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#440259 - 07/07/13 01:22 AM Kiddie porn soon to vanish from www
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#440279 - 07/07/13 12:51 PM Re: Kiddie porn soon to vanish from www [Re: WalkingSouth]
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Thanks for posting this. These things are way too easy to access on the internet, and triggering for me as a survivor of childhood pornography.

I hate to sound pessimistic, but they will find away. These internet companies may whitewash the web a bit for casual internet surfers, but the worms will find a way to wriggle around whatever they set up. Anytime you have a vice that makes money or perpetuates other people's sicknesses/addictions, someone will find a way.

This just seems like closing a crack house, without addressing why people are losing themselves to crack in the first place.

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#440298 - 07/07/13 04:34 PM Re: Kiddie porn soon to vanish from www [Re: WalkingSouth]
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This is like Walmart saying they are cracking down on prostitutes working in their parking lots. It's a well-meant gesture focusing on areas very very far from the nexus of the problem. Let's see somebody police IRC, "dark net," and half the servers in the former USSR.
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#440397 - 07/08/13 05:16 PM ! [Re: WalkingSouth]
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#440398 - 07/08/13 05:17 PM ! [Re: toddop]
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#440410 - 07/08/13 06:51 PM Re: Kiddie porn soon to vanish from www [Re: WalkingSouth]
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There has been discussion on this across the BBC news website for a while now.

The idea is this- if search engines such as Google can prevent child abuse images appearing then the thought is that, I believe the term they use is "latent paedophiles" may not develop into full abusers. This initiative has been publicised a lot here partly due to the case of a girl (April Jones) who was abducted and killed in mid-Wales not long ago after the predator used the internet to fantasise about the act, and to research it.

This initiative is all good- perhaps some people who are latent paedophiles, who no longer have access to images, may not end up following that route? I can see merit in that. What people view does change them I think, and they become "sicker" the more they fantasise about things like that, and fantasy sometimes evolves into act.

And yes stopping the images helps to give peace of mind to survivors- "every time a person views an image of a child being abused, they are abusing that child all over again- it is a serious crime". A man on the news the other day said that very well.

Some latent paedophiles, especially the generation that have access to images now and are about to "lose" that access, may go out to find something to replace it, that is a scary thought. But that can't be a reason not to go ahead with stopping abuse images appearing online. I expect many of these guys/girls are hoarders of images, so maybe my fear there is not warranted, as they wont lose access to images they have so may not immediately turn predator.

That is another limit to this initiative- it doesn't tackle the fact that these guys hoard images. If it comes to it- these guys/girls will hoard images, and will stop using the internet to share them. They will instead do what they used to do before the internet- meet up and give each other discs/tapes. If they do meet-up more due to this then that could create more underground abuse. But I guess it does make it more difficult to distribute them to as many people at one time- which is a really good thing.

The BBC pages then talk about the big issue- the darknet, tor. Now, on this BBC article they talk about their powerlessness in tackling the darknet which is the true place of paedophiles- but the article was written in such a way that I believe experts have already cracked this. I believe that the darknet is now a catching net for paedophiles. All of those who look at images of abuse and want to continue to do so will go to the darknet once they are not easily accessible on the open-net, and then they will all be caught in that net. I see this happening as an operation within the next few years. That's my prediction. Our scientists are more clever than we give them credit.

Gary, by "worst" I believe they are talking about a scale on which they rank the severity of child abuse images when it goes to court- eg. a photo of a naked boy isn't as severe as a photo of a boy being interfered with.

I had photos and video taken of me and I have been paranoid about it. But have since convinced myself that my abusers probably didn't have the know-how to distribute them. I still worry about it though, it was for a while one of my hardest parts of recovery.
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#440508 - 07/09/13 07:53 PM Re: Kiddie porn soon to vanish from www [Re: king tut]
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Thanks, King Tut, for bringing the enthusiasm and a more positive outlook about this initiative. But, I feel like I will have to see more outcomes with this before I shake my skepticism. To me, it seems more of a myth. The same things as seeing a headline that says, "No more child abusers in 2 years!"

I mean when I was involved in the pornography ring, it was in the 70's and they had their shit down. They took photos and videos. I know that stuff is still out there, and it makes me feel so powerless to do anything about it. But, what can I do? I just think there are enough institutional and worldwide networks of this stuff, that they have some tech geniuses of their own that will keep finding ways to disseminate and share. But, I hope I am wrong, for sure.

Originally Posted By: Smalltown80sBoy
Originally Posted By: toddop
These things are way too easy to access on the internet, and triggering for me as a survivor of childhood pornography.


I'm sorry. If any of the abuse I experienced was filmed or photographed and circulated online, I would go nuts. That has to be difficult to deal with.


Thanks, Gary. It is maddening at times and a major issue. Completely and certifiably nuts here. crazy


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