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#452814 - 11/07/13 09:49 PM "Theoretical Pedophile"
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Opposition to "Theoretical Pedophile" speaker at OISE Symposium

http://www.canadiantimes.ca/ct2/index.ph...-oise-symposium

Controversial U.S. professor slams critics who call him an advocate for pedophilia

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/10/...pedophilia.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/we-need...ence-at-univers

http://www.uc.utoronto.ca/print/schooling
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#452824 - 11/07/13 10:48 PM Re: "Theoretical Pedophile" [Re: victor-victim]
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His thesis seems to be that society DOES sexualize children - not an endorsement of sexualizing them.

....I think. It's really hard to figure out his stance because it's so viscerally painful to read that it gets in the way of fair-minded analysis. I can spot right away that he's at least PARTIALLY a con artist because he is using a False Dilemma logical fallacy: he says society shouldn't care so much about sexual abuse because the real problem is physical abuse and neglect. Many people here can attest to all of those cruelties being inflicted together. He's also a con artist because he still snivels over the McMartin daycare frivolous prosecution from 30 years ago - which is as much of a "tell" as when someone starts a discussion of evolution by citing Piltdown Man.

There's also this gem from a review of his book on Amazon:
Quote:
It's sure to spark controversy among the recovered-memory and Courage to Heal set


Stay classy, rape apologists.


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#452827 - 11/07/13 11:09 PM Re: "Theoretical Pedophile" [Re: victor-victim]
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I strongly disagree that society sexualizes anyone. Big business marketing sexualizes everything because it sells, and we humans have somehow lost our ability to be an impartial observer. So, indirectly we do sexualize everyone and everything everytime we participate in the myths: if I fit a certain agreed upon definition of body shape, hair cut, clothing, jewelry, job, housing, art work, music, social circle, intellect, etc., I will be more likable, lovable, successful--a better person and I will feel better. None of this is true for me.

It is very difficult to break from the herd. But it is worth it for me. I am tired of my life of a human doing and am concentrating on learning a life of a human being.

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#452829 - 11/07/13 11:32 PM Re: "Theoretical Pedophile" [Re: victor-victim]
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#452830 - 11/07/13 11:36 PM Re: "Theoretical Pedophile" [Re: SoccerStar]
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Originally Posted By: SoccerStar
he says society shouldn't care so much about sexual abuse because the real problem is physical abuse and neglect.


I can say that if not for the physical abuse and neglect I probably would NOT have been sexualy abused
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#452832 - 11/07/13 11:46 PM Re: "Theoretical Pedophile" [Re: victor-victim]
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This Kincaid guy's words stink of the pretzel-like rationalizations that pedophiles use to persuade themselves that they're doing no wrong. That kind of stuff sure doesn't persuade ME! Makes me barf to read it.

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#452835 - 11/07/13 11:56 PM Re: "Theoretical Pedophile" [Re: victor-victim]
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publications include Dickens and the Rhetoric of Laughter (1972), Tennyson’s Major Poems (1975), Novels of Anthony Trollope (1977), Annoying the Victorians (1994; reissued 2013), Child-Loving: The Erotic Child and Victorian Culture (1992), Erotic Innocence: The Culture of Child Molesting (1998), and A History of the African-American People (Proposed) by Strom Thurmond, co-authored with Percival Everett. He has also written four novels, including Lost (2012).

has been a Guggenheim Fellow, won teaching awards, and run two prestigious seminars for the National Endowment for the Humanities. He has published in many major scholarly journals and popular periodicals and newspapers, including Critical Inquiry, PMLA, Nineteenth-Century Literature, JEGP, ADE Bulletin, Yale Review, New York Times Book Review, and the New Yorker. He has also served on the editorial boards of PMLA, Victorian Poetry, Nineteenth Century Studies, Dickens Studies Annual, Nineteenth-Century Literature, and the Journal of Narrative and Life History. He has been a consultant to the Guggenheim foundation and received USC’s Raubenheimer Outstanding Senior Faculty Award for Teaching and Scholarship (2000).

from his biopage
http://www.englishlit.pitt.edu/person/james-kincaid
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#452836 - 11/07/13 11:58 PM Re: "Theoretical Pedophile" [Re: victor-victim]
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Gaaahhhhhhhhh okay so he says that child porn isn't a real problem because most internet ads for it are phony (because that's how you find child porn, see, you just Google it and it's all right there public and proud). He also says fear of CSA is overrated because most perps aren't strangers or kidnappers but are known to the victims.... which is an absolute non-sequitur and, really, non-thought. And his attack (there is no other word for it) on Ellie Nesler's son, apparently complicit in his own rape and torture because SOCIETY, or, something.....

He's full of shit and a terrible writer too. It's like a cliche of the meaningless slush you find in some corners of the "_____ Studies" department.

Originally Posted By: NYTimes review
This "public legend," as Mr. Kincaid calls it -- in what he says is a "sweeping claim" designed to "counter the swoops on the other side" -- is virtually the opposite of fact: "There is no evidence that any child abduction or prostitution rings exist; no commercial child erotica is now published, except by the F.B.I. for sting operations; pedophiles, such as may exist, are gentle and unaggressive." Yet this story "has no currency"; when inconvenient facts do get brought forward, we regard them "as never having been said."


Fuck BOTH these guys. There isn't a single psychiatric expert or criminologist who would ever sign off on this kookery. Every single assertion he made is wrong on the basis of documentary fact. Whenever anyone admits to creating a "counter-myth" or "counter-sweep" or "counter-legend," they're up-front admitting to lying in order to give themselves broader license to smear their targets. Reality ISN'T a myth, so your "counter-myth" is even more dishonest than the average lie.
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#452839 - 11/08/13 12:33 AM Re: "Theoretical Pedophile" [Re: SoccerStar]
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"The Children’s Literature Program is delighted to announce that the Children’s Literature and Childhood Studies Speaker Series continues with a talk by Dr. James R. Kincaid, Aerol Arnold Chair in English and Professor of English at the University of Southern California.

A distinguished scholar and teacher, Professor Kincaid engages in both literary and cultural criticism, working to expose how we as a culture sexualize the child and institute elaborate scapegoating rituals to disguise and deny what we are doing. His brilliant books Child-Loving: The Erotic Child and Victorian Culture (1992) and Erotic Innocence: The Culture of Child Molesting (1998) have been widely praised and widely read, greatly influencing Victorianists and queer theorists, as well as those who study American culture and children’s literature.

We are so excited to have Professor Kincaid on campus
."

http://www.childrenslit.pitt.edu/clannouncements.html
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#452841 - 11/08/13 01:16 AM Re: "Theoretical Pedophile" [Re: victor-victim]
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Kincaid’s description of the relationship between
paedophilia and “a desire to return, to be the child”.
Kincaid describes how
“memory will hold the child, allow its sexuality to be re-presented over and
over...Through these erotic plays of memory we also reach back to an uncanny union
with childhood, a sense that we are, in the very process of remembering, acting as
children”

https://www.era.lib.ed.ac.uk/bitstream/1842/7883/1/Crockford2012.pdf

James Kincaid has suggested, in his book Child-Loving, that the pedophile is “our most important citizen,” as it is only through the marking of an Other as morally despicable, then systematically casting them out, that our own moral position can be known.

http://ir.uiowa.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1346&context=ijcs
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