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#439496 - 06/29/13 03:58 AM 1984 versus 1776
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it's a brave new world out there.

"The likelihood that your acts of resistance cannot stop the injustice does not exempt you from acting in what you sincerely and reflectively hold to be the best interests of your community.
- Susan Sontag -



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yB3n9fu-rM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2013/jun/09/nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-interview-video

US Congressman Ron Paul speaks out about Snowden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K89ClXEveeo

US Ambassador John Bolton speaks out about Snowden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLXWrXPtAT0

US Tycoon Donald Trump speaks out about Snowden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4DjrBC4K-Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1p2-d4vDg8

US Professor Noam Chomsky speaks out about Snowden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm-Ukips9Wk

US Pundit Glenn Beck speaks out about Snowden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IIcjnAQVp0

US Vice President Dick Cheney speaks out about Snowden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHavnUsndxU

CIA Officer Ray McGovern speaks out about Snowden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvrwJZ9hpXs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-HXkFAbRZY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_McGovern

http://blogs.theprovince.com/2013/06/26/kris-kotarski-get-used-to-it-big-brother-is-watching-you/

"Heres the National Security Agency spying scandal in three sentences:

Agent: Do you want me to tell your wife how often you look at porn on your laptop?

Me: No.

Agent: Now were getting somewhere.

Thats a scenario that every Internet user in the world now has to contend with, thanks to the U.S. government, the British government and most major Internet companies in the world, from Facebook to Microsoft to Google to Apple.

Thanks to a string of reports by Guardian journalists working with NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, we know with some certainty that Internet users worldwide have been spied on en masse by the U.S. and the U.K.

Other governments and companies may be in on it too, but its difficult to know for certain since every one of the schemes to vacuum up all of our emails, web histories and phone calls is secret because of national security! And threats! And terrorism! So lets return to our scenario.

Of course, it does not have to be porn. Maybe its a cant-miss business idea, an affair, an illness, or a nasty email typed up in the heat of the moment and deleted afterwards.

American and British operatives seem to have access to all of this, and the rulings used to justify such surveillance have made a mockery of any official claims of carefully targeted surveillance or proportionality.

But maybe its not a wife. Maybe its a son or a daughter, a business partner, an employee, a boss, or a journalist.

Really, it could be anyone, because, lets face it, once someone has access to all the phone calls and emails and online messages that we send to each other in private, its not hard to blackmail any one of us.

Who is the agent in our scenario? As best as we can tell, a lot of people have access to our private information.

Operatives from the NSA, Britains Government Communications Headquarters and outside contractors certainly do, and they may have shared our details with others.

Or, such details could have been stolen or leaked. Who knows? Maybe they already have, but its impossible to know since every scheme to vacuum up all of our communications is secret, making all abuses and mistakes secret as well.

Or, maybe its no one at all.

Since the infrastructure is in place, the vague threat hangs over each of us, but its unreasonable to expect that we will all face this scenario.

So, where does that leave us?

Writer Cory Doctorow recently pointed out that our government and corporate leaders are trying to build a new culture and a legal infrastructure where privacy is totally essential for the powerful and completely worthless for the rest of us.

Gag orders, secret courts and prosecutions of whistleblowers are ramping up, while the basic right to private communications is being wiped out through secret programs and secret court rulings, always with cross-border consequences.

Governments in the English-speaking world both left and right are trying to share less and less with their citizens, while pulling out some variation of Terrorism! and if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear to justify increasing surveillance for the rest of us.

Though transparency is now a politicians buzzword on par with democracy and fairness, true transparency is very rare in practice, and usually limited to local politics.

Corporations especially large multinational firms are trying to find out as much about their customers as possible while controlling the message through private surveillance of employees, confidentiality agreements and by curtailing any investigations into their activities by civil society groups or journalists.

And in this new normal, the political battle lines that we are used to left against right, conservatives against liberals seem like window dressing for what is beginning to look like the defining political division of our age.

It looks like big against small. Elites against everyone else.

With the latest revelations about the spying and lying, some are beginning to realize that the emperor has no clothes.

The problem is, our democratic governments and online corporations are making sure that the rest of us are naked, too.
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Kris Kotarski


Privacy vs. Secrecy
New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/opinion/sunday/secrecy-a-sanctuary-in-a-transparent-world.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/27/opinion/an-inner-life-the-secrecy-chronicles.html
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#439926 - 07/03/13 03:47 PM Re: 1984 versus 1776 [Re: victor-victim]
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Live Video Broadcast The Answer to 1984 is 1776

LIve Radio Broadcast The Answer to 1984 is 1776


Documentaries:

FALL OF THE REPUBLIC

POLICE STATE

ENDGAME

INVISIBLE EMPIRE

TERRORSTORM

"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiyiJzpa4Fk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWiIYW_fBfY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uAQsMWsyQc
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#439927 - 07/03/13 03:55 PM Re: 1984 versus 1776 [Re: victor-victim]
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"If you've never heard of Alex Jones, then you've been missing out on one of the most dynamic, hard-hitting talk radio hosts on the planet.

Alex Jones is an award-winning documentary filmmaker and political researcher. His news websites, infowars.com and prisonplanet.com, are at the forefront of the exploding alternative media.

Featured on "Good Morning America," "20/20 Downtown," "60 Minutes," The Discovery Channel, A&E, Court TV, and more, Jones appears on multiple stations across the country and has been called "an absolutely riveting television presence" by Patrick Beech of the "Austin American-Statesman." Mike Kelley, also of the "Austin American-Statesman," said of Jones, "On television, he exudes so much energy that a viewer might almost expect bits of flesh to start flying from the screen."

For decades Americans have been aware that the government withholds pertinent information that affects their lives. While the rigors of the average workday leave Americans defenseless against government cover-ups, mass media red herrings, and corporate scandals, Alex Jones sorts through the corruption with eager devotion. He uncovers clear and decisive information that must be heard. Jones' voice spreads like wildfire, developing legions of loyal listeners and readers.

While millions of people listen to his radio broadcasts and watch his films, this is Jones' first book. It's time to stand up against tyranny; it's time to give the power to the people. This is an information war, and Alex Jones intends to win.
"

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2348223.Alex_Jones

www.infowars.com


A democracy which makes or even effectively prepares for modern, scientific war must necessarily cease to be democratic. No country can be really well prepared for modern war unless it is governed by a tyrant, at the head of a highly trained and perfectly obedient bureaucracy.
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#439930 - 07/03/13 04:20 PM Re: 1984 versus 1776 [Re: victor-victim]
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Before Alex Jones...
There was William Cooper

Bill Cooper predicts 9-11 on June 28, 2001

Bill Cooper killed by Police on Nov 5, 2001




William Cooper Archives

http://archive.org/details/MysteryBabylonSeries-WilliamCoopertranscriptIncl

Book Written by William Cooper
BEHOLD A PALE HORSE

Milton William Cooper (May 6, 1943 - November 5, 2001) was an American writer, shortwave broadcaster. Cooper came to public awareness in the late 1980s.

The son of a U.S. Air Force officer, Cooper graduated in 1961 from Yamato High School in Japan, and enlisted in the U.S. Air force. He was honorably discharged in 1965, and enlisted in the U.S. Navy in December of that year. He served in Vietnam, rising to the rank of petty officer. Cooper was awarded the Navy Commendation Medal with combat V and the Navy Achievement Medal with combat V. He was honorably discharged in 1974.
He hosted a short-wave radio programme called The Hour of the Time (WBCQ worldwide short-wave 7.415 MHz (0300 to 0400 UTC) Monday through Thursday nights)
A Clinton White House memo labelled him "the most dangerous radio host in America".


http://ephraiyim.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/william_cooper-behold_a_pale_horse1991_copy.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX5CGcEnRgA

BEHOLD A PALE HORSE

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#439933 - 07/03/13 04:55 PM United States Constitution [Re: victor-victim]
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We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/

Preamble to the United States Declaration of Independence

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness
."

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration.html
http://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/ourdocs/DeclarInd.html

The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law.
- Aristotle

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#439935 - 07/03/13 05:09 PM 1st Amendment Right [Re: victor-victim]
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#439980 - 07/03/13 11:03 PM Re: 1st Amendment Right [Re: victor-victim]
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Victor, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but I don't think this is an appropriate forum for political discussion.

All of us know from personal experience that political discussions always create division. ALWAYS.

We're here to heal and support each other. That, I believe, is the primary directive here.

