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#445750 - 08/28/13 05:05 PM !
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#445805 - 08/28/13 11:52 PM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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Heh, well he's forgetting that the vast majority of sex abusers who abuse boys are straight identified men who have psychosexual issues. Take my father, for instance.

Me on the other hand, I'm gay, and kinky too, but my sexual expression is with men, and it's consensual, and it's safe, and it's sane. That's the process I'm working with.

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#445883 - 08/29/13 04:32 PM ! [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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#445888 - 08/29/13 05:33 PM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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... original post removed. Read the article.

.... "ex-gay" therapy? I thought it had fallen out of favor with the conservatives. I have never a fan or listener to Reagan but I did not know he had been abused. I have nothing concrete to base this on, other than my own inferencing from his words but I venture to suggest he still has a great fear that he may in fact be gay. Actually, at some point in his life he has been terrified he might be considered gay.


Edited by ThisMan (08/29/13 05:50 PM)
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#445891 - 08/29/13 07:12 PM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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Michael Reagan was molested and used in child-porn, then blackmailed with the porn so the molesting could continue. He is on the record as having been very sexually confused / SSA'ed afterwards, compulsively screwing prostitutes to try to prove to himself he was really heterosexual - to the point where he had to steal the money to pay them.

Given that homosexuality was a crime in his day and there were no advocates of any stripe, his self-loathing and denial must have been extreme. I'm not at all surprised he believes in ex-gay therapy - at some point(s) in his life it was (is) his dream come true. The wording should be changed. Lots of guys here are in therapy over their SSA; it isn't "ex-gay" because they're not gay. Forcing gay kids into "ex-gay" therapy can kill them. Helping confused victims rediscover their true sexuality can save their lives.
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#445911 - 08/29/13 10:54 PM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: SoccerStar]
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I find Reagan's history heart breaking, just as I find all stories of pain and suffering caused by CSA heartbreaking. Thanks for the info on the background story. It adds greatly to my understanding of his view as I sort out his message.

And I can't disagree with your synopsis of the "ex-gay" therapy. Helping some, destroying others. But I have read of so many individuals who went through similar therapies only to emerge a further defeated person denying the very basic core of their being. Simply put, it scares me.

It scares me because as my therapy continues (which isn't "ex-gay" therapy) a central theme keeps continually emerging... and it is centering on ssa and gay. I just don't think I have to the emotional well-being to deal with it. It's confusing. Maybe one day someone will dialogue with me on this, but back to Reagan....

I also understand Gary's point of view. Okay. Enough said on my part and I appreciate the chance to read and learn tonight.
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#445915 - 08/29/13 11:38 PM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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To be very clear: when people say "ex-gay therapy" they typically refer to ultra-religious parents imprisoning their gay kids in boot camps to be abused, shamed, emotionally sterilized, and pointed down the path of s**c*d*. There is no science behind it and it has been rejected by the APA and banned in many states. It's not far removed from parents who withhold medical care from sick kids and instead use faith healers and speaking in tongues as they watch them die. It is a form of abuse.

Someone of their own accord asking a professional "why do I think of sex with men so much, if part of me hates it and feels wrong and guilty?" and "I feel like the perp changed me," to outline and talk it out and try to emphasize the sexuality that feels more natural, especially if it is a sexuality they remembered being different before abuse, is using different tools in a different setting and can expect different outcomes.

I have long since accepted my bisexual desires as part of myself. I enjoy them - greatly - and wish I could have accepted myself in college in time to have had some real fun. It is impossible to know whether the perp made me this way, so I choose to believe he did not. The fact that I'm not just "cock-curious," not just focused on sex acts, but could also see myself being romantically involved and intimately emotionally bonded with a man in the same degree as women, helps with that determination.
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#445918 - 08/29/13 11:45 PM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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Ex gay therapy is for responsible self aware adults only. Ands Its not only for the religious, nor do only religious peeople have reason to believe that their own homosexuality is dysfunctional. Banning it broadly is an abuse of state control imho.

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#445961 - 08/30/13 12:17 PM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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Personally, I love the cracks in me, the uniqueness. I would never use force to try to fit myself or someone else inside a box, unless it were a hot kinky scene. I'm not about to try to change what I have spent years learning to love in me. Like the Japanese pottery broken and remade with seams of gold, I have learned to integrate all of who I am.

I am beautiful.

I am gay.

I am kinky.

And I don't sexually abuse anyone.

