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#451265 - 10/25/13 12:44 PM Can we throw up the BS flag now!
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This man says the children cause it. Archbishop slammed

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#451266 - 10/25/13 01:00 PM Re: Can we throw up the BS flag now! [Re: Lost Mountain]
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Well, that's an interesting perspective.

BS flag hoisted.

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#451272 - 10/25/13 01:53 PM Re: Can we throw up the BS flag now! [Re: Lost Mountain]
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The full story is easier to get to thru Fox: FKTARD PRIEST

This guy and the THOUSANDS like him in the the Catholic Church are the second reason baseball bats are made.

Take a look at the very end of the article:

Some 27 Polish priests have been tried for sex abuse since 2001, but most cases ended in suspended prison term — indicating a general leniency for the church in Poland, where religion is taught in schools and senior church officials attend state ceremonies.

I know extra-judicial reaction is discouraged in general...but WTF POLAND???
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#451281 - 10/25/13 05:07 PM Re: Can we throw up the BS flag now! [Re: Lost Mountain]
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Taking my toys, and heading home.


Edited by Castle (12/18/13 07:44 PM)
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#451309 - 10/25/13 11:11 PM Re: Can we throw up the BS flag now! [Re: Castle]
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Originally Posted By: Castle
While really really awful.....Suggesting violence is certainly not the answer, but I have seen it in a few threads of late.

Getting oneself locked up for raging, even against a perp, is not the answer nor should it be considered appropriate method of working through this stuff.

Should one need to really get the blood flowing, I suggest a Mike lew event and some time at "the bag", which is in a safe controlled enviornment.



I already told Mike I call Bull Shit on the bag. I did the bag 5 years ago at one of his retreats and Still feel fearful that my perps will kill me because I broke the "deal."

Any chosen method of healing is not a one method works for everyone play.

And I doubt the men and fathers of Warsaw can make it to a Lew event...but they HAVE been betrayed by their courts.

As for going to jail: Don't you think someone ought to remove the men who utterly destroy the lives and souls of children? I fail to see how that sacrifice requires even a moment of quandary.

In Massachusetts, the animals rarely survive past a year in prison before they die a viciously and nightmarish death...and I always say "bravo.! But being Massachusetts, many get silly short terms and that are then suspended. Again...failure of/by the court.
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#451338 - 10/26/13 11:22 AM Re: Can we throw up the BS flag now! [Re: Lost Mountain]
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Taking my toys, and heading home.


Edited by Castle (12/18/13 07:43 PM)
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#451390 - 10/27/13 12:11 AM Re: Can we throw up the BS flag now! [Re: Castle]
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Originally Posted By: Castle
What I think and know is that violence, raging is not the answer to healing these wounds


I fully agree. If the courts, the church leaders, the Boy Scout leadership, the YMCA leaders, the orphanages, etc would deal with offenders, we would not have a problem. Furthermore, I never consider any of this to be served on a platter of rage. "Rage" is your interpretation of something...I don't know: action? determination? completion? But no justice can be served with rage.

I NEVER think violence is a replacement for, or substitute of the justice system.

I'll say that again as I believe its important and you may thing me a vigilante mentality.

I NEVER think violence is a replacement for, or substitute of the justice system.

Rather, when the courts and the souls who drive them are corrupt or incompetent, justice must Still be served.

AGAIN

When the courts and the souls who drive them are corrupt or incompetent, justice must Still be served.

Children's lives and shredded souls are significant. They are significant enough to attract any level of justice and penalty. Child protection is significant enough to find extra-judicial, or super-judicial solutions to a failed, corrupt, or disinterested court.

Massachusetts is rampant with trial-level judges who let first time offenders walk out the front door of the courthouse once found guilty. Some of the cases are physically brutal rapes. One judge (in the 1990s) put a cross-dressing gay man out on the lose after pulling a 14-yo boy into bushes and raping the shnoz outta him. The judge thought it more "appropriate" to be "sensitive to the special circumstances of the offender."

The boy had physical damage and of course is likely dug-in to our world of psycho-shit.

I find that sort of injustice fully unacceptable for any society...even Warsaw children. The men of Warsaw are welcome to stand up any time now.
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#452121 - 11/01/13 01:11 AM Re: Can we throw up the BS flag now! [Re: Lost Mountain]
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here is an important document from
the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).
the DSM is the standard classification of mental disorders used by mental health professionals in the United States and contains a listing of diagnostic criteria for every psychiatric disorder recognized by the U.S. healthcare system. the American Psychiatric Association.

