Newest Members
JayNL, Robert Barrett, lostsoul824, beatcook, MassGuy
12279 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
melnjams (42), rage (27)
Who's Online
0 registered (), 23 Guests and 4 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
12279 Members
73 Forums
63189 Topics
441846 Posts

Max Online: 418 @ 07/02/12 07:29 AM
Twitter
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >
Topic Options
#428696 - 03/22/13 01:04 PM Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25
Lancer Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 07/13/12
Posts: 901
Loc: Florida
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...queary/2009683/

Though I just shot an email to Curtis St. John (MS Media contact) and it's late to contact the producers, but not too late, I'd like to encourage a response to NBC perhaps from an MS board member or individual members:

http://www.today.com/id/29041920/ns/today/t/email-today/

Top
#428700 - 03/22/13 01:34 PM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Lancer]
Still Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/16/07
Posts: 6367
Loc: 2 NATO Nations
We have a board member who was a Penn State Asst Coach under paterno and sandusky.

I can predict the following from the interview: sandusky and NBC will use the term "sex with minors" or "sex with children" without contest to the absolute error therein (that an adult cannot have "sex" with a child...only "rape" can take place).

Where is the inclusion of a victim interview or an MS counterpoint contention?

Networks like NBC pick easy, low hanging fruit like Sandusky interview because they know a zillion slack-jawed, penn snake fans will dutifully watch and bitch about victims not really being 'victims' at all and how they fkd-up the entire school over nothing, over something they could have stopped, being ungrateful little brats who have nothing to offer society and should still be thanking penn snake, not suing them...and why didn;t those little shits report it when it happened, not 50 years later, and why didn't they do something and they probably enjoyed it and they were bread for that kind of life cuz of the ghetto they were born into, and they are nobody's ...


Edited by Still (03/22/13 01:35 PM)
_________________________
Jesus Loves The Hell Outta Me!

Still's Globs

New Video

Top
#428702 - 03/22/13 01:38 PM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Lancer]
Still Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/16/07
Posts: 6367
Loc: 2 NATO Nations
I hope sandusky begs for release from prison. I hope he cries and begs.

No one knows the extreme definition of 'begging' until they are fully under the power and control of a bigger and stronger person who will never stop what he wants...no matter how much you fucking beg!
_________________________
Jesus Loves The Hell Outta Me!

Still's Globs

New Video

Top
#428707 - 03/22/13 02:20 PM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Lancer]
Lancer Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 07/13/12
Posts: 901
Loc: Florida
@Still...except for the producers and editors, we don't know the content yet or whether they've included the victims' POV. Sooo, thought I'd give our community a li'l shove in that direction with the links ;-)

Top
#429039 - 03/25/13 07:20 AM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Lancer]
Chris Anderson Offline
Executive Director
MaleSurvivor
Registered: 04/21/12
Posts: 225
Loc: New York
A statement has been drafted and will be released upon airing of the interviews. In the meantime, please consider posting retweeting the tweets we have posted to the Today show (seen in the left column) and post the following to FB:

John Ziegler, the filmmaker who's interviews with Sandusky are slated to be aired this morning on the TODAY show said the following on his website:

"for the record, I believe the evidence indicates that McQueary did not witness an assault" (control-f and paste the quote to find the line in the pages of rambling text).

The fact of the matter is that this man is wrong. He is ignorant. And in his single-minded zeal to unearth a conspiracy that does not exist and draw attention to himself he is helping a convicted child rapist get more national exposure, re-traumatize his victims, and cause harm to many other survivors. NBC and the TODAY show are aiding and abetting his work.

I urge all of my friends, and my brothers and sisters in LOCAL ONE to make a point to tell the TODAY show that they are harming people by giving John Ziegler and Jerry Sandusky airtime.