I play with men, and I model consent, communication, and safety.

What a wonderful being I am!

We all are.

Bless each of you on your journey as you realize your own true nature, whatever that is for you!

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#445962 - 08/30/13 12:19 PM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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I am amazing.
A creature of light.
An innocent little boy lives inside me.
He laughs and smiles and plays.
Deep power and truth.
I know it now.

Pain long held encrusted
in the cells of my sacrum and spine
is emerging, now that I am ready to feel it
to free it, to feel it, to release it

Knowing the deeper truth of my innocence,
the wondrous creativity and adaptability of being human
that allowed me to survive
the wisdom of a little boy
in a terrible situation
holding it all in
until that day
when I could finally see it, understand it, feel it, and let it all go.

I treasure this little boy.
I hear his cries.
I know we are finding a way thru the darkness,
lit by flickering heart fires
my child, my sage
we walk together now
once again
merrily on the way
to a happier place.

All the violence
all the suffering
happens when we lose contact
with the child within us.
We feel ashamed, afraid.
We judge ourselves wrong, bad, or evil.
All the violence
all the suffering
come from that place.
It is only one step away from throwing stones.

But a new day has come.
Today, I recognize the divinity and innocence of my child within
I become harmless and joyful.
Rolling around in sand,
it is not far,
soon I may be giggling the names of God.

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#445984 - 08/30/13 05:53 PM ! [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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#446020 - 08/30/13 10:53 PM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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#446029 - 08/31/13 01:57 AM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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In some of my ceremonial work I have seen the rainbows coming off of me, in my breath, from my fingertips, in my heart. I believe there is a queer spirit. The Creator has made all of us with a purpose.

With over 7 billion of us here now, it makes sense that there would be some people who don't procreate. To work with a balance of the genders, to heal, to bridge worlds, to change masculinity and femininity, to balance heaven and Earth. Of course the Creator would create us. We have a reason to be here.

One of the reasons we can be marginalized and abused is because our stories have been suppressed. We are called sick because our stories are untold. There is ignorance, fear, and hatred. This is why we have to tell our stories, write our own history.

Queer people have existed throughout history. Only we haven't had an unbroken story, because our story is tied to the rise and fall of different cultures. Some celebrate us. Others despise us. Often those that despise us fall into disarray. We bring balance. It has always been that way. Now we can claim our place on this Earth.

I believe that ex-gay therapy is a form of sexual abuse. It is often applied forcibly to children, which causes damage. It is based on an idea that gay is out of balance. When in fact unbridled breeding and hegemonic dominator masculinity is what is out of balance. The idea that we own the Earth, or that men should 'be in control', for instance, which is often acted out in straight relationships. Out of balance.

The Creator gave all men and women both sets of sex hormones (estrogen & testosterone) for a reason. As LGBTQ people, we can work with both energies more fluidly. Thus we carry gifts for the world.

Ex-gay therapy does not help abuse survivors, because it starts with the end goal of reducing gender variance and 'controlling' impulses. Force & control do not reach the level of healing, which is based on love, acceptance and deeper understanding.

I believe a more sane approach to dealing with sexual confusion is to explore ourselves with love and compassion, to look deeply into our shame and isolation, to reach out for support and community, and to understand our potential for violence (as all human beings we have that).

What works for me is to approach my sexuality as a landscape to explore and understand, watching out for unsafe places which put me or others in harms way, while accepting all of who I am.

This approach has led me to the place I am now, where I am so very content and happy with who I am. I don't have to fight myself anymore. What a relief!

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#446054 - 08/31/13 02:32 PM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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I have a range of thoughts about ex-gay therapy. I am absolutely opposed to it if the premise is that homosexuality is somehow a defective state and therefore one needs to be treated for it, and that is what it appears to be the purpose for ex-gay therapy. Being gay should not be thought of in anyway as being inferior. I am a religious guy, and I'm not afraid to admit it. And I know that we are all created by God - gay, straight and everything in between. Because of that we all have dignity, and beauty and that needs to be respected for all of us. To demean someone on the basis of sexual orientation is one of the most unreligious acts out there.