* http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/13-67-DSM-Correction-103113.pdf
* http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Paraphilic%20Disorders%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf

"In the case of pedophilic disorder, the diagnostic criteria essentially remained the same as in DSM-IV-TR. Only the disorder name was changed from “pedophilia” to “pedophilic disorder” to maintain consistency with the chapter’s other disorder listings.
“Sexual orientation” is not a term used in the diagnostic criteria for pedophilic disorder and its use in the DSM-5 text discussion is an error and should read “sexual interest.” In fact, APA considers pedophilic disorder a “paraphilia,” not a “sexual orientation.” This error will be corrected in the electronic version of DSM-5 and the next printing of the manual.
APA stands firmly behind efforts to criminally prosecute those who sexually abuse and exploit children and adolescents. We also support continued efforts to develop treatments for those with pedophilic disorder with the goal of preventing future acts of abuse.
"

"I am now going to turn from matters that apply to all the paraphilias to my proposal for one specific paraphilia, which is presently called pedophilia. The first thing you will notice is that I have proposed changing the name of the entity from Pedophilia to Pedohebephilic Disorder. You will, of course, want to know the meaning of the word “Pedohebephilic.” This is a compound of two words: pedophilic and hebephilic. Pedophilia, as classically defined by Krafft-Ebing and as still defined in the DSM, denotes sexual attraction to prepubescent children. The word hebephilia, which was coined in the 1950’s, denotes sexual attraction to pubescent children."

LETTER FROM American Psychiatric Association
http://web.archive.org/web/19991010055703/http://www.apa.org/releases/delay.html

"We do not support the "normalization" or decriminalization of any form of sexual relations between adults and children.
Such behavior must remain criminal and punishable to the full extent of the law.
It is the position of the Association that sexual activity between children and adults should never be considered or labeled as harmless or acceptable.
Furthermore, it is the position of the Association that children cannot consent to sexual activity with adults.
"

research sources: trigger warnings
* http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter...bout-pedophilia
* http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
* http://www.b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/speaker/Breslow_abstract.pdf
* http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light
* http://www.jaapl.org/content/39/2/242.full.pdf
* http://www.b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/speaker/Berlin_abstract.pdf
* http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2011/12/4440/
* http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/articles/psychopathology-and-personality-traits-pedophiles
* http://www.b4uact.org/ref/Kramer-20101030.pdf
* http://www.b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/speaker/Sorrentino_abstract.pdf
* http://www.jaapl.org/content/39/1/78.full.pdf
* http://www.neontommy.com/news/2013/10/pedophilia-sexual-orientation
* http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithonthec...an-orientation/
* http://individual.utoronto.ca/ray_blanchard/index_files/WAS_DSM.html
* http://individual.utoronto.ca/ray_blanchard/index_files/EPES.html
* http://afa.net/Media/PressRelease.aspx?id=2147540542
* http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/20...le-hangout.html
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KN0MkiGZvY
* http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/15/conference-aims-to-normalize-pedophilia/
* http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115
* http://www.b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/speaker/Kramer_abstract.pdf
* http://www.b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/Proceedings.pdf
* http://www.b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/proceedings.htm
* http://www.charismanews.com/us/41597-pedophilia-not-classified-as-sexual-orientation-afa-mistaken
* http://www.b4uact.org/ref/APA-2000-DSM4TR-pedophilia.pdf
* http://www.ipce.info/library_3/rbt/metaana.pdf
* http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10508-008-9399-9
* http://b4uact.org/

CANADA: 40th PARLIAMENT, 3rd SESSION
Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights

Universite de Montreal professor, Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem, tells Members that pedophilia is a sexual orientation just like heterosexuality or homosexuality.
* http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=4959361
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#452190 - 11/01/13 11:57 PM Re: Can we throw up the BS flag now! [Re: Lost Mountain]
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And all these word-games about what to call child molesters accomplishes... what?

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#452192 - 11/02/13 12:24 AM Re: Can we throw up the BS flag now! [Re: unhappycamper]
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Posts: 45
Originally Posted By: unhappycamper
And all these word-games about what to call child molesters accomplishes... what?