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#440150 - 07/05/13 06:09 PM Re: 1984 versus 1776 [Re: victor-victim]
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#440152 - 07/05/13 06:23 PM agenda 21 [Re: victor-victim]
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#440156 - 07/05/13 06:39 PM Re: 1984 versus 1776 [Re: victor-victim]
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#440163 - 07/05/13 08:08 PM Re: 1984 versus 1776 [Re: victor-victim]
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I strongly second Dillon's request to cease political discussion on this site.
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#440182 - 07/06/13 12:36 AM Re: 1984 versus 1776 [Re: victor-victim]
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I also agree this is not the place for politics.



Edited by catfish86 (07/06/13 12:40 AM)
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#440193 - 07/06/13 03:37 AM Re: 1984 versus 1776 [Re: victor-victim]
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"Off Topic



General discussion not related to recovery issues."
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#440202 - 07/06/13 08:28 AM Re: 1984 versus 1776 [Re: victor-victim]
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Whether or not you realize it, those links accuse some of the other users here of being part of international criminal conspiracies. And their sources accuse MANY of the users here of being criminal conspirators, unnatural evil freaks, genetically inferior, or all of the above.
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#440875 - 07/14/13 04:14 PM Re: 1984 versus 1776 [Re: victor-victim]
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#440876 - 07/14/13 04:30 PM Re: 1984 versus 1776 [Re: victor-victim]
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#441458 - 07/20/13 08:45 AM Re: 1984 versus 1776 [Re: victor-victim]
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#442302 - 07/27/13 01:38 AM Re: 1984 versus 1776 [Re: victor-victim]
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#443292 - 08/04/13 09:42 PM posse comitatus [Re: victor-victim]
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this is all very interesting.

http://beforeitsnews.com/libertarian/2013/03/posse-comitatus-repealed-2490134.html
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27989275/
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/what-posse-comitatus
http://www.movermike.com/2008/12/01/posse-comitatusthat-didnt-take-long/
http://presscore.ca/2012/obama-illegally...le-offense.html

Posse Comitatus Act Section 15 of chapter 263 of the 2nd session of the 45th Congress. Sec. 15.
From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress ; and no money appropriated by this act shall be used to pay any of the expenses incurred in the employment of any troops in violation of this section and any person willfully violating the provisions of this section shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction thereof shall be punished by fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars or imprisonment not exceeding two years or by both such fine and imprisonment.
Posse Comitatus Act (18 U.S.C.1385)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1385
http://lawreview.wustl.edu/inprint/75-2/752-10.html
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/waronterror/a/posse_act.htm
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Posse+comitatus
http://www.movermike.com/2007/10/08/posse-comitatus/

The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C.331-335)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/subtitle-A/part-I/chapter-15

Public Law 109-364, or the John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007″ (H.R.5122)
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/hr5122/text
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2006/10/20061017-9.html
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#443305 - 08/04/13 11:03 PM Re: posse comitatus [Re: victor-victim]
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Originally Posted By: Victor

And some other great newsworthy items lifted (copy/paste) directly from that source:

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Obama tried to kill millions of Americans after they dared to challenge him just 3 months after his inauguration. Remember that when you hear stories of another bird flu or influenza pandemic starting because Obama is planning on releasing another biological weapon - the H5N1 virus...


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The greatest deception of modern times - Britain and the US didn't liberate the Jews from persecution and the Nazi concentration camps at the end of WWII. Britain and the US just moved the survivors to another Jewish concentration camp they created in 1948 called Israel.


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Obama's Social Security Number was entered into the "Self Check" section of the DHS E-Verify website and was flagged by E-Verify as likely being fraudulent.

Arizona Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has since convened a posse to investigate allegations that Obama is using a fraudulent social security number and forged birth certificate.


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Both Michelle Obama and Barack Obama are barred from practicing law. The Supreme Court of Illinois stated that Michelle and Obama were declared illegible to practice law. ARDC http://www.iardc.org/ldetail.asp?id=791875904 ATTORNEY'S REGISTRATION AND PUBLIC DISCIPLINARY RECORD confirms that Barack Obama's Illinois Registration Status as : "Voluntarily retired and not authorized to practice law". It also states under Malpractice Insurance: "attorney reported that he/she does not have malpractice coverage." Obama wasn't able to be insured (bondable) because of prior criminal activity.


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Al Qaeda does not and has never existed. al Qaeda is a fictional enemy - a phantom. The name is simply code name (cryptonym) for CIA terrorist operations against the United States and the World. The Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) both work as spies for the Vatican a.k.a. First, Second, Third and Fourth Reich a.k.a. Holy Roman Empire a.k.a. New World Order. CSIS is the Canadian Intelligence Agency for the Holy See. CSIS is an anagram. C = All Seeing and/or Santa (anagram for Satan) + I = Eye and/or Sede (See) a.k.a. Holy See (Italian: Santa Sede) a.k.a Eye of Horus (Egyptian false god).

Yikes. This is not a reasoned discussion of anything, and agree with the others that political discussion has no place on these boards. The other brotherhood I was in - the US military - had rules against discussing politics or religion in mess halls, and officer & enlisted clubs. There was good reason - it frayed the brotherhood by introducing dissent and disagreement. I am not sure what purpose is being served here by introducing obviously inflammatory rhetoric from this so-called "news" source.
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#443307 - 08/04/13 11:23 PM Re: posse comitatus [Re: Chase Eric]
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I hadnt realized Posse Comitatus had been repealed.

On December 31, 2011, Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) BILL HR 1540 codifying indefinite military detention without charge or trial into law for the first time in American history.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/12/31/statement-president-hr-1540
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr1540/text

The ACLU has significant discussion of the ramifications.
frown http://www.aclu.org/national-security/talking-points-2012-national-defense-authorization-act-ndaa
frown http://www.aclu.org/indefinite-detention...thorization-act
frown http://www.aclu.org/national-security/to...e-authorization
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#443889 - 08/09/13 10:27 PM Congressional Hearing [Re: victor-victim]
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#443980 - 08/10/13 11:23 PM H.G.Wells [Re: victor-victim]
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CAUTION! SERIOUS TRIGGERS!
I DO NOT ENDORSE, NOR DO I SUPPORT, NOR DO I PROMOTE THE IDEOLOGIES REPRESENTED IN ANY OF THESE LINKS.



a long time ago, H.G.Wells
wrote 'The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution.' and 'The New World Order'.

http://www.inlex.org/stories/wells/opencons.html
http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Wells_The_Open_Conspiracy.pdf
http://archive.org/download/H.g.Wells-Th...ldOrder1940.pdf
http://archive.org/download/H.g.Wells-Th...ndANewOrder.pdf
http://archive.org/download/H.g.Wells-Th...nConspiracy.pdf

"This new and complete Revolution we contemplate can be defined in a very few words.
It is outright world-socialism; scientifically planned and directed
.

Countless people will hate the new world order and will die protesting against it.
When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents
.

The term Internationalism has been popularized in recent years to cover an interlocking financial, political, and economic world force for the purpose of establishing a World Government.

H.G.Wells was more than just a Sci-Fi writer.
he was a member of the Fabian Society and he strove for the greater part of his career
for the creation of a one world government.

He was also closely connected to brothers Julian Huxley and Aldous Huxley (author of Brave New World)
as well as Eric Blair (aka George Orwell author of 1984 and Animal Farm).
In 1930, Wells collaborated with Sir Julian Huxley (former president of the Eugenics Society)
to write 'The Science of Life'.
http://www.unz.org/Pub/WellsHG-1931
http://www.academia.edu/400346/The_Pen_as_Sword_George_Orwell_H._G._Wells_and_Journalistic_Parricide
http://www.transhumanism.org/index.php/WTA/more/huxley
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Julian_Huxley.aspx



H.G.WELLS complete works here
http://kamita.com/misc/wells/hgwells.pdf

Julian Huxley bibliography here
http://www.amazon.com/Julian-Huxley/e/B001HCZ55A

in a strange coincidence,
another infamous historical figure wrote about a creating a "new order" a long time ago.
there is nothing new about this.
CAUTION! SERIOUS TRIGGERS!
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My New Order
My New Order
My New Order
My New Order


http://www.ralph-epperson.com/#b2
1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an0vwz9NZe0
2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFlYFzwkdns
3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZUQaajnUeQ
4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCIP0L-Yt9Q
5) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TFXm3lPSNA
6) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK9JHkAt-yg
7) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpDkvsxIDI0
America's Secret Destiny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmOit3B1vKs

download the book here:
http://knizky.mahdi.cz/57_Epperson___The_New_World_Order.pdf
http://archive.org/download/TheNewWorldOrder_342/TheNewWorldOrder.pdf
http://www.911truth.ch/pdf/Epperson-the-...istory-1994.pdf

view the video:
http://archive.org/details/TheNewWorldOrder_342

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an0vwz9NZe0&list=PL19C96D4B9B3FEA9A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0KkSNydRl8