I wish to see more of an understanding of the basis for our sexual orientation, both gay, straight and everything in between. At times, I wonder if in fact there is a degree of choice. I hope I'm not ridiculed for that, but I wonder if exposure to something horrible does create some sort of dissension that is resolved by choosing same sex relationships. Generally, and really, almost entirely, I believe it's not a matter of choice. How that is, I'm not sure. To the best of my knowledge, there have never been any gay-genes identified, but there are documented physiological differences between straight and gay individuals, most commonly in the brain
Even though gay genes don't exist ( or haven't been ID'ed) that doesn't rule out physiological causes, because it's a well known fact that a host of factors can influence gene expression. It would be most excellent to find out if or how abuse affects orientation. That would further offer a better understanding of SSA and whether it is a true condition or merely a (well-intented) coverup.
I hope no one ever is subjected to ex gay therapy with the hopes of changing him/her into something he/she is not. Also, I hope no one is misidentified either. The best solution is to have someone's true identity known
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#446071 - 08/31/13 06:00 PM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: Chase Eric]
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#446072 - 08/31/13 06:24 PM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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I think there is legitimate concern about what is motivating anyone to 'help' another person work out the sexual leanings. And what qualifies such a person to do so effectively is certainly open to debate.

I can't speak to 'ex-gay therapy'. But I can speak to the ex-gay movement from direct experience. Sometimes these two things are incorrectly lumped together. We can sit here and pretend that there wasn't ever a legitimate clientele for the ex-gay market and that all the 'experts' in the field were exploitative, profit seeking bigots, but in my experience this is not the case.
I for one, had very positive experiences (and never felt pressured or shamed) in ex-gay support groups, retreats, and informal one on one counseling. It was always clear that these people believed that a 100% change in sexual sensitivity is very very unlikely. But there were plenty of people who were satisfied with the changes they experienced. My experiences were centering in NYC where the demographic was very broad, and the 'religiosity' was probably significantly lower than the norm.

I was not doing it because the bible or pastor told me so. I was doing it because I wanted the OPTION of a married life that wouldn't compromise my wife's security and happiness. I wanted to know how other ssa men handled being married. I wanted to be informed. And I was satisfied with what I learned. Didn't do a thing for me behaviorally in the moment. But now that I AM married, I'm glad to have that experience in my pocket.

The topics discussed in the ex-gay movement are legitimate.

Every movement is full of quacks, and idiots, so you'll never see me arguing that 'no one got hurt' by association.

I often feel that that the people discussing this topic most vocally, are not the people who have direct experience, nor are the people who would pursue this kind of fellowship or research. But its understandable why it causes distress. Its the kind of thing that anti gay people have said, "they are coming after our children.", only on the other side of the fence.

Practitioners, I understand, are still legally allowed to help a person avoid those sexual behaviors which are in conflict with their FAITH, whatever those may be. All in the interest of removing unnecessary stress.

I love and adore my 'queer' friends. I am queer. I'm not in a funk about it.

I just like to be informed. I think its unfortunate that men who really want to research their sexual confusion, through fellowship, now have one more obstacle to overcome in order to do so.

Anyone who knows me knows, there is practically nothing I won't do to understand my nature, so I am a big defender of options and advocate of experimentation.



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#446074 - 08/31/13 06:50 PM ! [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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#446079 - 08/31/13 07:16 PM ! [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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#446098 - 08/31/13 11:33 PM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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I'm not 100% convinced I believe in such a thing as lifelong exclusive devoted sexual orientation. As a bisexual that's probably easy for me to say! But seriously... if you look back through antiquity, through cultures of Rome and Greece, Japan, Arabia, Polynesia, New Guinea, you can see many cases where it was tolerated, understood, expected, for people to have both same-sex and opposite-sex encounters throughout their lives. In some cultures of New Guinea, homosexuality was mandatory, as they believed women were hosts of such dangerous, wicked, unclean evil spirits within them that the only men who would be powerful enough to impregnate them without becoming irrecoverably polluted in the process would be those who had already spent years absorbing semen from older, stronger men.

Everyone reading this board is the product of a modernized, Westernized 20th-century society, in which the very concepts and words "heterosexual" and "homosexual" are less than 200 years old. Well into the past century people believed that sexuality was something you DID, not something you WERE; I'm led to believe that the attitude towards experimentation was actually more liberal circa the 1920s-30s than it is now, when it has become more mainstreamed to file people in one sexual category or another for life, subject to something analogous to the old "one drop rule" in the antebellum South.


