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#450010 - 10/12/13 11:45 PM Re: Just so angry [Re: tbkkfile]
mattheal Offline
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Registered: 06/10/12
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For what it's worth, my personal disbelief in ANYTHING supernatural is based on reason and my own experiences. I think we as survivors are often forced to examine our own lives once we are ready, and I can't imagine any of ones beliefs/disbeliefs that stem from anger and hatred will last very long if one is truly being honest with themselves. I think both sides clearly show that belief or disbelief and hate are not mutually exclusive.

I like what Mark Twain had to say about man's journey for truth:

"We are always hearing of people who are around seeking after truth. I have never seen a (permanent) specimen. I think he had never lived. But I have seen several entirely sincere people who thought they were (permanent) Seekers after Truth. They sought diligently, persistently, carefully, cautiously, profoundly, with perfect honesty and nicely adjusted judgment—until they believed that without doubt or question they had found the Truth. That was the end of the search. The man spent the rest of his life hunting up shingles wherewith to protect his Truth from the weather. If he was seeking after political Truth he found it in one or another of the hundred political gospels which govern men in the earth; if he was seeking after the Only True Religion he found it in one or another of the three thousand that are on the market. In any case, when he found the Truth he sought no further; but from that day forth, with his soldering-iron in one hand and his bludgeon in the other he tinkered its leaks and reasoned with objectors."
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It's okay to find the faith to saunter forward
With no fear of shadows spreading where you stand
And you'll breathe easier just knowing
that the worst is all behind you
And the waves that tossed the raft all night
have set you on dry land
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#450309 - 10/16/13 12:58 AM Re: Just so angry [Re: tbkkfile]
tbkkfile Offline


Registered: 09/16/13
Posts: 181
Loc: Surrey, United Kingdom
Religion sure is an emotive issue, but thanks to everyone for giving me their perspective both here and via PM's its really appreciated and has helped greatly.

I feel the need to explore this further but face to face with someone and will let you know how I get on.

Thanks to everyone again
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Go back?" he thought. "No good at all! Go sideways? Impossible! Go forward? Only thing to do! On we go!" So up he got, and trotted along with his little sword held in front of him and one hand feeling the wall, and his heart all of a patter and a pitter

J.R.R.Tolkien, The Hobbit

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#450335 - 10/16/13 10:25 AM Re: Just so angry [Re: tbkkfile]
victor-victim Offline


Registered: 09/27/03
Posts: 3336
Loc: O Kanada
i tend to go by the "work in progress" ideal.

belief is a working model of truth.
it is like a map i am continuously fashioning out of the wilderness in which i wander.
the map is NOT the territory!

absolute truth is beyond the grasp of any mortal's lifetime.
belief is only a temporary and efficient arrangement of axioms.
as new facts emerge, the belief system must be updated and upgraded.
no functional belief system should contradict the facts.
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#450346 - 10/16/13 12:00 PM Re: Just so angry [Re: tbkkfile]
tbkkfile Offline


Registered: 09/16/13
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Loc: Surrey, United Kingdom
Well said Victor

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no functional belief system should contradict the facts.
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Go back?" he thought. "No good at all! Go sideways? Impossible! Go forward? Only thing to do! On we go!" So up he got, and trotted along with his little sword held in front of him and one hand feeling the wall, and his heart all of a patter and a pitter

J.R.R.Tolkien, The Hobbit

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#450379 - 10/16/13 06:05 PM Re: Just so angry [Re: tbkkfile]
victor-victim Offline


Registered: 09/27/03
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Loc: O Kanada
the only problem is,
1 don't have all the facts, and
the ones 1 have keep changing.
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