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ElQ6uj_xmu0/S6...orld-order1.jpg
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#444638 - 08/18/13 10:35 PM untold history [Re: victor-victim]
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Foreign Correspondents Club of Japan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoZsERPRqII
PART ONE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USoFSvYuG2E
PART TWO


Untold History of the United States
http://vimeo.com/59027585
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imrjjUXDeGU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGwwkl2EdeM
http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/inter...oliver_stone)/
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzqro8_the-untold-history-of-the-united-states-ep01_school
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzqscw_the-untold-history-of-the-united-states-ep02_school
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzqwqv_the-untold-history-of-the-united-states-ep03_school
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzqzf4_the-untold-history-of-the-united-states-ep04_school
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzr66a_the-untold-history-of-the-united-states-ep05_school
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzr9vd_the-untold-history-of-the-united-states-ep06_school
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzrf5d_the-untold-history-of-the-united-states-ep07_school
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzrfz7_the-untold-history-of-the-united-states-ep08_school
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzrh40_the-untold-history-of-the-united-states-ep09_school
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzrhcr_the-untold-history-of-the-united-states-ep10_school
http://www.sho.com/sho/oliver-stones-untold-history-of-the-united-states/home

This documentary series, directed by Oliver Stone, looks back at events that at the time went underreported, but crucially shaped America's history over the 20th century.

http://www.oliverstone.com/untoldhistory/?america-undercover/
http://www.primewire.ag/watch-2736014-The-Untold-History-of-the-United-States
read the book on line here
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#444674 - 08/19/13 10:42 AM Re: posse comitatus [Re: Still]
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Holy Mother of GOD!!!

Try thinking beyond the fluffy bunnies for a day!... Though the ideas and messages are not of your life's soundtrack, don't you dare piss on any one stance as "warped, good, bad, etc" because you fear or cannot tolerate dissent.

Stop being so naive!!

? Gee, Rob, I re-read my post and nowhere do I "piss" on anyone here. Where do you see that?

Originally Posted By: Directly from the SITE USE GUIDELINES..........
...this is a place that wishes to promote healing and not chaos. It is not a substitute for therapy and should not be used as a place to vent unprocessed emotions without regard to the effect doing so would have on others. It is a place where questions can be asked and stories shared for the benefit of all rather than reactions that serve to confuse, scare and rob the site of its safety. It is a place where people can take risks to explore issues that require the understanding and support of other brother survivors.

This discussion runs counter to everything that MS claims to be about. What I am seeing here - heightened emotional discussion that frays at the fabric of support and brotherhood - makes precisely the point I made in my post. Perhaps I am being a bit sensitive, fluffy bunnies and all, but it has been rare that I have been taken to task at MS like this. And for ... what, exactly?

Swing away, kick me in the butt on my way out if you feel you must, but this is my last post to this thread.
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#444722 - 08/19/13 07:48 PM Re: posse comitatus [Re: victor-victim]
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this is still a discussion about whether or not there should be a discussion.

there has not been any discussion regarding the topic i posted,
which is freedom of speech versus privacy versus censorship versus public safety.

considering what suppression and silence and secrecy has done to victims of sexual abuse, especially male survivors,
this topic is very relevant to my recovery.
part of my trauma was caused by politics.
some cases are more politically involved and complex than others.
some cases of abuse involve politicians, government, agencies, employees, institutions, cover-ups, corruption, apathy, etc.
mine did.

i question authority.
i support transparency and accountability.

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#444751 - 08/20/13 12:46 AM Re: posse comitatus [Re: victor-victim]
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To the "defenders" of this thread, I'd ask:

What makes you so sure Sandusky did anything?

All you have is evidence, as asserted by witnesses, investigated by authorities, and reported by the media.

And it is that precise type of evidentiary, fact-based, empirical reasoning that most of the sources cited in this thread are dedicated to undoing.

From Holocaust denial, to Obama death squads, to Alex Jones' 9/11Trutherism and Sandy Hook "crisis actor" denialism, to Oliver Stone's four hour magnum opus of fabricated witnesses, false timelines, and fictional ballistics evidence known as "JFK," what we have here is a rogue's gallery of excuses NOT to look at reality, NOT to trust evidence, NOT to cooperate with authorities, and NOT to validate the processes and results of our entire justice system and the very concept of evidentiary reasoning as a whole.

9/11 was possibly the single most widely-witnessed and well-examined crime in history. For its "official story" as deduced by evidence and investigated by the justice system to actually be a lie, literally tens of thousands of people throughout this country would have to have been involved in a flawlessly well-orchestrated and insanely overcomplicated plot - which left behind no hard evidence nor produced any leaks, of course.

Glenn Beck likewise insists that global warming is a hoax, a scientific conspiracy. Which by definition would involve hundreds of thousands of conspirators producing tens of millions of pieces of fraudulent data, across multiple countries with wildly differing political and economic foundational systems, and stretching back in time through very nearly 200 years of laboratory observations which all would have to have been a hoax as well.

Once we've opened that door and validated that line of thinking.... well, heck, why NOT also quote John Ziegler and his fellow Penn State Truthers? Because what IS the evidence against Sandusky that can convict him, if the evidence against Osama bin Laden, Adolf Hitler, Lee Harvey Oswald, and Adam Lanza isn't enough and had to have all been a lie? Jerry Sandusky was one man with perhaps 20 victims - excuse me, "victims" - all in a relatively small area, just a few buildings, over a few years. Bin Laden confessed on film to planning the attacks, but that isn't good enough for an Alex Jones. Well, Sandusky says he's innocent; case open, I suppose?

The dead and crippled children of Sandy Hook, their bereaved and traumatized families, are done no favors, given no protection, by political ghouls proclaiming the whole affair to have ACTUALLY been another Obaman Sekrit Mooslim plot to stage a phony attack that justifies taking your guns away.


This issue is personal to me. Growing up in New York there was no escaping the story of Arnold and Jesse Friedman, who used their computer tutoring class as a cover to rape and torture dozens of boys. Or so the "official story" goes, anyway. From the authorities and from the media. Now, according to an ambitious filmmaker behind a 2003 "documentary" about the Friedmans, it was actually all a hoax. All of the boys were lying. They'd been hypnotized and coerced by cops and fed false memories. And they'd even retracted their stories when they grew up. "Free Jesse," cried every Internet expert, "free Jesse! There was no evidence, the kids all lied, the cops were crooked! I read it somewhere!"

Well.... the victims and their families and their therapists and the original trial judge are still on the record, a quarter of a century later, that there was NO hypnosis; NO recantations; NO police puppeteering; and REAL physical evidence. Blood in the underwear evidence.

Bullshit, says the maverick filmmaker and his Internet fans. The boys were all lying. No rapes, no blood in the underwear, nothing.

How many guys here at MS had to see their own bloody underwear? How many had their parents find it? How many hid it? What would it feel like to have all of them told "You never saw it - you are lying - they are innocent - you are guilty"? I ask rhetorically of course since I know for a fact that many guys here did suffer exactly that.

They should not have had to.

And no one else should have to either.

We serve our causes best with facts, not with fantasies. By rebuilding and taking control of our own histories, instead of constructing comic book villain pseudohistories that disregard the suffering of the victims in favor of chic contrarianism. By facing and overcoming the reality of human cruelty, as documented by evidence of that cruelty - and not by saying all the evidence is a lie and the perpetrators are just patsies.

The stories of a few boys being raped in a Penn State locker room are small enough to be buried and discredited forever as collateral damage accompanying the million-square international crime-hydra of a staged 9/11, a faked Holocaust, crisis actors in Sandy Hook. Once all criminological and historical facts have been destroyed, no evidence of Sandusky's guilt can be fairly gathered, reported, judged, or believed.

Is it worth it?

For a YouTube video?

Is it REALLY worth it?


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#444764 - 08/20/13 07:30 AM Re: posse comitatus [Re: victor-victim]
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#444989 - 08/21/13 06:32 PM THE BIG LIE [Re: SoccerStar]
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i would like to take this opportunity to repost a reminder from earlier in this thread.
Originally Posted By: victor-victim

there has not been any discussion regarding the topic i posted,
which is freedom of speech versus privacy versus censorship versus public safety.

considering what suppression and silence and secrecy has done to victims of sexual abuse, especially male survivors,
this topic is very relevant to my recovery.
part of my trauma was caused by politics.
some cases are more politically involved and complex than others.
some cases of abuse involve politicians, government, agencies, employees, institutions, cover-ups, corruption, apathy, etc.
mine did.

i question authority.
i support transparency and accountability.