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#446111 - 09/01/13 04:10 AM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: SoccerStar]
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I'm not 100% convinced I believe in such a thing as lifelong exclusive devoted sexual orientation. As a bisexual that's probably easy for me to say! But seriously... if you look back through antiquity, through cultures of Rome and Greece, Japan, Arabia, Polynesia, New Guinea, you can see many cases where it was tolerated, understood, expected, for people to have both same-sex and opposite-sex encounters throughout their lives. In some cultures of New Guinea, homosexuality was mandatory, as they believed women were hosts of such dangerous, wicked, unclean evil spirits within them that the only men who would be powerful enough to impregnate them without becoming irrecoverably polluted in the process would be those who had already spent years absorbing semen from older, stronger men.

Everyone reading this board is the product of a modernized, Westernized 20th-century society, in which the very concepts and words "heterosexual" and "homosexual" are less than 200 years old. Well into the past century people believed that sexuality was something you DID, not something you WERE; I'm led to believe that the attitude towards experimentation was actually more liberal circa the 1920s-30s than it is now, when it has become more mainstreamed to file people in one sexual category or another for life, subject to something analogous to the old "one drop rule" in the antebellum South.


Matt


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#446222 - 09/02/13 11:06 AM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: GoldStone]
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#446230 - 09/02/13 02:32 PM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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I wouldn't worry about the thread being closed at this time.

Let's turn past the question of the biological accuracy of lifelong devoted sexual orientation - because even if it isn't biologically accurate, it is an emotionally true element of one's identity. We are now talking about the intersections of sexuality, identity, and cultural norms.

And with that in mind - Goldstone, it is noteworthy that you describe the "ex-gay movement" as "helping SSA'ed men stay in their marriages." If the preferred term is "SSA" then their primary orientation can't be gay, or else they'd just say they were gay. There is an entire subculture of MSM (men who have sex with men) for reasons that are at odds with their primary sexual orientation - whether they are deprived of female contact, or in need of certain sex acts the women in their lives won't do well or at all, or are exploring a kink that simply can't be expressed with women at all. Dan Savage is a pretty eminent authority on sex and he has said that on his experience, the entire clientele of transgender escorts ("chicks with dicks") are straight or straight-identified men.

None of the above refers to gay people or was covered by "ex-gay therapy" or its "movements" - terms with specific meanings. It was right and overdue for states to start banning that cult of abuse. Nothing ever labeled "ex-gay" ever improved the sexual satisfaction or emotional health of anybody - ever. It's as big a scam as psychic auras, except this time your children die.


People should feel free and comfortable discussing sexual orientation and identity issues, and their own notions of why people (especially men) behave as they do, here or in the dedicated Sexual Identity forum. But an attempt to attribute any virtue to anything with the words "ex-gay" in the title will be self-defeating as the motives, methods, and results involved are prima-facie not credible.



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#446453 - 09/05/13 03:09 AM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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If you mean that we are all god's creation, we were created by stardust, then yes he/she/it/supernova did in fact create us of all. This we absolutely irrefutably know, stars had to die for us all to live. We all share the minerals of planets, the DNA of plants and mostly our closest cousins, the great apes.

Were we created with a purpose or plan in mind? Not a chance.
It's for us to chose our our paths, nothing is predetermined and any near misses for death are just that, near misses. How lucky for those who were not sexually abused to be one of the near misses. Yet we are still here. How lucky are we?

Mr reagan, confuses criminality with sexuality, how sad. The gay community is more accepting only in so much in that they have also have had to suppress what they knew themselves to be, until finally they could see they had to break free of preconceived expectations by family, church and society.

So for the rest of us, its about seeking to understand that we are all on a quest to not confuse love with sex. Nothing more. There is NO supernatural!

Luminosity, trancendence and a sense of our self or soul has absolutely nothing to do with organized spiritualism. Its our need to feel accepted and acknowledged. If you are a person of faith, its your willingness to believe anything for the sake of anything but evidence. Anyone is entitle to believe as they will, but once I have to hear about it or they make statements encompassing my experience then they have overstepped the bounds.

"there is no god but god" the prayer of islam is correct at least for the first 4 words. Everyone is an atheist about certain religions and they are well on their way but some of us just take it one god more.

Yet science is not superior in many respects, when you learn that 1/2 of what medical students learn b4 they leave medical school will be proven untrue, you just don't know which 1/2. They only difference is the truth will change as more truths are discovered. It evolves as we do. The only difference is new truths are embraced as the best we have to offer not reproved by preconceived notions.

So ex gay? it may hold a true for some, but for so so so many more, it will only be a source of pain and shame.

