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#437424 - 06/08/13 12:47 PM history in the making
traveler Offline
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Registered: 02/07/06
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Loc: back in the USA
i am in Istanbul right now - seeing the protests 1st-hand.
it is amazing to be here experiencing this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22804303
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We are often troubled, but not crushed;
sometimes in doubt, but never in despair;
there are many enemies, but we are never without a friend;
and though badly hurt at times, we are not destroyed.
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#437426 - 06/08/13 12:54 PM Re: history in the making [Re: traveler]
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Registered: 09/27/03
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wow! that is awesome!
are you getting close to the action?
perhaps getting some exclusive footage?

do you think you might be in danger?
do you have your exit stategy?

really, how bad is it?
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#437582 - 06/09/13 08:46 PM Re: history in the making [Re: traveler]
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Registered: 02/26/05
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Lee,

How good that you are experiencing life and history. Does it put your recent past troubles in perspective? Or is that stuff still difficult for you and your wife to deal with?

Cant
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#437835 - 06/11/13 05:15 PM Re: history in the making [Re: traveler]
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Some of the demonstrations have been violent on each side - police using excessive force, tear gas, fire hoses, rubber bullets - even real bullets - against unarmed and generally non-violent civilians. but some of the demonstrators have thrown molotov cocktails and even used guns, too. hard to say who struck first - but the general consensus among the citizens in Istanbul is that they are the innocent parties and the government forces are the aggressors. that seemed to be true from the protests we saw - lots of marching, chanting, flag-waving, picket signs, etc - but no destruction or violence. every night at 9:00 there was 15 minutes of noise - cars honking, pots & pans banging, shouting, clapping on the streets - and many are flying and waving flags. apparently this is unusual - to have such wide-spread solidarity. but in outlying regions the religious conservatives are stronger. We walked and drove past and through several demonstrations and did not feel threatened. most of what we saw was almost a party-atmosphere - with an exhilaration that was edgy - reminded me of the barricade scenes in Les Mis and of the anti-Viet Nam war rallies of my college days. they are against the prime minister and his repressive party - not westerners. in fact the demonstrations seem to be a statement in favor of democracy and western-style freedoms and against religious dictatorship. but we did not feel it wise to do much photography - since many are nervous about government crackdowns and fear those who may be recording or documenting the action.

we have moved on now to Italy.

lee
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We are often troubled, but not crushed;
sometimes in doubt, but never in despair;
there are many enemies, but we are never without a friend;
and though badly hurt at times, we are not destroyed.
- Paul, II Cor 4:8-9

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#437871 - 06/11/13 09:55 PM Re: history in the making [Re: traveler]
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Registered: 02/25/13
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Loc: The ATL

Hi Lee. Glad to hear you're safe. Man, it is so epicly awesome that you got to see what you saw first hand though! Given the nature of the protest I would have been wanting to join in and show them my sport. (Not that I would have because I'm not sure how well a foreigner would be received in those circumstances.) That said, I'm pretty much a fervent life-long hater of theocracy or anything that smells like it, regardless of which religion it's coming from. Anyone who rages against it has my support, at least ideologically. Take care. Peace,

Ken

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