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#447433 - 09/17/13 07:55 AM “Rape the gay away”
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“Rape the gay away” pastor won’t serve time
Notorious Iowa pastor gets his sentence reduced and visitation rights with his children

Iowa pastor and youth counselor Brent Girouex, who claimed with a straight face that he was trying to “cure” teenage boys of their “homosexual urges” by having sex with them, has had his sentence reduced from 17 years in prison to sex offender treatment and probation.

Since Girouex confessed to having sex with four underage boys, eight additional young men have come forward saying they were sexually violated by the 31-year-old pastor. Girouex, who is not longer a pastor at the Victory Fellowship Church, believed that he could rape away the gay by “praying while he had sexual contact” with the boys, all in an effort to keep them “sexually pure” for God.

According to reports, he told police that “when they would ejaculate, they would be getting rid of the evil thoughts in their mind.”

Girouex, a married father of four, has had a fair share of backlash since he publicly made his disturbing practices known. One of his most ardent opponents is his wife Erin, who has spoken out against both him and the reduced sentence he received after the initial 17 years he was to serve in prison.

“I don’t want [my children] anywhere near him,” Erin Girouex said to KCII local news. She stated that she has plans for divorce, but that her husband’s wanting to see their kids has complicated matters. Currently, he has a court-ordered, twice-per-month visitation schedule, where he must be supervised by his own mother.

While the claim of raping in order to make the victim sexually pure is novel, rapists having their sentences reduced to virtually nothing is not. Girouex’s drastic sentence reduction follows closely behind the heels of the actions of a Montana judge, who sentenced a convicted rapist to serve just 30 days in jail, and made comments about how his 14-year-old victim was an active participant in the sexual relationship. The victim, a girl in this case, subsequently committed suicide, and the judge apologized for his remarks, but left the light sentence in place.

From a Sept 19, 2013 SALON Article:

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#447713 - 09/20/13 02:36 AM Re: “Rape the gay away” [Re: Still]
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#447742 - 09/20/13 12:17 PM Re: “Rape the gay away” [Re: Still]
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That judge is insane.
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#447785 - 09/20/13 11:13 PM Re: “Rape the gay away” [Re: Still]
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These are the articles where you wish there was the good ol' days, where someone "just disappeared" and was never heard from again, but all the towns folks were smiling while they all said "I don't know what happened to him" when the Sheriff came back from visiting his wife's kin down south.

And yes, decent good kind loving folks also "disappeared" (chased out of town in the middle of the night or murdered) by hateful people as well.

But in this case, concerning this Judge and this "Preacher" well I think they both should be handcuffed together for a five year period.

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#447793 - 09/21/13 01:23 AM Re: “Rape the gay away” [Re: GeorgeMartin]
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Originally Posted By: GeorgeMartin

These are the articles where you wish there was the good ol' days, where someone "just disappeared" and was never heard from again, but all the towns folks were smiling while they all said "I don't know what happened to him" when the Sheriff came back from visiting his wife's kin down south.


*shudder*. I know what you mean about wishing common sense would win out over legalese, but all things considered I'd rather work for better laws not wish for ways around them. Not everyone who disappeared back then deserved to.
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#447876 - 09/22/13 04:50 AM Re: “Rape the gay away” [Re: Still]
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Originally Posted By: Still
“Rape the gay away” pastor won’t serve time

Save the youth from homosexuality by sodomizing them? Making them ejaculate their sinful thoughts away? A very novel defense. Too bad he didn't have to serve time. The boys in the big house would have loved to test the "rape the stupid away" theory out on him.

And I hope at least for early retirement for the judge who allowed it.
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#447908 - 09/22/13 02:14 PM Re: “Rape the gay away” [Re: Still]
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When I read the article, I was astounded. Simply, purely astounded. If the young pastor "cleansed" 12 teens of their sin and homosexuality, I just wonder how many more did not come forward. And how many more in the future will ejaculate for the pastor as he prays for the demons to be released. This is disgusting.

"Rape the gay away..." I am just astounded (and disgusted).
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#448007 - 09/23/13 04:03 PM Re: “Rape the gay away” [Re: Still]
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Both judges probably practice what they preach.

Rape the gay away.

What a bunch of assholes. One asshole believes that crap about pure for god????? That's just pure crap

That montana asshole judge, by the way, just killed a 14 year old girl.

My mother used to give me an enema once or twice a week until I was 12. I would be fucken naked on my bed on my back with her arm laying on my stomach and holding the hose with her hand between my legs. I wonder why I would get an erection from that and get evil thoughts. Anyway, she would try and slap it down saying that I should get rid those dirty thoughts out of my head. I didn't think anything of it until the asshole would try and slap the damn thing down. After she tried a few times, by then I was thinking of dirty thoughts to do to her, I wanted to piss on her. I'm glad she wasn't a priest, though, otherwise she would have used a baseball bat to slap that "thing" down.

Slap the evil thoughts away.