John


As George Orwell noted of political language, it is intended to hide the truth rather than express it.

"to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind" - George Orwell

Doubleplus ungood

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#452194 - 11/02/13 12:56 AM Re: Can we throw up the BS flag now! [Re: victor-victim]
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This is an excellent review of current literature on What is Pedophilia and How is it Treated.

Originally Posted By: victor-victim
here is an important document from
the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).
the DSM is the standard classification of mental disorders used by mental health professionals in the United States and contains a listing of diagnostic criteria for every psychiatric disorder recognized by the U.S. healthcare system. the American Psychiatric Association.

* http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/13-67-DSM-Correction-103113.pdf
* http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Paraphilic%20Disorders%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf

"In the case of pedophilic disorder, the diagnostic criteria essentially remained the same as in DSM-IV-TR. Only the disorder name was changed from “pedophilia” to “pedophilic disorder” to maintain consistency with the chapter’s other disorder listings.
“Sexual orientation” is not a term used in the diagnostic criteria for pedophilic disorder and its use in the DSM-5 text discussion is an error and should read “sexual interest.” In fact, APA considers pedophilic disorder a “paraphilia,” not a “sexual orientation.” This error will be corrected in the electronic version of DSM-5 and the next printing of the manual.
APA stands firmly behind efforts to criminally prosecute those who sexually abuse and exploit children and adolescents. We also support continued efforts to develop treatments for those with pedophilic disorder with the goal of preventing future acts of abuse.
"

"I am now going to turn from matters that apply to all the paraphilias to my proposal for one specific paraphilia, which is presently called pedophilia. The first thing you will notice is that I have proposed changing the name of the entity from Pedophilia to Pedohebephilic Disorder. You will, of course, want to know the meaning of the word “Pedohebephilic.” This is a compound of two words: pedophilic and hebephilic. Pedophilia, as classically defined by Krafft-Ebing and as still defined in the DSM, denotes sexual attraction to prepubescent children. The word hebephilia, which was coined in the 1950’s, denotes sexual attraction to pubescent children."

LETTER FROM American Psychiatric Association
http://web.archive.org/web/19991010055703/http://www.apa.org/releases/delay.html

"We do not support the "normalization" or decriminalization of any form of sexual relations between adults and children.
Such behavior must remain criminal and punishable to the full extent of the law.
It is the position of the Association that sexual activity between children and adults should never be considered or labeled as harmless or acceptable.
Furthermore, it is the position of the Association that children cannot consent to sexual activity with adults.
"

research sources: trigger warnings
* http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter...bout-pedophilia
* http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
* http://www.b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/speaker/Breslow_abstract.pdf
* http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light
* http://www.jaapl.org/content/39/2/242.full.pdf
* http://www.b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/speaker/Berlin_abstract.pdf
* http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2011/12/4440/
* http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/articles/psychopathology-and-personality-traits-pedophiles
* http://www.b4uact.org/ref/Kramer-20101030.pdf
* http://www.b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/speaker/Sorrentino_abstract.pdf
* http://www.jaapl.org/content/39/1/78.full.pdf
* http://www.neontommy.com/news/2013/10/pedophilia-sexual-orientation
* http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithonthec...an-orientation/
* http://individual.utoronto.ca/ray_blanchard/index_files/WAS_DSM.html
* http://individual.utoronto.ca/ray_blanchard/index_files/EPES.html
* http://afa.net/Media/PressRelease.aspx?id=2147540542
* http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/20...le-hangout.html
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KN0MkiGZvY
* http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/15/conference-aims-to-normalize-pedophilia/
* http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115
* http://www.b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/speaker/Kramer_abstract.pdf
* http://www.b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/Proceedings.pdf
* http://www.b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/proceedings.htm
* http://www.charismanews.com/us/41597-pedophilia-not-classified-as-sexual-orientation-afa-mistaken
* http://www.b4uact.org/ref/APA-2000-DSM4TR-pedophilia.pdf
* http://www.ipce.info/library_3/rbt/metaana.pdf
* http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10508-008-9399-9
* http://b4uact.org/

CANADA: 40th PARLIAMENT, 3rd SESSION
Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights

Universite de Montreal professor, Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem, tells Members that pedophilia is a sexual orientation just like heterosexuality or homosexuality.
* http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=4959361


This is an excellent review of the literature on this subject.

