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#447527 - 09/18/13 10:17 AM What Works in Sex Offender Treatment
Jude Offline


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What Works in Sex Offender Treatment-Time Magazine
TIME speaks with Dr. Renee Sorrentino of Massachusetts' Institute for Sexual Wellness about sex-offender treatment and her work with pedophiles
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#447639 - 09/19/13 02:05 PM Re: What Works in Sex Offender Treatment [Re: Jude]
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thanks for posting this.

some comments worth noting and quoting from dr.renee sorrentino.

"The majority of sex offenders do not have a history of child sexual abuse."

"Pedophilia is just sexual orientation — it’s no different than saying someone is interested in adult women.
It doesn’t say anything about the appetite, just says something about the object of interest."

"Most pedophiles have some interest in adults."

"In individuals that have no normal sexual interests or are at high risk of recidivism,
we may forgo that, and they’re going to have sexual dysfunction."

"Pedophilia is a risk factor, but so is lack of intimacy or support.
People who are not involved in relationships are also higher risk.
Working on bolstering those things decreases recidivism."

"What a majority of these guys are struggling with is how to live life with a sexual attraction that’s against the law."

"Just the medication itself is $800 a month, never mind the monitoring."

"We have pedophiles who want treatment but can’t afford it."

found some related articles on that website.
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http://healthland.time.com/2012/02/15/how-child-abuse-primes-the-brain-for-future-mental-illness/
http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1807730,00.html
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1920911,00.html
http://healthland.time.com/2013/02/01/registries-dont-keep-sex-offenders-from-restricted-areas/
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1878462,00.html
http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/14/understanding-the-psychopathic-mind/
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#447654 - 09/19/13 04:04 PM Re: What Works in Sex Offender Treatment [Re: Jude]
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"The majority of sex offenders do not have a history of child sexual abuse."

I've watched this issue and talked to prison industryprofessionals on this question for several years.

You need to know that the category of " sex offenders "for these people includes Violent rapists.

In my over two decades of 12 step recovery and prison work i can say there's a definite distinction between sick people who habitually commits offenses against children (most of whom were themsves abused as kids) and the types of people who rape.

I don't want to start an argument here , but consider the pathology of the act involved.
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#447704 - 09/19/13 11:10 PM Re: What Works in Sex Offender Treatment [Re: Mountainous Buck]
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Originally Posted By: Mountainous Buck
....i can say there's a definite distinction between sick people who habitually commits offenses against children (most of whom were themsves abused as kids) and the types of people who rape....I don't want to start an argument here , but consider the pathology of the act involved.

Whoa there MB! Not up for an argument, but exactly how do "rapists" differ from "sick people who habitually commits offenses against children"? Don't they both perpetrate violence by forcing sex upon another person, either using physical force or emotional manipulation?

I honestly don't know what makes a person become a rapist Vs. a pedophile, but as a CSA survivor, even with all my bizarre behaviors, becoming a pedophile has never even occured to me. I'd say thats probably true for the vast majority of MS members.
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I caught a fleeting glimpse
Out of the corner of my eye
I turned to look but it was gone
I cannot put my finger on it now
The child is grown, the dream is gone
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#447729 - 09/20/13 08:37 AM Re: What Works in Sex Offender Treatment [Re: Jude]
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Jude

Thanks for your questions.

All crimes have a different pathology and run different courses- burglary is different than robbery, embezzling is different than a Ponzi scheme, etc.

Emotional manipulation, grooming, and exploiting relationships (a common CSA experience) are quite different than using violence or threat of death - not better, not worse, just different. My own CSA was violent and yet not the category of crime as people who have been raped by strangers. And while pornography definitely is not a victimless crime, those who are criminal users or producers of pornography should not be in the same class as rapists or other sex offenders

My point is that the there are different types of sex offenses and the imprecise language used by people like the one quoted in the Time article is misleading and adds to public confusion instead of creating greater understanding.

I see you immediately jumped to the old argument that abuse makes a person an abuser- this is the type of confusion that I see all the time.

Earlier this month, I was working with a law enforcement professional who works with sex offenders (these are the very types like the one quoted in the Time article) and they were astonished that people who attend 12 step meetings for sex addiction are NOT sex offenders. Astonished, that addicts are NOT offenders. Its almost like thinking alcoholics are drug dealers.


Read carefully and slowly: I would never maintain that abuse victims end up as offenders.

That is NOT the same as the observation that most offenders who perpetrate CSA have been abused themselves years earlier. I know my abusers were all abused by the same guy who later tried to groom me.

I again urge caution in discussing this topic to avoid jumping to conclusions:


Edited by Mountainous Buck (09/20/13 08:50 AM)
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#448195 - 09/25/13 10:37 AM Re: What Works in Sex Offender Treatment [Re: Jude]
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Registered: 08/22/13
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Loc: Minnesota
I don't have the links handy but I know Minnesota's DOC has a couple cool reports on the topic.

Edit: Found it. At the bottom of the page there are a couple of reports on treatment and recidivism in the state. 180% off of what I "always knew" from the media.

http://www.doc.state.mn.us/publications/publications.htm#so


Edited by Onesimus75 (09/25/13 10:51 AM)
Edit Reason: found the link.
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#448694 - 09/29/13 02:48 PM Re: What Works in Sex Offender Treatment [Re: Jude]
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Pardon my pointing this out, but Myth #6 Vampire syndrome on the home page of this website states something I have seen born out in most professional literature, which is that while most abusers were abused themselves as children, in fact most abused children DO NOT go on to abuse others. Its a hard concept to initially understand but makes sense if you make a chart of it. Big circle of survivors with a much smaller circle of abusers overlaid with a small portion of the abusers outside the much larger circle of survivors.

Other than that, pretty informative. It is important that resources be devoted to help those potential abusers who realize their problem and seek help. That is why AA works, it goes well beyond telling an alcoholic "just don't drink" because that just doesn't work.
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