"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force.
Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master
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- George Washington -

Dear SoccerStar,

in your post you introduce a number of new topics.
"Jerry Sandusky"
"holocaust denial"
"Obama death squads"
"9/11 trutherism"
"Sandy hook crisis actor denialism"
"Oliver Stone's JFK"
"global warming is a hoax, a scientific conspiracy"
"John Ziegler"
"penn state truthers"
"Osama bin Laden"
"Lee Harvey Oswald"
"Adam Lanza"
"Obaman Sekrit Mooslim"
"Arnold and Jesse Friedman"


sorry, i don't have enough knowledge or information about those issues you brought up, nothing worth sharing.
i have not formed conclusions nor have i expressed opinions about any of those items.
i would need more details before i could respond.
some of these names i know nothing about.
research is required.

you have introduced a number of topics which are not previously mentioned in this thread.
the questions seem to be unrelated to the previous posts.
non sequitur
no offense, but i wonder if you are perhaps replying to a different thread?

in closing, i would like to say that i value research and investigation over speculation and doctrine.
i prefer exposure and disclosure over secrecy and suppression.
i urge examination of details before accepting official stories.

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
- Arthur Conan Doyle -
"Truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies."
- Winston Churchill -
"History is a set of lies agreed upon."
- Napoleon Bonaparte -

Originally Posted By: Still
Its really quite disappointing and disturbing that some are told to stop bringing "politics" into the site, as they have no bearing on CSA....that we are brothers in healing and ought not be divided...When clearly, both religion AND politics seem to play a role in the healing of many survivors.

quoted from another thread.
http://www.malesurvivor.org/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=444768#Post444768

Originally Posted By: victor-victim
STOP THE SILENCE!





quoted from another thread
http://www.malesurvivor.org/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=443645&page=2


MORE about the art of PROPAGANDA and the BIG LIE

"in the BIG LIE there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the BIG LIE than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying."

"follow the principle that when one lies, one should LIE BIG, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous."

"people will believe a BIG LIE sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."

sources:
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie
- http://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa-legalizes-propaganda-2012-5
- http://rt.com/usa/propaganda-us-smith-amendment-903/
- http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/
- http://www.historians.org/projects/giroundtable/Propaganda/Propaganda1.htm
- http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda

Passed as part of the National Defense Authorization Act [NDAA 2013] HR 4310, signed by Obama on 12/29/2012.
- http://www.smithmundt.com/what-does-smit...ent-propaganda/
- http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr5736
- http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr5736ih/pdf/BILLS-112hr5736ih.pdf
- http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.5736:
- http://thornberry.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=296108


One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If weve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. Were no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. Its simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that weve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.
- Carl Sagan -

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."
- J.Edgar Hoover -
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#445013 - 08/21/13 09:56 PM Re: THE BIG LIE [Re: victor-victim]
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Originally Posted By: victor-victim
you have introduced a number of topics which are not previously mentioned in this thread.
the questions seem to be unrelated to the previous posts.
non sequitur
no offense, but i wonder if you are perhaps replying to a different thread?


Ummmmm.......yeah..........was wondering bout that myself.
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#445093 - 08/22/13 11:10 AM Re: THE BIG LIE [Re: Still]
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Originally Posted By: Still
Originally Posted By: victor-victim
you have introduced a number of topics which are not previously mentioned in this thread.
the questions seem to be unrelated to the previous posts.
non sequitur
no offense, but i wonder if you are perhaps replying to a different thread?


Ummmmm.......yeah..........was wondering bout that myself.


A previous poster brought up Sandusky as a defense of this thread, basically saying that blocking important discussions leads to the secrecy in which he was able to thrive.

Every single other thing mentioned (9/11Trutherism, Sandy Hook "crisis actors," Lee Harvey Oswald) were brought up in this thread's links or by the people who wrote them - except for the Friedman perp team. That was the only thing I introduced, and since it is an example of how this sort of anti-evidentiary "hidden plot" type of thinking actually helps perps and hurts victims, it is not a non-sequitur.

The point remains: if the threads cited here are correct and Osama bin Laden and Adam Lanza are innocent, then Jerry Sandusky MUST be innocent as his crimes were of a much smaller scale and would have been easier to fake. If people don't believe a dead kid who got autopsied and put in a coffin in Sandy Hook, by what imaginable standard of reasoning can they believe a living kid in Penn State who said a few words and then went home?
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#445121 - 08/22/13 03:16 PM Re: THE BIG LIE [Re: victor-victim]
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i am only asking questions.
just curious.
i like to explore, examine, research, study, and investigate.
many things don't make sense.

the official stories are not credible.

questioning an official story does not mean i know what really happened.
questioning an official story does not mean i have an alternate theory.
questioning an official story does not mean i reject everything presented therein.
questioning an official story does not mean i blindly believe everything presented by alternate news sources which also question that official story.

i make no accusations.

i offer no opinions.

i advocate scientific skeptic suspicion.

i have worked in media for thirty years.
it is my business.
we called it "subvertising" "infotainment" etc.
but never is it "the truth".
mainstream news is "produced" for profit and "composed" for the consumers.
it is "designed" to distract.
in short, it is emotional entertainment.
what is portrayed is never the truth.
only a collection of facts and rumours.
which facts and rumours make it into the story depends on a series of unpredictable parameters which are never the same twice.

i urge everyone to doubt all information sources,
including the large and popular corporates.

beware the bias.
beweare the false balance.

the capitalistic funding system of the media distorts the incentive to produce objective news.
in order to maximize their profits and please their sponsors, they must maximize consumption of their news.

the media cant help but fall prey to the dangers of bias.
it is a weakness of the human condition which allows reporters to be reduced to mere mouthpieces of special-interest groups; which allows entertaining stories to outsell informative ones; which means the media seeks a cause, an angle, a reason, a hero, a winner, a loser, someone to blame.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_manipulation

If you get information from one source, its called plagiarism; if you get it from two or more sources, its called research.

Originally Posted By: SoccerStar
if the threads cited here are correct


one should never assume that everything found on these links (or any website) is 100% accurate.
this is where a critical thinker must use deductive reasoning, inductive logic, common sense, and natural instinct.
this is when i get out my occam's razor.


If we can't think for ourselves, if we're unwilling to question authority,
then we're just putty in the hands of those in power.
But if the citizens are educated and form their own opinions, then those in power work for us.
In every country, we should be teaching our children the scientific method and the reasons for a Bill of Rights
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#445138 - 08/22/13 04:48 PM manufacturing consent [Re: victor-victim]
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MANUFACTURING CONSENT

"Control of thought is more important for governments that are free and popular than for despotic and military states. The logic is straightforward: a despotic state can control its domestic enemies by force, but as the state loses this weapon, other devices are required to prevent the ignorant masses from interfering with public affairs, which are none of their businessthe public are to be observers, not participants, consumers of ideology as well as products."
- Noam Chomsky


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO51ahW9JlE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQhEBCWMe44


"The major media-particularly, the elite media that set the agenda that others generally follow-are corporations selling privileged audiences to other businesses. It would hardly come as a surprise if the picture of the world they present were to reflect the perspectives and interests of the sellers, the buyers, and the product. Concentration of ownership of the media is high and increasing. Furthermore, those who occupy managerial positions in the media, or gain status within them as commentators, belong to the same privileged elites, and might be expected to share the perceptions, aspirations, and attitudes of their associates, reflecting their own class interests as well. Journalists entering the system are unlikely to make their way unless they conform to these ideological pressures, generally by internalizing the values; it is not easy to say one thing and believe another, and those who fail to conform will tend to be weeded out by familiar mechanisms."
- Noam Chomsky

http://parisis.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/noam-chomsky.pdf http://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/hj/chomskyhermanpropmodel.pdf
http://focalizalaatencion.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/herman-chomsky-2002-manufacturingconsent.pdf
http://library.uniteddiversity.coop/Media_and_Free_Culture/Noam_Chomsky-Media_Control.pdf


who is NOAM CHOMSKY? ?
Institute Professor & Professor of Linguistics (Emeritus)
Linguistic Theory, Syntax, Semantics, Philosophy of Language
MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology)

http://www.chomsky.info/
http://web.mit.edu/linguistics/people/faculty/chomsky/index.html

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#445145 - 08/22/13 05:29 PM Re: THE BIG LIE [Re: victor-victim]
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Quote:
the official stories are not credible


They are to me - and even if they weren't, Appeal To Incredulity is a logical fallacy. Many real things are all but unbelievable: atoms are very small, have never even been seen, Hiroshima was very big and you could walk through it and see and touch it, but that atom bomb still destroyed Hiroshima.

