period.
the gender preference of the perpetrator is not the reason behind the rape.

i just don't see how people make that connection.
i would consider it a dangerous conclusion.
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#454768 - 11/22/13 09:01 AM Re: Ignorance [Re: mattheal]
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Registered: 10/09/13
Posts: 804
Loc: St. Croix, USVI
Dangerous conclusions, in my opinion, spring from a fairly planet wide belief that different is bad. If we can't find a way to bring some light to shine on the belief that different is bad, how do we promote tolerance and acceptance?
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#454792 - 11/22/13 01:03 PM Re: Ignorance [Re: mattheal]
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Registered: 09/27/03
Posts: 3432
Loc: O Kanada
i was a neophiliac.

xenophobia and leptokurtosiphobia are more prevalent.
i think they are powerful survival defense mechanisms,
deeply entrenched and extremely difficult to dislodge.

i was always the alien,
so i developed misanthropy,
which isn't much better.

i hated, and secretly envied, normal or popular.
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#456027 - 12/04/13 03:38 PM Re: Ignorance [Re: mattheal]
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Registered: 11/13/10
Posts: 70
Loc: N/W Pennsylvania, USA
Dear Victor-Victim,
I am not familiar with Leptokurtosiphiobia but your description and desire sound all too familiar. I had just shared with my therapist recently of my envy to be normal. But Normal for what we have been through is not so easily defined and probably will only acerbate us when we try. I guess what I am saying is that we all share your normal as "ours" and you are not alone. I'd do anything to forget my past. Most daunting for me is to realize my lifestyle, actions and reactions always appear to bring me back to remember. I don't know the answers or even pretend to think I can make it through all by my self. But, finding others who can "know" your normal as "ours", takes the edge away a bit. Blessings, Bill
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#456035 - 12/04/13 04:36 PM Re: Ignorance [Re: mattheal]
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Registered: 09/27/03
Posts: 3432
Loc: O Kanada
leptokurtosiphobia: Irrational Fear of Non-Normality

when everything must be at or near the statistical abstract concept of average.
it includes the desire to smooth out all the wrinkles in the fabric of life, and pave all the potholes and bumps in the road before moving forward.
the primary symptom is inevitable chronic frustration that comes with being unable to achieve this ridiculously impossible objective.
i believe the cause lies in a lack of faith in one's own ability to adapt. this feeling is rooted in fear of failure.
the cure comes with experience in overcoming obstacles.
every obstacle causes damage and delay, and must be dealt with or progress is halted.
if you stop too long, you sit down.
if you sit too long, you lie down.
if you lay too long, you end up sleeping.
if you sleep too long... well, you know what comes next.

"It's only when you hit a nerve that you know you're on the right track."
     ~ Jim Cummins

"Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there."
     ~ Will Rogers
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