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#449846 - 10/11/13 12:24 PM Just so angry
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Registered: 09/16/13
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Loc: Surrey, United Kingdom
Well where do I start - life long hater of anything related to religion, confirmed atheist.......

My anger was my wall, my friend, my protection, it was something that I could hide behind, just another side of me trying to self destruct I guess, I could direct it at the things that I blamed.

But I'm exhausted being angry, and lately now that I've started down this road of healing, there's a little more room in my life for a few chinks of light to enter and against everything that I believe in or don't depending on your view I'm feeling drawn to question my non belief.

So guys what to do now
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#449872 - 10/11/13 07:21 PM Re: Just so angry [Re: tbkkfile]
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Registered: 08/26/08
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I am right along with you on the religion thing . I can not stand religious people the people that have their own idea of what everyone one else should or should not be doing according to their own interpretation. I will not hound you with just come to Jesus stuff . I will however say start out with prayer and see where it takes you . I can only say that I can only tell you what works for me and if that does not work for you that is cool. If at some point what you are doing is not working for you and you want to know what is working for me i will be more than happy to share. Respectfully always is the key we can agree to disagree is the way i like to say it . It is ok to disagree on things just do not be disagreeable.



I like your quote by Carl Sagan by the way , really feeling that
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#449876 - 10/11/13 08:50 PM Re: Just so angry [Re: tbkkfile]
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Well...my testimony is out there for all to see, but the religious people re-hurt me, but never once have they pushed me away from my faith. i have no faith in mankind except that it will always be sin-based and evil. We are never told in the Bible to "have faith in our fellow man." We are told our fellow man is sinful and wicked...and the Bible is right...without exception, the Bible is right.

We have evidence ALL around us that man is filth and nasty and wicked...horrid. There are so many testimonies to the wickedness of man, I can';t watch ANY local news as I get sick.

Surely, (Shirley) there HAS to be something other than what we see and hear is real...every day. We see and KNOW that mankind is total sh*t, but many have a hard time seeing the opposition.

I'll be blunt: I think atheism is a high regard of man...faith in man and a religion of and for and by man. Atheism has boundaries and limits. No one can define the same atheism from person to person. But atheism is not a void. Its not a vacuum. Its a set of disbeliefs. Said disbeliefs seem to get replaced with many things OF this world, like porn, booze, money, self, a 2002 Lamborghini in pearlecent white and elkhide seats.

I look to NO religion for anything except certain folly. I look to my faith in Christ for all things true, right and good.
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#449877 - 10/11/13 09:45 PM Re: Just so angry [Re: tbkkfile]
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hey tbk
I think that you might get a lot out of a book called "the problem of pain" it is old written by C.S. lewis who wrote a LOT of good stuff btw. it is a little complex but it talks about pain and his take on it. it is from a christian perspective though not so much about religion. I have always tried to just be open to whatever understanding I can have though I believe there are things I will never be able to understand and that irks me. in the end I do believe in God and I think he can be known, I think I have tended to disagree with him a lot about things in my life and yet I still feel he loves me... go figure??? I guess dont understand a LOT lol
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#449901 - 10/12/13 06:35 AM Re: Just so angry [Re: tbkkfile]
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Registered: 09/21/13
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Loc: Southeast USA
The chapter o the agnostic is very simple, very good. It is in the AA big book, but a great read.

I was so anti religious when I joined AA, I would not read it for almost 3 years smile

Still not into big organized religion, except for enjoying Christmas shows and choral things on holidays. A departure from my rock and blues steady diet.

Reading it gave a different perspective I could work with.
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#449929 - 10/12/13 12:13 PM Re: Just so angry [Re: tbkkfile]
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Welcome to MaleSurvivor-

Being willing to question your positions and seek information is a sign of progress.

I relate to having a defensive wall built up around me until a few chinks opened up and I sought out some answers. Those answers seemed to make some sense (the chapter "To Agnostics" in the AA Big Book is a classic.
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#449948 - 10/12/13 03:50 PM Re: Just so angry [Re: tbkkfile]
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Registered: 01/01/13
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Originally Posted By: tbkkfile
Well where do I start - life long hater of anything related to religion, confirmed atheist.......

My anger was my wall, my friend, my protection, it was something that I could hide behind, just another side of me trying to self destruct I guess, I could direct it at the things that I blamed.

But I'm exhausted being angry, and lately now that I've started down this road of healing, there's a little more room in my life for a few chinks of light to enter and against everything that I believe in or don't depending on your view I'm feeling drawn to question my non belief.

So guys what to do now


It's good to recognize our anger and be in control of it. As long as we are angry at someone or something, that person/thing has a certain amount of power over us.

Just remember that hating religion and believing in it aren't the only two options. You can deal with your emotions about it and be at peace with it and still not believe it is true.
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#449961 - 10/12/13 05:06 PM Re: Just so angry [Re: tbkkfile]
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Loc: USA
Believe or don't believe, it's up to the individual. I'm ok with that. What I am not ok with is when someone else says "I will define how you may believe."
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#449989 - 10/12/13 09:12 PM Re: Just so angry [Re: BuffaloCO]
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Originally Posted By: BuffaloCO
Believe or don't believe, it's up to the individual. I'm ok with that. What I am not ok with is when someone else says "I will define how you may believe."


Yeah...we're all gonna have a bitch of a time with Islam...yeah...
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#449994 - 10/12/13 10:26 PM Re: Just so angry [Re: tbkkfile]
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i was in the same situation when i turned 50.
this is what worked for me.

even though i am a skeptic doubter and a backsliding hypocrite,
i still highly recommend reading the bible (EVERY DAY) and private prayer (AS REQUIRED SEVERAL TIMES A DAY) and fellowship with other like-minded seekers of truth (TWICE A WEEK).

keeping these habits for the last few years has improved and benefited my life and relationships immeasurably.
(and believe me, i hated god and religion.)

i really don't care if it's true anymore.
i don't care that it doesn't make any sense.
i just know that it works.
for me.
and i hope it can work for you or others.

my anger and fear have mostly disappeared.
as a result, my behaviour has become much more manageable.
no drug has ever done that for me. ever.
no therapy or self help system has worked as well.

that is all i can tell you.
contemplating supernatural and spiritual matters has provided me with a long-overdue inner peace.
after a lifetime exploring and studying
the available choices out there, (i even tried to invent and create my own religion a few times) i prefer the collections of books known as the bible, especially the gospels and prophets.

there is timeless wisdom there.

hope this helps.
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