So I agree that, yes, we need to rely on the most well-demonstrated evidence possible and be aware of Occam's Razor. But in all cases cited here, the Razor cuts towards the official story.

"Dissenting from the official stories" of 9/11, like Alex Jones, puts you in opposition of brute facts of physics and avionics - and that's a bad place to be.

For the Kennedy murder, like Oliver Stone, you must go up against brute facts of physics and ballistics - again, a bad place to be.

For global warming like Glenn Beck, it's the brute facts of chemistry arrayed against you - again, a losing proposition.

And in all of those cases, there's the matter of the tens to hundreds of thousands of conspirators who would have to have their nefarious plans unfold without a hitch and stay that way for decades or centuries - in a world where, try as they might, the richest and most powerful people who have the most to lose can't even make the stock market keep moving in their favor even though it's something completely man-made. Such human perfection would be logistically unachievable even if the immutable forces governing our universe DIDN'T make the schemes impossible from day 1.

There is nothing universally physically ironclad that 100% rules out a hoax at Sandy Hook, or birdflu being cooked up in a secret lab on President Obama's orders. Those would be biochemically, physically possible. However, they also are so staggeringly overcomplicated, doused with such immense risk to deliver minimal benefit, as to remove any motive or hope of remaining a secret. Obama was clever enough to stage a fake school shooting that would allow him to... introduce weak gun control legislation in Congress, weaker than the laws we had on the books 20 years ago... and then sit back and watch while even that weak push is voted down? You can't be a LITTLE BIT of an evil genocidal dictatorial all-powerful puppetmaster - you either are one or you're not. If you could succeed in phase 1, failure in phase 2 would be impossible.

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. Questions are not evidence.


Quote:
If we can't think for ourselves, if we're unwilling to question authority,
then we're just putty in the hands of those in power.
But if the citizens are educated and form their own opinions, then those in power work for us. In every country, we should be teaching our children the scientific method and the reasons for a Bill of Rights. --Carl Sagan


Carl Sagan despised conspiracy theories and devoted his life to fighting them. You are quoting him in opposition to his own beliefs, statements, and values.


I have to say... it does not look like a good-faith effort to advance a point to post hundreds upon hundreds of links that allegedly prove one point, while disavowing knowledge or responsibility for other points that can be found there too and not actually engaging with respondents. If your point is "the media is biased and secrecy is bad," that's cool, I'm right with you. But you don't have to scrape out a case for that next to the notion that Al Qaeda does not exist and it was actually the Pope who blew up the WTC. It is the opposite of whatever point you are trying to make.
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#445150 - 08/22/13 06:09 PM Re: THE BIG LIE [Re: SoccerStar]
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you know, i would be more trusting and gullible if i had not had so much personal experience with manipulation of the media.
i have seen too many cover ups and lies make it to "OFFICIAL STORY" status.
i have seen it with my own eyes, over and over again.

the lie becomes the mythological truth of the majority.

in this business of mass media,
it is far too easy to manipulate the masses,
it is surprisingly simple for experts to exploit the trust and ignorance and prejudice of the general public.

we use neuro-linguistic programming, game theory, occult symbolism, shapes, graphic design, colors, psychology, hypnotism, illusion, trickery, etc.
whatever it takes to influence the target mind.

all these tools are being used against us every day.
when a tool is used against me, i consider it a weapon.

i was a member of a group of people that just recently got our candidate successfully elected into the legislative assembly.
we spent thousands of hours shaping the media to our benefit.
the whole thing was run on conspiracy and secrecy.
we had insiders.
we had spies.
it was all about controlling the message.
it was about selling the product.
it was marketing.

inconvenient truths were buried.

when my rapist was arrested...
all of his government connections and his accomplices were left out of the "official story".
he was presented as a lone nut.
i KNOW what really was going on.
i was an eyewitness.
there were over 300 of us.

we were kept out of the news.
our experience has been erased.
our history has been denied and deleted.
when i talk about the Clifford Olson conspiracy,
i am called crazy, even though i was there.
i saw what i saw!
when the "official story" denies or ignores my truth,
i am robbed of my own reality.
i am left doubting my own memories.
but I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED!
Cliff was part of an organized group of pedophiles with connections to the government.
i was literally handed over to cliff by my own government's
youth employment and rehabilitation services, because i was a runaway juvenile delinquent.
now they deny it.
if people just accept the "official story" about Clifford Olson, simply from what the news has told us, they are being lied to.

now they are doing the same thing with the William Pickton pig farm nightmare.
it was organized.
there was a group of people involved.
hundreds of people know what was going on there.
i have spoken to dozens of people who saw what happened.
yet the news, police, government insist he was a lone wolf.
all the witnesses "lack credibility".
street people and sex-trade workers with drug abuse issues.
typical abuse victims.
people like me.

crooked government is behind a lot of child abuse and other evils.
this is not a joke.
i am dead serious.

believe "official" stories at your own peril.

i do not know anything about sandy hook,
but i do know that "crisis actors" exist.
i work in the entertainment business.
you can hire them here:
http://www.iifdata.com/core-competencies/role-player-support/
you can apply to be one here:
http://www.iifdata.com/human-resources/submit-your-resume/

the following comes from http://visionbox.org/

Quote:
Active Shooter Crisis Actors Target Mall Shootings via Visionbox

DENVER, CO, October 31, 2012 A new group of actors is now available nationwide for active shooter drills and mall shooting full-scale exercises, announced Visionbox, Denvers leading professional actors studio.

Visionbox Crisis Actors are trained in criminal and victim behavior, and bring intense realism to simulated mass casualty incidents in public places.

The actors stage acting experience, ranging from Shakespeare to contemporary American theater, enables them to stay in character throughout an exercise, and improvise scenes of extreme stress while strictly following official exercise scenarios.

The actors regularly rehearse scenarios involving the Incident Command System and crisis communications, and appear in interactive training films produced in both 2D and stereoscopic 3D.

Producers Jennifer R____n and John S_____s formed the group to demonstrate emerging security technologies, help first responders visualize life-saving procedures, and assist trainers in delivering superior hands-on crisis response training.

For example, with a large shopping center, the producers review all security camera views and design dramatic scenes specifically for existing camera angles, robotic camera sweeps, and manually-controlled camera moves.

The producers then work with the trainers to create a prompt book for the actors so that key scenario developments can be triggered throughout the mall shooting simulation, and caught on tape.

The actors can play the part of the shooters, mall employees, shoppers in the mall, shoppers who continue to arrive at the mall, media reporters and others rushing to the mall, and persons in motor vehicles around the mall.

Visionbox Crisis Actors can also play the role of citizens calling 911 or mall management, or posting comments on social media websites.

Visionbox is a project of the Colorado Nonprofit Development Center. Crisis Actors is a project of the Colorado Safety Task Force established by Colorado State Senator Steve King.

Contact:
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#445153 - 08/22/13 06:34 PM Re: THE BIG LIE [Re: SoccerStar]
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Originally Posted By: SoccerStar

"Dissenting from the official stories" of 9/11, like Alex Jones, puts you in opposition of brute facts of physics and avionics - and that's a bad place to be.

For the Kennedy murder, like Oliver Stone, you must go up against brute facts of physics and ballistics - again, a bad place to be.

For global warming like Glenn Beck, it's the brute facts of chemistry arrayed against you - again, a losing proposition.


can you provide me with links regarding these items?
i need more information.
i would like to see some of these "brute facts" for myself.
however, i am not an expert in physics.
here are some links I found from architects and engineers investigating the physics.
"The Experts Speak Out"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fmseAai4Is
Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth
http://www.ae911truth.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-V1CiuGMJo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architects_%26_Engineers_for_9/11_Truth
*Dr. Bob Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=732K5Bc3bWY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ald34LlwvBU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlGm9ZorT4Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUOOnhbf-hA
Robert M. Bowman was Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for the U.S. Air Force in the Ford and Carter administrations, and a United States Air Force Lieutenant Colonel with 101 combat missions. He received a Ph.D. in aeronautics and nuclear engineering from the California Institute of Technology.
*Major General Albert Stubblebine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beIbbnt9LHk
Major General Albert Stubblebine III graduated from The United States Military Academy (West Point) and served in the US Army for 32 years.
His commands as a General Officer included the US Army Intelligence Center and School, the Army's Electronic Research and Development Command (ERADCOM) and the US Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM).