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#448236 - 09/25/13 08:29 PM Re: “Rape the gay away” [Re: Still]
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Is this really America? The worst part about it is it happens way too often.
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#448294 - 09/26/13 08:39 AM Re: “Rape the gay away” [Re: GeorgeMartin]
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this pastor horrifies me deeply. A, I'm a Christian. B, I'm a celibate bisexual with many friends in the ex-gay movement, as well as loved ones who are actively in the lifestyle. This guys is everything we don't believe. Can't believe this guy even exists.

I have no idea what the rational is for reducing his sentence. What could he have done? He didn't stop himself, didn't turn himself in, didn't turn states evidence... from 17 years to ?!?!nothing?!?!?!

Now, that aside:

Originally Posted By: GeorgeMartin
These are the articles where you wish there was the good ol' days, where someone "just disappeared" and was never heard from again, but all the towns folks were smiling while they all said "I don't know what happened to him" when the Sheriff came back from visiting his wife's kin down south.


I heard a lot of talk like that back home in Ohio.

From the KKK. Except they were talking about ethnic minorities, homosexuals, or religious differences.

If I don't let my perp off the hook for rape because he was abused, I'm not going to let us off the hook for murder, or fantasies of murder, just because we were.

Gotta draw the line somewhere, 'cause the double standard is biting us in the backside on this one.


Edited by Onesimus75 (09/26/13 09:26 AM)
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#448349 - 09/26/13 07:59 PM Re: “Rape the gay away” [Re: Still]
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Onesimus, my post was reflective of what someone said to me after reading this article. Not my own personal thinking on the matter. But I hear this same type of thought, from a lot of people too, usually in editorial sections of the newspapers towards offenders.

Myself, I find that communities are not allowed to address an offender, even indirectly. Once the offense is found to be justifiable in legal charges being filed by a prosecutor, the offender is usually detained, incarcerated until their sentencing and then whisked off to fulfill their sentence of incarceration.

The community itself is left to deal with their trauma unto themselves. We read about offender(s), we sometimes read about their victim(s). It is extremely RARE that anyone reads of the offenders rehabilitation, offender treatment success, or the victim(s) successful life thereafter.

For example, there was a man Mr. Gibson living in upper Coos County, NH, and he offended once or twice, was incarcerated, was on the Sexual Offender Registry list, and came back into the community, and re-offended yet again .....

Gibson's 23-page criminal history goes back to the late 1980s, and according to the New Hampshire Sex Offender Registry, includes multiple convictions each for failing to report to court, disorderly conduct, burglary, theft, resisting arrest, simple assault, criminal threatening and criminal mischief.

In 2009, Gibson was convicted of felonious sexual assault on a child less than 13 years old and in 1999 was convicted of attempted sexual assault.

Also in 2009, Gibson was convicted of escape, simple assault and resisting arrest and in 2005 was convicted of indecent exposure and lewdness.

http://caledonianrecord.com/main.asp?SectionID=180&SubSectionID=778&ArticleID=92610

So yeah, even though some people would think that this sort of person, just "disappear" like in the old days, it doesn't happen that way today. They get caught, they get incarcerated, and they get out, and SOMETIMES they begin the "grooming" process and victimization AGAIN and AGAIN, not just to the "victim(s)" but the to the communities in which they reside.

If a dog bites a child, we grab the dog, lock the dog up, and mostly the dog is given the death penalty, and even the "owner" of the "pet" is located, and charged as well. If a horse breaks a leg, it is shot. Or we find an animal foaming at the mouth, bat sh** crazy, we as a human community, tend to kill the animal.

I am not advocating or suggesting by any stretch of the imagination that someone harass, maim, harm or kill anyone else for any reason whatsoever. Not even offenders of sexual abuse.

Yet, how does a community deal with and relate to sexual offenders who have abused others, in such a way, and that community witnesses a Judicial system, that simply seems to pat the hand of the offender, and later releases them back into the community, only to read about that offender re-offending over and over and over again, someone else's child, etc?

As single parent, or parents, or grandparent(s), most want to assume their communities are SAFE to live in, secure in the mental comfort that their children can be children inside and outside of their homes, free from abuse and so on that threatens a child's physical, mental and sexual well-being.

Seeing some sexual predators continuing to re-offend over and over again, angers communities across this country. Obviously the Sexual Offender Registries in each town/city, county and state isn't curtailing some deviant sexual offenders. The lists just keep getting long and longer. Some offenders are resorting to living homeless under bridges in Florida.

Subsequently the Judiciary is finding it more and more difficult to keep track of offenders, because the released offenders are released into usually the SAME communities they offended in, where there are such restrictions as not living within the areas of schools and daycare centers etc.

We live in a society that is paranoid about sexual abuse of our children, and yet it fails to realize that it is those children's own mother's, fathers, aunt or uncle, "friend-of-the-family, or grandparent, etc that can and do offend WITHIN and around the homes of their victim(s). Not usually some "stranger danger". Even preachers/priests, policeman, or judge .... can and are sexual predators against children.

Obviously, something is wrong with that Judge, giving that perp a mere 30 days incarceration. And I am sure some folks in that particular community, just as much as any other, are thinking and wishing that such a deviant person, would just "disappear".

