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#427122 - 03/04/13 07:48 PM Re: I have found the cure for my mental issues [Re: jasondoe101]
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I took Oxycodone after having surgery to repair broken bones in my face. It was nice but I wound up giving the rest of it away before the bottle was finished. The reason, I liked it way to much! I don't need any more addictions and my extremely addictive personality was taking to that shit like a fish to water.

Believe me when I say that I'm the last person you're going to get any "Nancy Reagan crap" from. I like to get good and effed up as much as anyone out there. I drink every day, drink A LOT on the weekend, smoke pot occasionally and have a very Libertarian attitude about drugs in general. It just seems to me that if you're going to be addicted to something to self-medicate, it's probably better that it's something you can work into your life and still be able to function. For example, I drink every day but I don't do it until I get home from work and know I don't have to drive anywhere else. Also, on work nights, I only let myself drink an amount that I know will not keep me from being able to get up and go when I need to the next day. Having taken Oxy myself, I can't imagine how anyone could take that shit all day, every day and still function. Maybe they could, but I don't see it.

Another thing I feel like I need to bring up is your calling Oxy a "cure" for your mental problems. It's not a "cure". At best it's a "treatment" and probably not a very productive one, I would think. Even things like Prozac that are prescribed by doctors aren't a cure. A cure means something is totally gone for good and requires no further treatment or medical intervention of any kind. A treatment just temporarily relieves a symptom or keeps a disease in check. Maybe I'm being to semantic with that but I just felt I needed to point it out.

On a side note, for some reason your "Nancy Reagan" comment made me think back to the 6th grade when we had this big anti-drug presentation at our school. It was 1986. First they made us watch a video in which a bunch of teenagers did a song and dance number called "Say Nope To Dope." It was the most retarded thing I've ever seen in my life. Then they made all the kids in the school sign a big banner that was sent to the White House and by signing that banner we were making a pledge to Nancy Reagan that we would never do drugs.

Sorry Nancy. cool

Ken


Edited by BraveFalcon (03/04/13 08:09 PM)

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#427125 - 03/04/13 08:24 PM Re: I have found the cure for my mental issues [Re: jasondoe101]
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jasondoe101,

Dude, you must be pulling our chain or trying to commit suicide on the installment plan.
Quote:
Oxycodone.
I recently took some and DAYUM. All of a sudden I did not have depression. It felt like I was radiating with love. If I felt that way all the time, then I would be cured. And please save your Nancy Reagan 'Just Say No' talking points. I have complete control and discipline over what drugs I take.


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LOL!
Is it any worse than smoking or drinking?

I have spent the last five years and thousands of dollars trying to help my nephew get clean from an opiate addiction. He has lost his wife, kids, house, job, truck, friends, family, self-respect, the respect of others, and everything else except the clothes on his back because there was nothing more important than trying to recapture that initial feeling of false joy and happiness. It started as a 30 day prescription (Oxycontin) for a back injury. He too is a survivor and has been dealing with the anger associated with that and other issues since he was a young boy. Praise the Lord he has been in a 6 month rehab program (voluntary, he checked himself in) and has been clean and sober since October 5, 2012. He is once again the young man I have known and loved all my life. On a side note, I am in Georgia, USA and the program is called Bridges of Hope. If anyone has a need they can Google it. The program and my nephew's determination to stay clean this time has probably saved his life.

I said all that to say this--yes you have complete control and discipline over what drugs you take. Once, twice, three times, who knows? But I can give you a 100% money-back guarantee that the drugs will win in the end. Think of it as a casino in Las Vegas. The odds are in the casino's favor. In the long run they never, ever, ever lose.

I wish you well jasondoe. I have read your other posts and am familiar with your suicide attempts. We here on MS have all been where you are now. But if you think that Oxycodone is the answer you are unfortunately, very sadly and badly mistaken. You have just entered Dante's first level of Hell.

The choice is yours.

Dude.






Edited by thedudeabides (03/04/13 09:06 PM)
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#427130 - 03/04/13 09:06 PM Re: I have found the cure for my mental issues [Re: Life's A Dream]
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Originally Posted By: Life's A Dream
First off: DO NOT STOP TAKING IT ON YOUR OWN. Ask a doctor to taper you off if you ever do want to get off. Some people need it, and it can be a real lifesaver, so don't misunderstand. Sorry if that scared you. A certain percentage of people experience longlasting withdrawals. I went off mine for 10 days with only very mild symptoms, and rebound anxiety, but was only on it for 3 months. I'm back on it now. It's nothing to be ashamed of to be on it, and getting back off of it is nothing to play around with- only taper off with a physician's help. If it's helping you right now, cloudy, maybe it's best that you stay on it.