*Raymond McGovern
http://xrepublic.tv/node/2907
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3M5G3zZhcU
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1cuzj_ray-mcgovern-on-the-9-11-truth-move_news
Raymond McGovern is a Harvard graduate and retired US ARMY intelligence and senior CIA director who gave the President's Daily Brief (PDB) to Reagan and Bush Sr.

i also found this group of professional commercial and combat pilots investigating the avionics.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apL75Dox5Wk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAaEZEB850M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm58cPH8L78
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdjgtBj_HwM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_1Dd2xZ8SQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9blYep9b3w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAaEZEB850M
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/media.html
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/p4t/P4T_On_Meria_net.mp3

and here we have the Japanese Parliament questioning the "official" 9.11 story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UEVcuJaiak
Yukihisa Fujita of the Japan Democratic party, made a 20 minute long statement at the House of Councillors, the upper house of the Diet (parliament) of Japan.
He questioned the official version of 9/11 presented to the Japanese government and the public by the US administration in a session of the defence commission.

and here is CIA asset and whistleblower Susan Lindauer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Lindauer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G43zl4fzDQg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnCIVeX0Ukc
http://archive.org/details/scm-21998-susanlindauerpart1of2
http://archive.org/details/scm-22002-susanlindauerpart2of2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37c106yyzkw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQjTYmDKPaI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yraUbBfAGBA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxWO34p0wJU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1eG9VCA8m4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbI4-IJrsuc

Poll Finds Americans Doubt Official 9/11 Theories
http://rethink911.org/docs/ReThink911Survey_Results_PressRelease.pdf
http://rethink911.org/docs/ReThink911_YouGov_Poll_Results_Summary.pdf
http://rethink911.org/docs/Rethink911Results083013.xls
http://digitaljournal.com/article/358624#ixzz2fR8aDXvt
and here is former Asia-Pacific Bureau Chief for Forbes Magazine... Benjamin Fulford.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW4p9N2Ocs8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqJRE5jK71I
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/1216/Fulford___Chinese_Secret_Society_vs_NWO_Illuminati/
http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_Benjamin_Fulford_070507.mp3
http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_Benjamin_Fulford_072307.mp3

Originally Posted By: SoccerStar

And in all of those cases, there's the matter of the tens to hundreds of thousands of conspirators who would have to have their nefarious plans unfold without a hitch and stay that way for decades or centuries - in a world where, try as they might, the richest and most powerful people who have the most to lose can't even make the stock market keep moving in their favor even though it's something completely man-made. Such human perfection would be logistically unachievable even if the immutable forces governing our universe DIDN'T make the schemes impossible from day 1.


i know that in my german family history, public deception has been the rule, rather than the exception.
the entire country was deceived!
that is... millions of suckers, and millions of conspirators.
their plans did not come off without a hitch.
the ruling party had to use multiple overlapping backup plans implemented through a compartmentalized society trained to trust authority.
they also had plenty of expendable believers that were thrown under the bus every time a plan was exposed.
some of these patsies were willing to take one for the team.
if you truly supported the effort, falling on your sword to protect your superiors was the honourable thing to do.
if the patsy was reluctant to be the fall guy, there were other ways to coerce and convince the person to play ball.

there was a lot of "just doing my job" and "just following orders" which was not accepted as a valid defense at Nuremburg.
the ruling party committed atrocities, genocides, and false flags and they got away with it... for a long time.
all they did was lie to their own people, "for their own good".
the doubters and dissenters either kept their mouth shut or suffered ridicule, persecution, and worse, for simply questioning the "official" storyline.
i have talked to dozens of WW2 germans, including my own relatives.
in the words of Mark Twain - "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."
or as George Santayana put it - "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."


regarding the stock market...
someone is making a lot of money.
for every dollar lost, a dollar is won.
it is called "zero-sum".
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/z/zero-sumgame.asp
all the money that investors have lost is in a winner's pocket.

i was a trader for years.
i studied hard with the Canadian Securities Institute.
https://www.csi.ca
that was where i first learned about the fractional reserve system and the fraud that is the FEDERAL RESERVE.
here are 25 facts about the FEDERAL RESERVE.
it is privately owned!
http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/default.htm
the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit stated that: "The Reserve Banks are not federal instrumentalities for purposes of the FTCA [the Federal Tort Claims Act], but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations."
http://www.federalreserve.gov/OTHERFRB.HTM
it is one big insider theft game.
it is like gambling on horses.
you can do all the research you want,
and try to guess intelligently,
or you can just bet on a hunch,
but the house always wins.
there are numerous investigations and arrests regarding
conspiracy to commit fraud.
that means that there must be conspiracies.
a conspiracy is a plan.
the rich and powerful devise plans.
they must!
or they would not stay rich and powerful.
the success of those plans relies on secrecy.
all one has to do is imagine that some of those rich and powerful people are not nice, and some might even be evil.
some of them could be immoral or insane.
some lack empathy, and some are sadistic.
if these folks find each other and decide to work together, then you have a criminal conspiracy.
it happens all the time.
i have seen it in every business or organization i have been involved with.
why not among the rich and powerful?

besides, the really rich and powerful, the ones who print and control the money supply do not rely on fiat currency.
money is a belief system designed to control and motivate workers into production.

Quote:
If we can't think for ourselves, if we're unwilling to question authority,
then we're just putty in the hands of those in power.
But if the citizens are educated and form their own opinions, then those in power work for us. In every country, we should be teaching our children the scientific method and the reasons for a Bill of Rights. --Carl Sagan

Carl Sagan despised conspiracy theories and devoted his life to fighting them. You are quoting him in opposition to his own beliefs, statements, and values.


the quote speaks for itself.
as does this one...
One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If weve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. Were no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. Its simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that weve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.
- Carl Sagan -


Originally Posted By: SoccerStar
If your point is "the media is biased and secrecy is bad," that's cool, I'm right with you.


that is a fact.
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#445154 - 08/22/13 06:48 PM Re: THE BIG LIE [Re: victor-victim]
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questions are not evidence.
this is true.

questions about discrepancies in "official" stories should not be shunned.
questions should be accepted, addressed, answered, and eliminated.
especially when the event involves the death and suffering of people.

the desire to "get to the bottom of it" is no insult to the victims.
questions regarding discrepancies should be welcomed.
investigations should be encouraged.
no stone should be left unturned.
conclusive reports must be able to withstand continuous and ongoing scrutiny from future generations.

unfortunately, questions are opposed.
doubters are resented.
scrutiny is rejected.
this is a dangerous environment.

FBI calls half of populace with 9/11 doubts potential terrorists
http://www.columbuspolice.org/Units/TEW%20Info/recognizing_sleepers_word2007trifold.pdf
http://digitaljournal.com/article/358624#ixzz2fR8aDXvt

Beware of Homeland Security Training for Local Law Enforcement, by An Insider
https://axiomamuse.wordpress.com/2011/03...-by-an-insider/
http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/ridiculous-dhs-list-you-might-be-domestic-ter

"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence."
carl sagan
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#445188 - 08/22/13 11:37 PM Re: THE BIG LIE [Re: Still]
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dear still,

i checked out your Rob's Globs

http://robbie357.wordpress.com/abuse-videos/

i am very impressed.
is that a page you created?
did you produce the videos?
if so... well done.
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#445301 - 08/23/13 11:47 PM Re: THE BIG LIE [Re: victor-victim]
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Originally Posted By: victor-victim
dear still,

i checked out your Rob's Globs

http://robbie357.wordpress.com/abuse-videos/

i am very impressed.
is that a page you created?
did you produce the videos?
if so... well done.


I produced all except for "A Song To Say Goodbye" and "Hollocene"

The 700-Club TV segment was a collaboration of efforts over the course of a year. It is VERY hard to find child actors and/or parents that will play these parts.

I am always working on new ones for some subject matter. I'm trying to get a concept-pitch video roughed together for a variety of motocross uses.

I'm glad you like them. They are finally getting more and more global views via various other channels.
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#447013 - 09/12/13 07:34 PM Russian President addresses American Public [Re: Still]
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24058529
http://www.militarytimes.com/interactive...a-by-3-1-margin

The American people are used to being addressed by an American President. Not a Russian one.

But Vladimir Putin knows that the US public and politicians are deeply uneasy with the prospect of American military intervention in Syria. His opinion piece in the New York Times may be an attempt to exploit and maintain that scepticism.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html

here is the text of that open letter printed in the new york times.