Puffer


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#452195 - 11/02/13 01:07 AM Re: Can we throw up the BS flag now! [Re: Lost Mountain]
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Originally Posted By: Lost Mountain
This man says the children cause it. Archbishop slammed


There's an excellent cartoon which I can't find right now and it's probably copyrighted anyway. It shows a small child in the act of reporting sex abuse by a priest to the pope I think. The reaction is that he says to the boy that he's forgiven. The onus is all on the boy and neither the pope nor the priest have any culpability. It is a cartoon but it is so true.

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#452206 - 11/02/13 02:50 AM Re: Can we throw up the BS flag now! [Re: pufferfish]
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Posts: 3430
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my apologies, lostmountain, unhappycamper, rich, and puffer.
this was accidentally posted here when it was meant to be posted at this URL... http://www.malesurvivor.org/board/ubbthr...2105#Post452105

I will fix everything soon, and put the proper post in this thread, later. sorry.

Originally Posted By: pufferfish
This is an excellent review of current literature on What is Pedophilia and How is it Treated.

Originally Posted By: victor-victim
here is an important document from
the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).
the DSM is the standard classification of mental disorders used by mental health professionals in the United States and contains a listing of diagnostic criteria for every psychiatric disorder recognized by the U.S. healthcare system. the American Psychiatric Association.

* http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/13-67-DSM-Correction-103113.pdf
* http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Paraphilic%20Disorders%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf

"In the case of pedophilic disorder, the diagnostic criteria essentially remained the same as in DSM-IV-TR. Only the disorder name was changed from “pedophilia” to “pedophilic disorder” to maintain consistency with the chapter’s other disorder listings.
“Sexual orientation” is not a term used in the diagnostic criteria for pedophilic disorder and its use in the DSM-5 text discussion is an error and should read “sexual interest.” In fact, APA considers pedophilic disorder a “paraphilia,” not a “sexual orientation.” This error will be corrected in the electronic version of DSM-5 and the next printing of the manual.
APA stands firmly behind efforts to criminally prosecute those who sexually abuse and exploit children and adolescents. We also support continued efforts to develop treatments for those with pedophilic disorder with the goal of preventing future acts of abuse.
"

"I am now going to turn from matters that apply to all the paraphilias to my proposal for one specific paraphilia, which is presently called pedophilia. The first thing you will notice is that I have proposed changing the name of the entity from Pedophilia to Pedohebephilic Disorder. You will, of course, want to know the meaning of the word “Pedohebephilic.” This is a compound of two words: pedophilic and hebephilic. Pedophilia, as classically defined by Krafft-Ebing and as still defined in the DSM, denotes sexual attraction to prepubescent children. The word hebephilia, which was coined in the 1950’s, denotes sexual attraction to pubescent children."

LETTER FROM American Psychiatric Association
http://web.archive.org/web/19991010055703/http://www.apa.org/releases/delay.html

"We do not support the "normalization" or decriminalization of any form of sexual relations between adults and children.
Such behavior must remain criminal and punishable to the full extent of the law.
It is the position of the Association that sexual activity between children and adults should never be considered or labeled as harmless or acceptable.
Furthermore, it is the position of the Association that children cannot consent to sexual activity with adults.
"

research sources: trigger warnings
* http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter...bout-pedophilia
* http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
* http://www.b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/speaker/Breslow_abstract.pdf
* http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light
* http://www.jaapl.org/content/39/2/242.full.pdf
* http://www.b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/speaker/Berlin_abstract.pdf
* http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2011/12/4440/
* http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/articles/psychopathology-and-personality-traits-pedophiles
* http://www.b4uact.org/ref/Kramer-20101030.pdf
* http://www.b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/speaker/Sorrentino_abstract.pdf
* http://www.jaapl.org/content/39/1/78.full.pdf
* http://www.neontommy.com/news/2013/10/pedophilia-sexual-orientation
* http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithonthec...an-orientation/
* http://individual.utoronto.ca/ray_blanchard/index_files/WAS_DSM.html
* http://individual.utoronto.ca/ray_blanchard/index_files/EPES.html
* http://afa.net/Media/PressRelease.aspx?id=2147540542
* http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/20...le-hangout.html
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KN0MkiGZvY
* http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/15/conference-aims-to-normalize-pedophilia/
* http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115
* http://www.b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/speaker/Kramer_abstract.pdf
* http://www.b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/Proceedings.pdf
* http://www.b4uact.org/science/symp/2011/proceedings.htm
* http://www.charismanews.com/us/41597-pedophilia-not-classified-as-sexual-orientation-afa-mistaken
* http://www.b4uact.org/ref/APA-2000-DSM4TR-pedophilia.pdf
* http://www.ipce.info/library_3/rbt/metaana.pdf
* http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10508-008-9399-9
* http://b4uact.org/