Thanks,
Chris

Top
#429057 - 03/25/13 10:10 AM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Lancer]
Jacob S Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 01/01/13
Posts: 592
Dr. Howard Fradkin @DrHFradkin (Columbus, OH) Psychologist, Co-Chair MaleSurvivor Weekends of Recovery, Author of "Joining Forces: Empowering Male Survivors to Thrive"
Jack Mirkinson @jackmirkinson (New York, NY) HuffPost Media Editor
Christopher M. Anderson @chander2nyc (New York, NY) Executive Director At Male Survivor

on huffpost live right now. Can't access it live on my old fashioned device but looking forward to hearing it once it is archived.
_________________________
Like a spent gladiator
crawling in the colosseum dust
who can count on his remaining limbs
all the people he can trust.
Like the one who stands behind him
cheering him on
Estatic when he stands defiant,
wild with abandon when he's gone

just stay alive.
do whatever you need to.
you are worth it.

Top
#429058 - 03/25/13 10:18 AM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Lancer]
KMCINVA Offline
Greeter
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 08/31/11
Posts: 1554
If you wish to write NBC here is the link. I have sent a letter.

http://www.today.com/id/29041920/ns/today-today_participate/t/email-today/#.UVBDkBnLdv0

Top
#429073 - 03/25/13 01:07 PM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Chris Anderson]
SoccerStar Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 10/15/12
Posts: 915
Loc: New York
John Ziegler claimed to know the identity of victim # 2 - the one McQueary saw being raped in the showers. Since he never testified his identity is still secret. Ziegler hinted on several occasions that he would expose it - Matt Lauer had to cut him off. But apparently he does fully name the young man in his film. You'll also notice how he squirmed and evaded when directly asked - 4 times! - about Sandusky's guilt. Ziegler has also said the criminal case against Sandusky was "remarkably weak."

Ziegler is a tinfoil-hatted wingnut who fits well with fellow traveler Todd Akin's stance that the female body "has ways to shut down" pregnancies from rape. He's another goddamned football fan with a goddamned mancrush on goddamned Joe Paterno. And he so wants to clear Paterno's name that he asked Sandusky if it would have been possible for Paterno to know what was going on, to which Sandusky OF COURSE said "since it was just a harmless game of grab-ass and I never hurt anybody, there was nothing for Paterno to know."

Even Paterno's family is disgusted and has asked Ziegler to stop.


Matt
_________________________
My story

"Don't think it hasn't been a little slice of heaven just because it hasn't!" --Bugs Bunny

Top
#429091 - 03/25/13 03:51 PM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Lancer]
tshodson Offline


Registered: 06/13/12
Posts: 131
Here is the Huffington Post article about the ridiculous film and the Today show coverage...Ziegler and Sandusky look absurd...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/25...kusaolp00000009

Top
#429100 - 03/25/13 05:13 PM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Lancer]
Lancer Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 07/13/12
Posts: 901
Loc: Florida
@KMCINVA...thnx for the link. Shot off my own message.

It was the Sandusky verdict and victims' stories that got me here last year. fwiw, one thing I've learned is to avoid purposely triggering myself and this was one of those cases. I did NOT watch.

Top
#429101 - 03/25/13 05:36 PM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Lancer]
KMCINVA Offline
Greeter
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 08/31/11
Posts: 1554
I had been on the site for a few months before Sandusky broke and the news triggered many nights of nightmares and flashbacks. It is horrible how we feel the pain of each of the victims. I do not believe others truly understand how hearing and feeling the emotions of victims remind us of our own abuse.

I wonder if NBC will do another segment about the victims. Ziegler is unbelievable--no basis and all he is doing is trying to self promote his works at the expense of the innocent victims. NBC should have pulled this segment.

Top
#429124 - 03/25/13 10:19 PM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Lancer]
Chris Anderson Offline
Executive Director
MaleSurvivor
Registered: 04/21/12
Posts: 225
Loc: New York
Hi all,

It's been a long day. I've had conversations with a number of reporters and at one point with a producer for Anderson Cooper. Sadly it appears our voices will not be heard... yet.