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#448376 - 09/27/13 12:50 AM Re: “Rape the gay away” [Re: Still]
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Hi George Martin,
I hear you. Serial offenders like that drive me bug-futz, and thinking about them can ruin my entire day.
[Edit: Apologies up front. This is sort of triggering for me and it turned rambling as I sort of got verbose to compensate.]

You make so many great points! And I agree with a ton of what you say!

It's a tangled, terrible problem with no simple solution.

I totally agree with what you said about the gap between public perception (stranger in a trench coat, which still unfortunately happens and those are the really terrible rape/murder types) and most of the abuse (family or person in a position of trust) that I feel caught a lot of the time trying to explain it to people without sounding like I'm excusing the national-news-making trench coat types.

Up north the poster boy for un-reformed un-repentant monster types is the rapist/murderer of Dru Sjodin that made the news 8 years or so ago. The perp sat in prison and talked about the fact that he'd do it again if they let him out, and they let him out. (A double-tragedy since our state has a perfectly functional civil-commitment process where you can put someone who's an ongoing danger to the community in guarded care for their whole lives if that's what it takes.)

No clue what to do with that judge, either.

I hate the effects of abuse and what it does to people so bad that I'm willing to take part in a jail ministry that offers religious support, accountability, and challenge to change among its other duties. (I can't got into tons of detail as the head of the ministry does *not* like publicity.) As part of that though I have corresponded with murderers, rapists, child pornographers... I try really hard to understand that there's such a need to try and change these people.

I hate re-offending even more than offending, 'cause I can sort of grasp someone abused or warped growing up not understanding the damage they're doing. (Sort of wish I could sit them down and read half this board...) But I have so much less compassion for people who don't care, and can't/won't try to change. Those people make me glad my belief system incorporates a hell.

My state's Dept of Corrections did a huge study on re-offending and options back in 2007. They tracked 3,000+ offenders out of prison for 3-16 years. The overall re-offending rate was 12% re-arrested, 10% re-convicted, and 7% re-incarcerated (prison instead of jail or tighter probation). Perps were acquaintances 57%, family members 32%, and strangers 11%.

The big things they talked about reducing recidivism were: A] close supervision for the first 3-5 years when most re-offending happened, B] participating in treatment was a 24% drop, completing was a 50% or so drop. And more than one probation agent / LEO had talked about how the more isolated someone is the more likely they are to reoffend.

I hate the pain and suffering abuse causes. But I hit the point that for me and my skill-set and world-view, the most that I can possibly do to protect people is what I'm doing.

I considered the "disappearing" thing... and what goes through my head in terms of abuse prevention and victim's well-fare is a quote that I heard the then lieutenant governor of Texas (NOT a soft on crime state) say: The problem with automatic life sentences is that since most perps are friends and family, victims won't want to send their father/uncle/brother to prison for life.

How much silence will it create if the victim, while they're still being abused, still under the control of the grooming and their perp's lies, would have to sentence the perp to death by telling? Some would, for the violent rapes and strangers... And I think everyone gets the point at least once if not a hundred times in the healing process of wishing their perp dead. But that's years or decades down the road more often than not. Again, terrible problem and I'm not smart enough.

It's not a perfect solution. I don't think there is one because perps, crimes, and methods vary so hugely. But if writing to enemies in the hopes of changing them works one time in ten... if it's just one less re-offense in a hundred... or in my lifetime... Gotta try. I gotta try. But it does require that I study religiously and about offending all the time. I wish I could dump some stuff out of my brain. I never wanted to know it. Etc.

But THIS guy, this "pastor" who isn't just against everything I believe and stand for and everything I want to do with my life... And the judge who set him free... wow. speechless.

The Florida thing should probably be another thread. That one makes me nuts. Most of those guys aren't allowed to live anywhere but under over-passes. And that just isolates them, which just makes them more likely to offend... which means more hurt kids... GAR. Where's the solution? i'm sure I don't have it.

I'm just trying my best. I didn't mean to point fingers. I just think we need to stay better than them. Whether or not they always understood the damage they were doing (and i don't believe this pastor creep for a second) the damage tried to make us inhuman. We become inhuman... we let them win.

Not pointing fingers. If I thought people disappearing would work... I'd consider it myself.


Edited by Onesimus75 (09/27/13 12:55 AM)
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#449704 - 10/09/13 07:56 PM Re: “Rape the gay away” [Re: GeorgeMartin]
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Originally Posted By: GeorgeMartin
I am not advocating or suggesting by any stretch of the imagination that someone harass, maim, harm or kill anyone else for any reason whatsoever. Not even offenders of sexual abuse.


Why not? I'm all for it! I know these guys...they were fkt-over by pedos etc...turns out, their lives ended up a fkg mess.

Some day I'll write-out methods I would see employed to dispatch the diseased ones with extreme prejudice.

The offender in this article one twisted little fk though. There he is, committing rape for a paycheck and then walks away free. Not in my book he wouldn't.
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