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#441019 - 07/16/13 05:08 AM Re: the gospels in history [Re: victor-victim]
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bart ehrman also says during his lecture, that almost all of the "variations" are insignificant and irrelevant.
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#442259 - 07/26/13 06:47 PM Re: the gospels in history [Re: victor-victim]
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#442263 - 07/26/13 07:24 PM Re: the gospels in history [Re: victor-victim]
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had a good long talk with my pastor about these variations in the greek new testament.
he said he was aware of them,
but they do not significantly change the message of the gospel.

i agree.
the variations are insignificant.
unless some scribe changes the core of the message,
(i.e. thou shalt NOT love thy neighbour as thyself)
this is not a threat to my belief or faith.
it had little or no influence.

my pastor pointed out some important points to remember:

when jesus refers to not changing one word of the bible...
matthew 5:18
http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-18.htm
he is talking about the old testament.
he is NOT talking about the new testament, which, of course, did not exist yet.

when we are warned against changing the word of god
revelation 22:18-19
http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Re22.18-19
the verse is specifally referring to the book of revelation.

Deuteronomy 4:2
http://www.biblestudytools.com/deuteronomy/4-2-compare.html
this talks about commandments from god.

proverbs 30:6
http://www.biblestudytools.com/proverbs/30-6.html
refers to false prophecy

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#442285 - 07/26/13 11:05 PM Re: the gospels in history [Re: victor-victim]
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There is some debate about your conclusions. Since Jesus knew the new and old testaments would exist. Some also believe that the reference in Revelation refers to the entire bible, and others say just for that book alone. Have heard interesting arguments on both sides, so you make good points I think.
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#443594 - 08/07/13 02:34 AM Re: the gospels in history [Re: BuffaloCO]
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i don't ever really come to conclusions.
that is far too final.
but planning requires parameters and paradigms.

so... for practical purposes,
i do create operating systems
based on best estimates
subject to constant revision.

i am always seeking new confirmation information.
trying to build on a firm foundation.

"Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect." Romans 12:2
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#449252 - 10/05/13 05:30 AM Re: the gospels in history [Re: victor-victim]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLDy8zVHnoQ



interesting lecture on new testament history by Manly P. Hall.
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#452936 - 11/08/13 02:34 PM Re: the gospels in history [Re: victor-victim]
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here is an interesting approach.
The Five Gospels
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...ader_006063040X
brought to you by the "Jesus Seminar"

Their Mission...
according to Jesus Seminar founder Robert W. Funk.

"We are about to embark on a momentous enterprise. We are going to inquire simply, rigorously after the voice of Jesus, after what he really said.

In this process, we will be asking a question that borders the sacred, that even abuts blasphemy, for many in our society. As a consequence, the course we shall follow may prove hazardous. We may well provoke hostility
."

they did provoke my curiousity.

http://ntwrightpage.com/Wright_Five_Gospels.pdf
http://www.bible-researcher.com/5gospels.html


here is the supposed "5th gospel"
http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/~rfrey/PDF/166/Judaism%20Christianity/166Thomas.pdf

you can call me a doubting thomas smirk

some related research
http://www.westarinstitute.org/projects/the-jesus-seminar/
http://www.westarinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/Jesus-Seminar-Opening-Remarks.pdf
http://www.equip.org/PDF/JAR011.pdf
http://www.ccel.org/p/pink/gospels/cache/gospels.pdf
http://www.churchathome.org/pdf/A%20Harmony%20of%20the%20Gospels.pdf
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#453143 - 11/10/13 03:00 PM Re: the gospels in history [Re: victor-victim]
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A good study of the members of the "Jesus" seminar will reveal that their real purpose was to promote their opinion that what is mostly in the Bible is a bunch of made up bunk and petty much would take a passage and they vote based on their mostly opinions on if they thought Jesus said something or not.

We did a pretty good study on it when I was in college.

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#453175 - 11/10/13 09:44 PM Re: the gospels in history [Re: victor-victim]
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that is the impression i got, from their own words.
mostly the founder... funk.
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