"RECENT events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.

Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization the United Nations was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.

The United Nations founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with Americas consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.

No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.

The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syrias borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.

Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy in Syria. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world.

Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all.

From the outset, Russia has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in todays complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression.

No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack this time against Israel cannot be ignored.

It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in Americas long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan youre either with us or against us.

But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.

No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.

The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.

We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.

A new opportunity to avoid military action has emerged in the past few days. The United States, Russia and all members of the international community must take advantage of the Syrian governments willingness to place its chemical arsenal under international control for subsequent destruction. Judging by the statements of President Obama, the United States sees this as an alternative to military action.

I welcome the presidents interest in continuing the dialogue with Russia on Syria. We must work together to keep this hope alive, as we agreed to at the Group of 8 meeting in Lough Erne in Northern Ireland in June, and steer the discussion back toward negotiations.

If we can avoid force against Syria, this will improve the atmosphere in international affairs and strengthen mutual trust. It will be our shared success and open the door to cooperation on other critical issues.

My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States policy is what makes America different. Its what makes us exceptional. It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lords blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.
"

Vladimir V. Putin
September 12, 2013
MOSCOW


here we have the opinion of a U.S.Congressman.
Former Rep. Ron Paul, (R-Texas),
argues the U.S. should stay out of Syria.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0HqCWG171g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzbEWYi_CI8

here we have the opinion of Belgian Member of Parliament
LAURENT LOUIS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLpoUH-WDx4

and here the opinion of US Senator Ted Cruz
http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/09/03/senator-ted-cruz-weighs-in-on-u-s-military-action-in-syria/

revelation of General Wesley Clark
four-star general, former supreme commander of NATO and former democratic presidential candidate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAHWrF-Jsw0
http://www.biography.com/people/wesley-clark-10103240
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2e1_1315555366
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXcu29fFs2M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKrkokQIx9g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuVVml5Dp2s


British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook speaks out and resigns...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dwKkl7Nydw
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=robin_cook
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jul/08/july7.development

then dies a few weeks later...
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/07/obituaries/07cook.html

research resource links
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/12/201759.htm
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-offi...apons-august-21
http://www.scribd.com/doc/164539022/Draft-resolution-text
http://www.scribd.com/doc/164538744/TEXT...T-OF-THE-SENATE
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/693330/rodriguez-letter-to-senator-mccain-4-25-13-1.pdf
http://warisacrime.org/downloads/vipstwelve.pdf
http://revfelicity.files.wordpress.com/2...l-research1.pdf
http://www.scribd.com/doc/163547356/Rige...Action-in-Syria
http://www.bnp.org.uk/sites/default/files/us_house_of_representatives.pdf
http://rigell.house.gov/uploadedfiles/8.28.13_letter_to_potus_with_signatories.pdf
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2013/04/Rodriguez-Letter-to-Senator-Levin-4.25.13.pdf
http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/210667.pdf
http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/u-s-military-confirms-rebels-had-sarin/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zvEVz_3_sM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...ugh-Zagreb.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nati...889d_story.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/19/opinion/lweb22pakistan.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...ll-7606236.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poAJLlfW0dQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxzi1IORy5c
http://mychal-massie.com/premium/us-troops-receive-orders-to-deploy-to-syria/
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2...o_chemical.html
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/78961-al-nusra-commits-to-al-qaida-deny-iraq-branch-merger/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post...5c680_blog.html
http://www.thedossier.info/news_articles/ians_cia-worked-in-tandem-with-pak-to-create-taliban.pdf
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-18125.html
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=selig_harrison
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/searc...n&search=Go
http://freebeacon.com/fog-of-war-may-complicate-arming-syrian-rebels/
http://aangirfan.blogspot.ca/2013/05/newspaper-cia-runs-al-qaeda.html
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2013/09/continuity-of-agenda-syria-catastrophe.html
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2012/10/nato-using-al-qaeda-rat-lines-to-flood.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ojU09JOIAc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML3qYHWRIZk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuBe93FMiJc

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#447017 - 09/12/13 08:18 PM Re: 1984 versus 1776 [Re: victor-victim]
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http://www.democracynow.org/2012/4/20/whistleblower_the_nsa_is_lying_us

Whistleblower: The NSA Is Lying
U.S. Government Has Copies of Most of Your Emails


National Security Agency whistleblower William Binney reveals he believes domestic surveillance has become more expansive under President Obama than President George W. Bush. He estimates the NSA has assembled 20 trillion "transactions" phone calls, emails and other forms of data from Americans. This likely includes copies of almost all of the emails sent and received from most people living in the United States. Binney talks about Section 215 of the USA PATRIOT Act and challenges NSA Director Keith Alexanders assertion that the NSA is not intercepting information about U.S. citizens. This interview is part of a 5-part special on growing state surveillance.

http://www.democracynow.org/shows/2012/4/20

this is very revealing:
http://cryptome.org/2013/07/nsa-xkeyscore.pdf
XKeyscore: NSA tool collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data

Training materials for the XKeyscore program detail how analysts can use it and other systems to mine enormous agency databases and develop intelligence from the web.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/jul/31/nsa-xkeyscore-program-full-presentation

Corruption of Intelligence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku8nPOun9SE
http://www.globalresearch.ca/cia-fabrica...cgovern/5349071
http://raymcgovern.com/

has anyone here heard of the Overton Window?
http://www.mackinac.org/12887
http://www.mackinac.org/12481
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
yet another method of mass mind manipulation and crowd control...
like Neurolinguistic Programming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurolinguistic_programming
and the Hegelian Dialectic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegelian_dialectic
and Game Theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory
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#447041 - 09/12/13 10:06 PM Re: 1984 versus 1776 [Re: victor-victim]
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What???? NSA lying? Surely not!!!! (joking smile )

I believe my abuser when I was 12 was experimenting on me on behalf of the NSA. See my posts on abuse of me as a child.

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#447367 - 09/16/13 04:36 PM Re: 1984 versus 1776 [Re: pufferfish]
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they can't be lying.

Former NSA and CIA director General Michael Hayden stood on the pulpit of a church across from the White House on Sunday and declared Gmail the preferred online service of terrorists. As part of an adult education forum at St. Johns Episcopal Church, Hayden gave a wide ranging speech on "the tension between security and liberty."

At one point, Hayden expressed a distaste for online anonymity, saying The problem I have with the Internet is that its anonymous.

http://stjohns-dc.org/stj/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/01-The-Tension-Between-Security-and-Liberty.mp3
http://stjohns-dc.org/worship/podcasts/

During the speech, he specifically defended Section 702 of the Foreign Surveillance Intelligence Act (FISA), which provides the legal basis for the PRISM program. In doing so, Hayden claimed "Gmail is the preferred Internet service provider of terrorists worldwide," presumably meaning online service rather than the actual provider of Internet service.

source: http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/Blog/2013/09.../6671379345486/
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/searchresults.action?st=fisa

New York Times reports
NSA Often Broke Rules on Privacy
The National Security Agency violated privacy rules protecting the communications of Americans and others on domestic soil 2,776 times over a one-year period, according to an internal audit.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/16/us/nsa-often-broke-rules-on-privacy-audit-shows.html

Washington Post reports
NSA broke privacy rules thousands of times per year.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigat...4497_story.html
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/na...er-of-2012/395/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nati...7125_story.html

U.S. Senators Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Mark Udall (D-Colo.) issued the following statement regarding reports that the NSA has violated rules intended to protect Americans' privacy thousands of times each year. Wyden and Udall are both members of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

The executive branch has now confirmed that the 'rules, regulations and court-imposed standards for protecting the privacy of Americans' have been violated thousands of times each year. We have previously said that the violations of these laws and rules were more serious than had been acknowledged, and we believe Americans should know that this confirmation is just the tip of a larger iceberg.

While Senate rules prohibit us from confirming or denying some of the details in today's press reports, the American people have a right to know more details about of these violations. We hope that the executive branch will take steps to publicly provide more information as part of the honest, public debate of surveillance authorities that the Administration has said it is interested in having.

In particular, we believe the public deserves to know more about the violations of the secret court orders that have authorized the bulk collection of Americans' phone and email records under the USA PATRIOT Act. The public should also be told more about why the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court has said that the executive branch's implementation of section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act has circumvented the spirit of the law, particularly since the executive branch has declined to address this concern.

