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#449187 - 10/04/13 05:37 PM Re: shocker: bible declares "there is no god" [Re: victor-victim]
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there is an interesting fact here that is easily over looked. the king James bible like ANY other is an imperfect rendering of the original languages. In the passage being discussed here. the words " THERE IS " is italicized. meaning it is added for read- ability. if we remove those words I think it speaks more to me as a survivor. " Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, "no God". or I will have no God, or some such thing. the difference is so subtle and yet it changes things. when I read it in this way I see myself and my interaction with God in a different way. It seems to help me think of my difficulty in relationship with Him in that I read it more as a warning to me personally. When I am so consumed with the "why" and I become so petulant and stomp my feet and shout and hit,it is then that He is saying to me , I know it hurts, but I am here.
Just my thoughts
Jeff
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#449194 - 10/04/13 06:20 PM Re: shocker: bible declares "there is no god" [Re: tbkkfile]
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Registered: 09/27/03
Posts: 3536
Loc: O Kanada
Originally Posted By: tbkkfile
So I'm a fool, corrupt, my deeds are vile, I'm an evildoer, not particularly nice to the poor?


in psalm 14 it also says...

"2 The LORD looks down from heaven on the sons of men to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God. 3 All have turned aside, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one."

that means "not even one".
that means "not even" me.
there is no one who does good.
all we can do is try.

i love that prayer...

The Serenity Prayer

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
Taking, as He did, this sinful world
as it is, not as I would have it;
Trusting that He will make all things right
if I surrender to His Will;
That I may be reasonably happy in this life
and supremely happy with Him
Forever in the next.
Amen.

--Reinhold Niebuhr


am i corrupt, a fool, an evildoer?
am i not particularly nice to the poor?
are my deeds vile?
speaking for myself...
guilty.

Proverbs 12:15
"The way of a fool is right in his own eyes,
But he who heeds counsel is wise
."
Proverbs 1:5-7
"Let the wise listen and add to their learning,
and let the discerning get guidance—
for understanding proverbs and parables,
the sayings and riddles of the wise.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge,
but fools despise wisdom and instruction
."
John 14:26
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost,
whom the Father will send in my name,
he shall teach you all things,
and bring all things to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have said unto you
."
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#449243 - 10/05/13 02:34 AM Re: shocker: bible declares "there is no god" [Re: victor-victim]
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Registered: 09/16/13
Posts: 283
Loc: Surrey, United Kingdom
My apologies to all, I shouldn't have lashed out and quite frankly it was unforgiveable, I was in a bad place.

Victor your last post moved me to tears

Quote:
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
Taking, as He did, this sinful world
as it is, not as I would have it;
Trusting that He will make all things right
if I surrender to His Will;
That I may be reasonably happy in this life
and supremely happy with Him
Forever in the next.
Amen.
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To look forward and not back,
To look out and not in

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#449246 - 10/05/13 03:31 AM Re: shocker: bible declares "there is no god" [Re: victor-victim]
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Registered: 09/27/03
Posts: 3536
Loc: O Kanada
we're all getting better. together.

please do not feel inhibited.
post your own truth.
there was no offense.
it made me think.

thanks.
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#449317 - 10/06/13 02:34 AM Re: shocker: bible declares "there is no god" [Re: victor-victim]
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Registered: 09/16/13
Posts: 283
Loc: Surrey, United Kingdom
I'm rude in my post but you thank me Victor-victim, that's pretty humbling, is that what God gives you?
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#449320 - 10/06/13 02:50 AM Re: shocker: bible declares "there is no god" [Re: tbkkfile]
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Registered: 09/27/03
Posts: 3536
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i don't think you were rude.
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