Thanks for the advice! Hopefully I won't be someone who has long lasting withdrawals or something. But for now anyways, yeah I'm gonna keep taking it.
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#427159 - 03/05/13 12:55 AM Re: I have found the cure for my mental issues [Re: CloudyFalls]
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Originally Posted By: CloudyFalls
I hope I don't get addicted, as I've picked up smoking again... and taking a bit more than I'm supposed to of klonopin is tempting.

Just a question, have you experianced the withdrawal from klonopin or have you not stopped taking it before?

Klonopin = Benzo.
If you've been taking it for a while, it's pretty much guaranteed that you have already developed physical dependence on it. But IMO that isn't the same thing as addiction. To be addicted you also have to be psychologically dependent. But that is debatable.

Benzo withdrawal is pure hell, besides being one of the few withdrawals that can actually kill you. I've experience full-on Benzo withdrawal once. It's definitely worse than heroin. Let's just say I don't remember much between when the convulsions started and waking up in hospital several days later. And I don't want to remember the hours before the convulsions started. Thank God someone found me and got me medical help, or I wouldn't be here. And then there's that sneaking little think called PAWS. I won't bore you with a list of symptoms, lets just say it took months before I felt human again.

So here's my advice - DON'T stop taking it - let your doctor help you taper.

DON'T drink while on it. At all. Alcohol and Benzos are a terrible combination. And don't even consider mixing it with narcotics.

Don't even THINK about taking more than you doctor prescribed. What you have there is some seriously hard-core shit. Don't mess with it. Frankly, I'm surprised it's so common and so easily prescribed!
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#427161 - 03/05/13 01:00 AM Re: I have found the cure for my mental issues [Re: Life's A Dream]
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Originally Posted By: Life's A Dream
P.S. stay the HELL away from coke, heroine and meth.

Meh, not much difference between Oxy and heroin, in my experience, except heroin has a more intense high (unless <OK. Sensor. It just occurred to me that someone might actually read what I wrote here and try it>) and less reliable purity. Risks, detox and addition potential is pretty much the same...

Hence "Hillbilly Heroin".


Edited by crazy gecko (03/05/13 01:08 AM)
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#427163 - 03/05/13 01:19 AM Just Say Know! [Re: jasondoe101]
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It is true everything everyone else has said thus far is true about addiction, withdrawal, and the consequences of both. However, what you say is true as well. My own experience was with alcohol. Just as with many of us here it provided me with some semblance of normality, confidence, and connection. Although this did not last it was something else now wasn't it?

I am curious what else you have tried to combat your depression in the past? There are alternatives (therapy, exercise, meditation, healthy hobbies, etc.) to pharmaceuticals available, which can temporarily relieve depression. A couple distinctions are the lack of withdrawal symptoms and the compounding effect over time that healthy habits generate. Most importantly, while gaining some reprieve you also enable yourself to pursue a recovery whose long term and lasting benefits cannot be understated.

Of course, you have heard this all before so let me just ask what led you to this decision or if it was even a decision at all? If you are sharing your first experience with Oxy or venting frustration glad to hear it and as you can see from comments we are all right there with you as far as wanting that magic pill.
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#427209 - 03/05/13 02:53 PM Re: I have found the cure for my mental issues [Re: crazy gecko]
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Originally Posted By: crazy gecko
Klonopin = Benzo.
If you've been taking it for a while, it's pretty much guaranteed that you have already developed physical dependence on it. But IMO that isn't the same thing as addiction. To be addicted you also have to be psychologically dependent. But that is debatable.

Benzo withdrawal is pure hell, besides being one of the few withdrawals that can actually kill you. I've experience full-on Benzo withdrawal once. It's definitely worse than heroin. Let's just say I don't remember much between when the convulsions started and waking up in hospital several days later. And I don't want to remember the hours before the convulsions started. Thank God someone found me and got me medical help, or I wouldn't be here. And then there's that sneaking little think called PAWS. I won't bore you with a list of symptoms, lets just say it took months before I felt human again.

So here's my advice - DON'T stop taking it - let your doctor help you taper.

DON'T drink while on it. At all. Alcohol and Benzos are a terrible combination. And don't even consider mixing it with narcotics.

Don't even THINK about taking more than you doctor prescribed. What you have there is some seriously hard-core shit. Don't mess with it. Frankly, I'm surprised it's so common and so easily prescribed!


I thought klonopin only doubled the effect of alcohol, I didn't know it was dangerous, why exactly is it a dangerous combination if you know how you hold your alcohol and measure in that you've taken a klonopin and proceed with caution? Is there something else I wasn't told? (To note, I really rarely drink alcohol anyways, but because I can really hold my liquor I sometimes take a klonopin to save money trying to get the effects I want from the alcohol.)