We appreciate the candor of the Chief Judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court regarding the Court's inability to independently verify statements made by the executive branch. We believe that the Court is not currently structured in a way that makes it an effective check on the power of the executive branch. This highlights the need for a robust and well-staffed public advocate who could participate in significant cases before the Court and evaluate and counter government assertions. Without such an advocate on the court, and without greater transparency regarding the Court's rulings, the checks and balances on executive branch authority enshrined in the Constitution cannot be adequately upheld
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http://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-r...ection-programs

http://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-r...-be-made-public

http://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-r...ions-unanswered

Thursday, May 26, 2011
Washington, D.C. Speaking on the floor of the U.S Senate during the truncated debate on the reauthorization of the PATRIOT ACT for another four years, U.S. Senator Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) a member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence -- warned his colleagues that a vote to extend the bill will cause public outrage.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMAX_Frj8xM

Senator Wyden says, "I have served on the Intelligence Committee for a decade, and I want to deliver a warning this afternoon: when the American people find out how their government has secretly interpreted the Patriot Act, they will be stunned and they will be angry. And they will be asking senators, Did you know what this law actually permits? Why didnt you know before you voted on it? The fact is that anyone can read the plain text of the Patriot Act, and yet many members of Congress have no idea how the law is being secretly interpreted by the executive branch, because that interpretation is classified."

research links:
https://www.cdt.org/files/file/26-Senators-Letter-NSA.pdf
https://www.cdt.org/files/file/DNI-Response-Senators-NSA.pdf
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/prismfactsheet0608.pdf
http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/speeches_testimonies/2013_08_21_Joint_Statement_ODNI_NSA.pdf
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-92/pdf/STATUTE-92-Pg1783.pdf
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-110hr6304enr/pdf/BILLS-110hr6304enr.pdf (page 3)
http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/Government%20Surveillance%20Factsheet.pdf
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1861
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/3024
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/chapter-36
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/95-1978/s764
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d095:SN01566:@@@D&summ2=m&
http://epic.org/privacy/terrorism/fisa/
http://epic.org/privacy/terrorism/fisa/reform/
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/aclu071008.pdf
http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2013/08/dni082113.pdf
https://www.fas.org/irp/news/2013/06/nsa-sect702.pdf
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/09/abuse-patriot-act-must-end


"Do not call conspiracy
everything this people calls a conspiracy;
do not fear what they fear,
and do not dread it.
The Lord Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy,
he is the one you are to fear,
he is the one you are to dread
."
Isaiah 8:12-13 (New International Version)
http://www.biblestudytools.com/isaiah/passage.aspx?q=isaiah+8:12-13
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#447383 - 09/16/13 06:36 PM Re: 1st Amendment Right [Re: victor-victim]
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#447385 - 09/16/13 07:09 PM Re: 1st Amendment Right [Re: victor-victim]
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Los Angeles Weekly article about Suspicious Death of Journalist Michael Hastings
http://www.laweekly.com/2013-08-29/news/michael-hastings-accident/
http://www.laweekly.com/2013-08-22/news/michael-hastings-crash/

Los Angeles Times publishes coroner's report.
http://documents.latimes.com/coroner-report-michael-hastings/
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-michael-hastings-meth-coroner-20130820,0,5038230.story
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me...0,2381330.story

Al Jazeera reports on Michael Hastings
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/9/9/fbi-releases-redacteddocumentonmichaelhastings.html
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/785046-al-jazeera-fbi-michael-hastings-release.html
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/9/9/fbi-releases-redacteddocumentonmichaelhastings.html

Rolling Stone Article by Michael Hastings
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/new...nators-20110223
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-runaway-general-20100622

CNN interview with Michael Hastings widow
http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2013/08...-stories-going/

Huffington Post reports on Michael Hastings
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/06..._n_3712426.html

New York Magazine article
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/06/michael-hastings-fbi-wikileaks-death-conspiracies.html
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/06/journalist-michael-hastings-has-died.html

FBI being sued by colleagues of Michael Hastings
https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/blog/2013/07/were-suing-fbi-records-journalist-michael-hastings
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/741358-michael-hastings-foia-lawsuit.html
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/758556/doj-response-to-shapiro-leopold-foia-lawsuit-for.pdf

Burlington Free Press
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/artic...gating-over-NSA

CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-5759...fore-his-death/

RT News
http://rt.com/usa/sent-death-email-hastings-172/
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#447763 - 09/20/13 07:36 PM nsa vs.usa: snowden fallout [Re: victor-victim]
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this could be big.

Brazil Looks To Break From US centric Internet

"Given that the former NSA contractor, Edward Snowden revealed that United States has been snooping on many countries around the world, as well as that of Brazil has really made the Brazilian government to think seriously about divorcing itself from the US centric infrastructure of the Internet."
"Because of this, in a very recent move President Dilma Rousseff has ordered a series of measures to create a form of Brazilian Internet independence and security."

"Brazil plans to divorce itself from the U.S.-centric Internet over Washington's widespread online spying, a move that many experts fear will be a potentially dangerous first step toward fracturing a global network built with minimal interference by governments."

http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/the-poten...ernet-1.1458171

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24145662

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-...enters-brazil/2


http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/9/20/brazil-internet-dilmarousseffnsa.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-brics-i...nternet/5350272


Brazil's ban on U.S. Internet services may prove futile

"Experts doubt that Brazil's proposed efforts at cutting digital ties with the U.S. will actually keep the NSA at bay."

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2013/091813-brazil-ban-273955.html

http://www.excitingrio.com/brazil-looks-break-us-centric-internet/

http://www.thehindu.com/news/internation...icle5137689.ece
http://www.thehindu.com/news/internation...icle5143207.ece
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ns...icle5086977.ece

http://www.bricscable.com/

http://vimeo.com/62538784 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkQI4bJcDGw


https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/bl...s-surveillance/

http://businesstech.co.za/news/general/34064/brics-cable-eyes-2015-completion/

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/brics-cable-maynot-be-approved-this-summit/1092730/

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20...ations-Services

http://www.iol.co.za/business/international/investors-eye-brics-cable-1.1314131

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#447782 - 09/20/13 10:48 PM what is prism? [Re: victor-victim]
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WHAT IS PRISM?

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB436/docs/EBB-055.pdf
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/national/inner-workings-of-a-top-secret-spy-program/282/
http://fr.slideshare.net/EmilandDC/dear-nsa-let-me-take-care-ou
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2013/jun/10/nsa-prism-hague-gchq-video
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/23/nsa-prism-costs-tech-companies-paid
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/t...97_graphic.html
http://www.scribd.com/doc/162016974/FISA-court-opinion-with-exemptions
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06/snowden-powerpoint/
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-06/11/prism-powerpoint-slides
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06/prism-faq/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/11/nsa-prism-powerpoint-slides_n_3423674.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/06/nsa-prism-data-mining_n_3399310.html

related documents:
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB436/


http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2013/09...her-this-storm/

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This letter, sent on September 13, is signed by NSA Director Gen. Keith Alexander and NSA Deputy Director John Inglis.
It begins, We are writing to you, our extended NSA/CSS family, in light of the unauthorized disclosure of classified information by a former contractor employee.

NATO Handbook: Intelligence Exploitation of the Internet
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB436/docs/EBB-005.pdf
"this publication is intended primarily as a practical guide to the exploitation of an information source."

ACLU Files Lawsuit Challenging Constitutionality of NSA Spy Program
https://www.aclu.org/national-security/a...-spying-program
The NSA Surveillance Order, Explained by the ACLU
https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/nsa-surveillance-order-explained-aclu

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-...e-the-internet/
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/08/0...58361375336800/
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/09/0...60871378450800/
http://www.scribd.com/doc/150010321/Gene...-and-Mark-Udall
http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/jun/06/verizon-telephone-data-court-order
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/...rs-report-says/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/26/us-cybersecurity-nsa-alexander-idUSBRE94P06S20130526
http://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-r...lection-program
http://www.wyden.senate.gov/download/?id=3e2b2b89-83c8-4cca-bc61-7f4c13ae3ac7
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/2013062...ruth-once.shtml
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB436/docs/EBB-074.pdf
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB436/docs/EBB-094.pdf

U. S. Department of Justice
Office of the Inspector General
A Review of the Federal Bureau of
Investigations Use of Section 215
Orders for Business Records

http://www.justice.gov/oig/special/s0703a/final.pdf

Letter from Eric Holder Jr. (U.S. Attorney General) to
(Russian Minister of Justice) Alexander Konovalov re Eric Snowden.

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB436/docs/EBB-105.pdf
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#447868 - 09/21/13 11:40 PM Re: what is prism? [Re: victor-victim]
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