We know that a person's sexual orientation is what it is. What they do or who they have sex with is really irrelevant. One can only be truly happy though when desires, actions, expressions of the true self all come together. Otherwise there is a cognitive disconnect. This is what happens when Putin says the new anti gay law is in no way discrimanatory or when the southern blow hard says (concurred with by the last pope) that gays were the hittler inner circle killers, robertson says gays have special AIDS rings and when anyone of blind faith says love the sinner but hate the sin. You have to take it with a grain of salt and realize that people will delude themselves in spite of themselves.

Sadly survivors are more aware of that fact than most. Bi says your truth is that you are truly attracted to is both. That is for no one to deny. But if ones true desire is to be with a man and due to circumstance, self or societal pressures that is repressed, well then no one wins.

So let Ex gays say as they will, its up to the rest of us to hold their feet to the fire and point out the hypocricy. Ultimately we can't care what a person believes, its what they DO! When we champion ourselves, we champion those we love, those that love us and those that need to be championed over we win.

Diversity is great but not at the cost of rationality, humanity and compassion.

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#446543 - 09/06/13 02:49 AM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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i think we are all seeing pretty much eye to eye here. it was weird to be sitting in a circle of men, some of whom, i was like, 'that ain't gonna happen for you man!'.

I just know I changed orientations spontaneously over the course of my life more than once, not therapy related. So its not a big deal for me. I don't feel i have to identify or defend myself. I'm an anomaly. I agree with the sentiments here. False advertising is a big deal and should be mediated.


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#446545 - 09/06/13 02:56 AM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: SoccerStar]
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Originally Posted By: SoccerStar
There is an entire subculture of MSM (men who have sex with men) for reasons that are at odds with their primary sexual orientation - whether they are deprived of female contact, or in need of certain sex acts the women in their lives won't do well or at all, or are exploring a kink that simply can't be expressed with women at all.

Matt


After a decade in the gay urban underground in the US and abroad, and doing sex work, I can confirm this. The numbers are much larger than people realize. I would say higher than 50% of sexually active males who have sex with men are straight identified. If you count asia africa and the middle east that number is MUCH higher... so that 'gays' are actually the subculture of MSM, not the other way around. Which makes me question the whole notion of "primary sexual orientation" which some people assume applies to everyone merely because it applies to themselves and those they associate with.



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#446610 - 09/07/13 02:27 AM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: DavoSwim]
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All of us are onions
God is peeling us
Layer by layer
To reveal
The only true condition
Is Love

Love is an onion
We come in many flavours
Sweet, bitter, sour,
Man on man on woman on woman
Cock sucking tied up with thorns and crosses
Soft fingers caressing tired feet

Everything we know
Even the atrocities
Moments of forgetfulness
Lifetimes of pain
Even these
Are just the peeling

Ages pass
Still we are the same inside
Pure Love
Shedding our rainbow colors
On the waiting Earth.

In our dignified center,
Nothing was ever lost.



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#448351 - 09/26/13 08:51 PM Re: Michael Reagan: Child abuse makes people gay [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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Originally Posted By: Smalltown80sBoy
How does one get kicked out of the heterosexual community, anyway? Is there a notice of excommunication? Or maybe it's an eviction notice? "You have 30 days to leave the heterosexual community or we will initiate eviction proceedings."

In tightly knit religious communities intimidation is the instrument of choice but there have been cases of people being accosted by unnamed fanatics. When intimidation is used on the family and even their relatives it hurts the chances of children and their siblings getting married to others within the community. It hurts the chances of children and their siblings being let into community schools. It even follows them in death with not being able to be buried in community owned cemeteries. The gay child or adult is deemed to have a severe medical condition or is just excluded from the community like he/she doesn't exist. The child can go to school anyplace he/she want but not in a community run school. The person is not only shunned by the community that person just doesn't exist anymore.

As for "notice of excommunication" there can be leaflets thrown around on the streets of the community by persons unknown as people should not have any contact with the person or family in question.

There are any number of other ways to get rid of unwanted people from a religious community. Kids can be sent to unlicensed so called "therapists" who have been known to even end up molesting the child. When the so called "therapist" is caught, indicted and finally sent to jail for 30-100 years the real trouble begins. Because of that so called "therapist" being incarcerated the family is finally forced by the community to move to another state simply forcing them into financial poverty via terrorism.

These are just some of the weapons used in tightly knit religious communities to control what they want and who they want. But the core of any weapon used is hate.
Their Motto: mad "HATE THE GAY AWAY" mad.

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