Also, taking more than prescribed, well I said it's tempting, and yeah it is, but it's kind of a blurry line for me. I take .5mg in the morning and 1.0mg before bed, but I'm allow to take up to 3 during the day, I don't know if I can take them all at once or what. If I'm feeling like I really need it, I'll just take all 3 (1.5mg) in the middle of the day so it doesn't overlap with my morning or nightly doses, or I'll take it if I have a social event that will cause me great anxiety. but usually I take 1-2 at a time when needed.

Really I should probably be talking to my psych about it, but if you guys have some experience with benzos, that is definitely worth hearing as well.

And yes, I would never go off my meds without tapering off, I tried that once with seroquel and that got me puking and all sorts of shit, that was bad enough, and hell I wasn't even warned! So I learned from experience on that one, I also learned I gotta be REAAAL protective of my self when if comes to psychs, I gotta ask as many questions as I can, cause they don't always tell you what you need to know about the drugs unless you ask. Yeah I also understand the difference between physical dependance and addiction, lucky me lol. Funny, this information isn't exactly given to you all the time, I had to find this stuff out myself a lot of the times.

Originally Posted By: crazy gecko
Originally Posted By: Life's A Dream
P.S. stay the HELL away from coke, heroine and meth.

Meh, not much difference between Oxy and heroin, in my experience, except heroin has a more intense high (unless <OK. Sensor. It just occurred to me that someone might actually read what I wrote here and try it>) and less reliable purity. Risks, detox and addition potential is pretty much the same...

Hence "Hillbilly Heroin".


Heroin ruined my family, it ruined my brother, and it ruined his brain. Now he's a shadow of who he was and he'll never be the same. If you though dying from an overdose was bad, try living while being dead, and having a brother who's alive but dead at the same time. To be more specific, I actually think it's a bad batch of crystal meth that ruined his brain, but still heroin ruined my family and my brother's life even before that.


Edited by CloudyFalls (03/05/13 02:57 PM)
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#427220 - 03/05/13 08:04 PM Re: I have found the cure for my mental issues [Re: jasondoe101]
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Sorry so many of you can't handle the good shit. I can. I am not addicted to anything. I take oxy on the weekends. I have no issues with withdrawal. If anything, it has helped me immensely. It had given me ideas that have helped me progress in life. The difference between you and me is that I respect and appreciate drugs.

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#427226 - 03/05/13 09:08 PM Re: I have found the cure for my mental issues [Re: jasondoe101]
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Ok dude. If you really think you can pull it off, I'm not going to tell you you're wrong. It's just that when you called it a "cure for your mental issues", I figured you meant you were going to be taking it night and day, all day, every day. Otherwise, it wouldn't be much of a "cure" and still isn't.

Do your mental issues only affect you on the weekend? I'm not picking on you when I ask that, I'm just trying to explain where I was coming from in my initial reply to you. Like I said the first time, and perhaps I'm again being to semantic, but a cure is a cure, a treatment is a treatment and an escape is an escape. What you're describing is an escape, not a cure and not even a treatment. I'm not being judgmental or a Nancy Reagan when I say any of that because I'm not above using substances to escape from personal demons or to take the edge off of anxiety myself. In fact, in the right situation and if I were in the right frame of mind, I would probably even pop an Oxy again myself if somebody offered me one. However, no matter how good it made me feel, no matter how good booze can make me feel, no matter how good a little weed can make me feel, it isn't a "cure" for anything. That's all I'm trying to say. Peace.

Ken


Edited by BraveFalcon (03/05/13 09:09 PM)

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#427230 - 03/05/13 10:23 PM Re: I have found the cure for my mental issues [Re: jasondoe101]
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Registered: 10/09/12
Posts: 27
Loc: Augusta, Georgia
Quote:
Sorry so many of you can't handle the good shit. I can. I am not addicted to anything. I take oxy on the weekends. I have no issues with withdrawal. If anything, it has helped me immensely. It had given me ideas that have helped me progress in life. The difference between you and me is that I respect and appreciate drugs.


jasondoe,
Let me say what it seems no one else wants to.
Yep, you're right. We're all a bunch of ignorant old bastards who don't know shit compared to you. We have a respect and appreciation for drugs also. It's because we have so many friends and family who are either incarcerated, institutionalized or dead because of their addiction that started out as recreational pharmaceutical use. I'd love to know how you developed your "respect and appreciation" for drugs.
If that is your attitude and belief, you are ignorant, arrogant, and you are dead already. You may as well pull the trigger and spare your family the years of heartache and pain.

Hope you like the sex because you are totally fucked.

With deepest sympathy,

Dude.



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Some bright-eyed and crazy, some frightened and lost...
And strung out behind us the banners and flags
of our possible pasts lie in tatters and rags.
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