I just posted this message to the MaleSurvivor FB wall, and I think it just about sums up where I'm at at this point.

"Perhaps the saddest and most outrageous lesson we have learned in this whole Ziegler debacle is that the media will anoint themselves the protector of the survivor while refusing to allow us even a moment of air time to speak for ourselves. Piers Morgan has no authority to speak for any of Sandusky's victims, victims in general, nor the Paterno family. I certainly appreciate Sara Ganim's attempt to speak up for victims, but she is not a valid representative of us either. Our pain, our stories, and the hope for healing that we can share belong to us, and it is our right to speak for ourselves.

I have reached out to producers and reporters at NBC, MSNBC, and CNN asking that survivors be given an opportunity to speak for themselves. Only one internet outlet (Huff Post Live) and one Canadian News channel (CTV) gave us the opportunity to do so. To them I am deeply grateful. And to the print reporters with whom I spoke today.

Now Ziegler has caused further harm by announcing he will "out" the name of Victim #2. One only hopes that at this point the media might now do what they should have done all along and ignore him."

Let's hope they do.

Top
#429134 - 03/26/13 12:54 AM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Lancer]
cant_remember Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/26/05
Posts: 1039
Ziegler is a serial motherfucker with a long history of being a provocative ass. Here's a backgrounder on the shit-show he caused in his Louisville media days:

http://bit.ly/13safBI

He's been arrested; he's said outrageous things to women to their faces. He appears to be a perp himself and to watch him on video (his dating show, for instance) is triggering as hell.

Sorry for the language, but fuck.

Cant
_________________________
Recovery is possible. Hang in there, brothers.

Top
#429136 - 03/26/13 01:44 AM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Chris Anderson]
crazy gecko Offline


Registered: 10/04/12
Posts: 309
Originally Posted By: Chris Anderson
Now Ziegler has caused further harm by announcing he will "out" the name of Victim #2.

Surely he's not allowed to do that? Please tell me it's illegal to out the name of a crime victim who chose to remain anonymous??!! crazy
_________________________
I guess what I'm trying to say
Is whose life is it anyway because livin'
Living is the best revenge
You can play
-- Def Leppard

My Story, Part 2

My blog

Top
#429156 - 03/26/13 09:07 AM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Lancer]
cant_remember Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/26/05
Posts: 1039
He is outing victim #2 in his doc, according to news reports.

Mother. Fucker.

Cant
_________________________
Recovery is possible. Hang in there, brothers.

Top
#429158 - 03/26/13 09:18 AM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Lancer]
KMCINVA Offline
Greeter
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 08/31/11
Posts: 1554
It is not right for Ziegler to name the victim. The victim has the right as to when or if to go public. This could cause severe emotional and psychological issues for the victim if he is not ready to face the public. Sad people do not try to understand what a csa or asa victim feels and experiences on the inside. I hope publication of the name is halted.


Edited by KMCINVA (03/26/13 10:00 AM)

Top
#429172 - 03/26/13 10:46 AM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Lancer]
SoccerStar Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 10/15/12
Posts: 915
Loc: New York
Ziegler claims V2 is the key proof of Sandusky's innocence / Paterno's innocence / EVUL LIBRUL guilt - because V2 initially said he wasn't raped, then changed his story.

Because a 10-year-old boy would trumpet that fact to the four winds upon first opportunity!

Victims at first denying anything or even falsely recanting their own stories is chapter-1 common knowledge. They are humiliated and can't stand the attention, family upheaval, and threats (in this case clearly demonstrated by the PennState "pro-rape riot").

Kidnap victim Jody Plauchet denied to everybody that the perp had raped him - denied it in the face of medical exams, denied it to his own parents, even denied it when the sperm swabs tested positive! And that was like 25 years ago!

Yet this is the smoking gun - the fear of a humiliated child - that will exonerate Almighty Football.

Between Steubenville and this I have never ever before truly understood just what terms like "rape culture" and "patriarchy" meant. Consider me sadder, wiser, and angrier.