CANADA: 40th PARLIAMENT, 3rd SESSION
Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights

Universite de Montreal professor, Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem, tells Members that pedophilia is a sexual orientation just like heterosexuality or homosexuality.
* http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=4959361


This is an excellent review of the literature on this subject.

Puffer

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#452288 - 11/02/13 10:14 PM Re: Can we throw up the BS flag now! [Re: Lost Mountain]
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Lost Mountain... again, an interesting article.
Reminds me PAINFULLY when the female therapist handed me a checklist for codependency when I told her I had been raped...
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#452298 - 11/02/13 11:39 PM Re: Can we throw up the BS flag now! [Re: Lost Mountain]
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I am raising a second flag for the posted links. What do you think?

A few other spots on the linked sites include a primer against marriage equality and identification of lack of faith as a mental illness.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithonthec...-to-do-instead/

This link has its own button on the gay agenda. Since I am Bi I was only able to read half the articles:
http://www.charismanews.com/index.php/search/?searchword=Gay%2520agenda&areas%5b0%5d=gitags

Finally the entire "issue" was a call to arms from the American Family Association - an organization labeled by the SPLC as a hate group.
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#452302 - 11/03/13 01:19 AM Re: Can we throw up the BS flag now! [Re: Lost Mountain]
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blush my apologies, once again, for the previous off topic post.
the following is what I originally intended to share.
-------------------------------------------------------

I found these other articles with similar themes.

'Paedophilia not criminal condition' says Durban cardinal
The Catholic Archbishop of Durban, Wilfrid Fox Napier, has described paedophilia as a psychological "illness, not a criminal condition".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21810980
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...l-conclave.html
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/16/south-african-cardinal-paedophilia-crime


Dutch Catholic Priest Pedophilia Endorsement Shocks Church
A Roman Catholic order of priests sacked its leader in the Netherlands and disciplined another priest after the two publicly defended pedophile sex.
The scandal erupted when RTL radio reported the priest, named only as Rev. Van Balkom, had been a board member of a lobbying group advocating sex between adults and children.
He told RTL that few children suffered from such relationships.
When asked about the case, Rev. Herman Spronck, leader of the Dutch Salesians, said he agreed pedophile sex could be accepted.

http://www.onderzoekrk.nl/fileadmin/comm...en__Engels_.pdf
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20110521/D9NBQ01G0.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/23/us-netherlands-catholic-paedophilia-idUSTRE74M57X20110523
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...aedophilia.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-202_162-20064891.html
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/shock-after-dutch-priest-endorses-pedophilia
http://incaelo.wordpress.com/2011/05/23/thre-press-releases-from-the-salesians/
http://chiesapaesibassi.blogspot.ca/2011/05/van-balkom-e-spronck-dimessi-e-il-club.html
ORIGINAL DUTCH:
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/reconstructie-pedofiele-pater
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/pater-lid-van-pedofielenvereniging
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/pedoschandaal-salesiaanse-kerkorde-0
http://www.katholiek.nl/opinie/nee-overste-spronck-seks-met-12-jarigen-kan-niet/

Priest Puts Blame on Some Victims of Sexual Abuse
The Rev. Benedict Groeschel, who made the remarks, is a beloved figure among many Catholics and a founder of Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, a conservative priestly order based in New York. He hosts a weekly show on the Eternal Word Television Network and has written 45 books.
“Suppose you have a man having a nervous breakdown, and a youngster comes after him,” Father Groeschel, now 79, said in the interview. “A lot of the cases, the youngster — 14, 16, 18 — is the seducer.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/31/nyregi...e-seducers.html
http://abcnews.go.com/US/catholic-priest-rev-benedict-groeschel-defends-child-sex/story?id=17114892
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/06/benedict-groeschel-retire_n_1859753.html

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