Matt
_________________________
My story

"Don't think it hasn't been a little slice of heaven just because it hasn't!" --Bugs Bunny

Top
#429174 - 03/26/13 11:04 AM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Lancer]
tshodson Offline


Registered: 06/13/12
Posts: 131
It is not illegal to release the name of a victim or survivor but it is considered highly unethical in the mainstream media world.

This is a case where legality and ethics do not merge...

Top
#429190 - 03/26/13 01:49 PM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Lancer]
Hereagain Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 06/01/11
Posts: 36
Below is the brilliant sports writer Dave Zirin talking about why NBC and the TODAY Show was wrong to do this interview. Check it out.


http://current.com/shows/viewpoint/video...sky-a-platform/

Top
#429305 - 03/27/13 01:48 PM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Lancer]
SoccerStar Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 10/15/12
Posts: 915
Loc: New York
Jesus Christ, it's a thousand times worse than I'd thought.

First: Ziegler has now outed, past tense, V2. He claims his website was hacked. I will not provide a link.

Second: He has serious fans and followers for doing this. Being a fucking "Penn State Truther" is apparently a real thing. People gather to spout their wackaloon theories about how not only Paterno but maybe even Sandusky himself were innocent victims of the LIBRUL media conspiracy. They've gone so far as geometrically calculating the line-of-sight angles in scale models of the locker room to "prove" that a man of McQueary's height couldn't have seen something as short as a 10yo boy bent over. It's like their goddamned Zapruder film.

Fury triggers below:
http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2013/01/29/penn-state-truthers-defend-joe-paterno

Originally Posted By: John Ziegler
"My only thought on the victims - I can't stand, every time I do a media appearance you almost have to spend the first 30 seconds saying 'Sandusky's guilty, I'm sorry about the victims,' and all that business, which is political correctness run amok."



And to think, the universe is just full of meteors whizzing around and not hitting anything.... what a waste.


Matt
_________________________
My story

"Don't think it hasn't been a little slice of heaven just because it hasn't!" --Bugs Bunny

Top
#429312 - 03/27/13 03:16 PM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Lancer]
cant_remember Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/26/05
Posts: 1039

On Twitter, the motherfucker is RT'ing all the appropriate rage that others tweet at him... as if he enjoys, relishes, others' anger towards him.

There's only a handful of appropriate solutions for people like this.

Cant
_________________________
Recovery is possible. Hang in there, brothers.

Top
#429654 - 03/31/13 08:21 PM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Lancer]
unhappycamper Offline


Registered: 10/21/11
Posts: 589
Loc: VA
Sandusky's incoherent babbling still follows the ruts of attempted self-justification. E.g., like a typical child molester, he actually blames the kids' trauma on "publicity" (everyone but himself):

>> "I speak today with hope in my heart for a brighter day, not knowing if that day will come," Sandusky said in October. "Many moments have been spent looking for a purpose. Maybe it will help others, some vulnerable children who might have been abused, might not be, as a result of the publicity." <<

John

Top
#430243 - 04/05/13 03:48 PM Re: Sandusky on "Today" (U.S.) Monday 03/25 [Re: Lancer]
bodyguard8367 Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 05/16/12
Posts: 1159
Loc: ""
""


Edited by bodyguard8367 (02/26/14 10:08 PM)

Top
#431030 - 04/12/13 02:58 PM * [Re: Lancer]
Smalltown80sBoy Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 03/25/12
Posts: 2217
*


Edited by Smalltown80sBoy (04/29/13 02:21 PM)

Top
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >


Moderator:  Chase Eric, ModTeam 

I agree that my access and use of the MaleSurvivor discussion forums and chat room is subject to the terms of this Agreement. AND the sole discretion of MaleSurvivor.
I agree that my use of MaleSurvivor resources are AT-WILL, and that my posting privileges may be terminated at any time, and for any reason by MaleSurvivor.