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#424492 - 02/06/13 07:26 AM Insomnia...
crazy gecko Offline


Registered: 10/04/12
Posts: 309
Anyone has any ideas on how to combat insomnia, that doesn't involve meds?

I don't think I've had more than about 3 three hours sleep a night for weeks, and it's really starting to affect me severely. I'm pretty sure that a large chunk on my current depression is due to simply being over-tired, and then there is that out-of-it, drifting-through-life feeling... also largely due to sleep deprivation, I'm sure.

I can't take sleep meds, other than Melatonin, and Melatonin has failed to help lately.
I'm doing lots of exercise, but not too soon before going to bed.
I've tried meditation, but it seems to just open the gate for flashbacks...

Any ideas?

Edit to add - after posting, I now realise this should have been in "Off Topic"... Mods, feel free to move if you want...


Edited by crazy gecko (02/06/13 07:27 AM)
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#424515 - 02/06/13 02:10 PM Re: Insomnia... [Re: crazy gecko]
Candu Offline


Registered: 06/30/12
Posts: 312
Loc: Canada
I don't consider it off topic. I also have sleep problems and while I don't think that it is directly related (in my case) is sure is indirectly related.

Have you tried a hot bath? Soak in the tub for a while.

Consider what is screwing with your head. What is on your mind when you can't sleep. I will wake up and then I start to thinking about all kind of stuff that is going one in my life. Round and round and I have a hard time stopping.

I listen to classical music radio station but at a low enough level that I almost can't hear it. Enough to hold my attention rather than the other shit. And at some point I can't hold it anymore and I fall asleep. Sometimes works. (Commercial free is best.)

I was fighting a legal battel with a government department for a number of years. Reading legal decisions and legal texts would put me to sleep.

Try wearing socks to bed. If your feet are warm (not hot) it can help.

My doctor said I should try going out for a walk before bed time. Not as execise. You don't want to get worked up. Too f*cK'n cold outside for me so I haven't tried it.

I do an hour on the treadmill every day in the winter. (biking to/from work in the rest of the year) For general health reasons. I don't know if it helps but I don't want to stop to test it.

I have had sleep problems for years. It really makes a mess of you.

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#424517 - 02/06/13 02:40 PM Re: Insomnia... [Re: crazy gecko]
Farmer Boy Offline
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Registered: 08/23/12
Posts: 442
Loc: Australia
Gecko

I don't think it is off topic either. I know that CSA is causing my sleep problems. I have been having about 4 hours sleep a night for a week. Since I went off all my meds. I feel 'happier' in my awake times but I am so so tired it is hard to focus and is getting me down. I nearly ran off the road half a dozen times yesterday.

I decides to try natural/herbal thing for a while. It seems to be working. But still I find myself putting off going to bed becasue I want to be exhausted and am a bit scared of the nightmares/flahbacks/body flinches etc.

The stuff I'm taking is a blend of:
Lactium
Zizyphus
Hops

Don't have anything else helpful to say.

Lee
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#424526 - 02/06/13 05:05 PM . [Re: crazy gecko]
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Registered: 08/25/11
Posts: 886
Loc: Bouvet Island
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Edited by Life's A Dream (04/21/13 10:29 PM)

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#424576 - 02/07/13 03:24 AM Re: Insomnia... [Re: crazy gecko]
crazy gecko Offline


Registered: 10/04/12
Posts: 309
Thanks guys smile

Quote:
Consider what is screwing with your head. What is on your mind when you can't sleep.

How much time do you have? I guess there is just too much happening - all at once. Yes, it is largely CSA related. I've been getting a lot of nightmare. Or rather, the same 2 or 3 nightmares over and over. Yes, I've spoken to my T about them. I still get them. And I've started having flashback just when I'm falling asleep. Of events that I never remembered before. I'd post about it but I can't yet. When I can't sleep I journal. Probably the wrong thing because it keeps the horrors fresh in my mind so it keeps me awake longer. I tried listening to some music last night instead - heavy classics - Mahler - not my usually taste, but I find it full of emotion and I can get involved enough in it that my mind doesn't wonder. Ended up getting about 3 hours sleep, which is good compared to the last few nights but even so, I feel even more tired.

Truth is I've had sleep issues for many years... basically since I got off drugs. But it usually isn't this bad, this consistently. Anyway, I'm hoping to get a script for some antidepressants that *MAY* help before the end of today. Of course, I'll have to wait a few days for it to take effect, but if all goes well I should be able to get some descent sleep by next week. Phew. Perhaps then I'll be able to focus on recovery again...
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#424581 - 02/07/13 03:45 AM . [Re: crazy gecko]
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Edited by Life's A Dream (04/21/13 10:30 PM)

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#424588 - 02/07/13 06:08 AM Re: Insomnia... [Re: crazy gecko]
crazy gecko Offline


Registered: 10/04/12
Posts: 309
So the answer is no.

The only anti-depressants that are safe for me, are the ones that are more likely to agravate insomnia than help me sleep.

FUck my life.

T can me Remeron that worked before, but there's a small but real chance it could be really dangerous. Like making-my-daughter-an-orphan dangerous. Honestly, I'd do it if it was just me, I don't really care much if I live or die anymore, but she's only 6 and she doesn't have a mom...

Now my T is sying another option is to have me admitted to a clinic and knock me out with something for a few days where I can be monitored 2/47, with all the relevant specialists on standby. I'll leave less tired but it won't solve the problem and I'll be back where I am pretty soon.

Seriously. I burst into tears when she told me. Im that pathetic now. I'm so fucking tired I swear I'm starting to haulcinate. I'm scared to drive. Scared for my daughter because I'm in no state to look after a kid. I'm useless at work.

I. HAVE. TO. SLEEP!!!!

Sorry. Just venting. Keep your tips coming - I'll try them all. Not much else I can do.
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#424589 - 02/07/13 06:21 AM Re: Insomnia... [Re: crazy gecko]
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Hang on Gecko,
option with going to clinic sounds good comparing to taking Remeron if risk is so high. You'll get needed sleep and rest there and you could feel much better later.
One my friend done it couple of times during some intensive recovery from some stressful and abusive situations and he always came back much calmer.

Must be very difficult for you at the moment, you need some solution quickly frown

(((Gecko)))
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#424592 - 02/07/13 07:09 AM Re: Insomnia... [Re: crazy gecko]
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Registered: 01/03/13
Posts: 106
Loc: Ontario
I like listening to Hemi-Sync music. Check out this explanation...

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Those observations led to some remarkable findings dealing with the very nature of human consciousness. Researchers learned specific sounds could be blended and sequenced to gently lead the brain to various states ranging from deep relaxation or sleep to expanded states of awareness and other "extraordinary" states. This compelling research became the foundation of a noninvasive and easy-to-use audio-guidance technology known as Hemi-SyncŪ.

The audio-guidance process works through the generation of complex, multilayered audio signals, which act together to create a resonance that is reflected in unique brain wave forms characteristic of specific states of consciousness. The result is a focused, whole-brain state known as hemispheric synchronization, or Hemi-SyncŪ, where the left and right hemispheres are working together in a state of coherence. Different Hemi-SyncŪ signals are used to facilitate deep relaxation, focused attention or other desired states. As an analogy, lasers produce focused, coherent light. Hemi-SyncŪ produces a focused, coherent mind, which is an optimal condition for improving human performance.

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#424593 - 02/07/13 07:10 AM Re: Insomnia... [Re: crazy gecko]
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Registered: 11/27/12
Posts: 134
Loc: Washington State
I have used light therapy with Circadian Rhythm problems. I have had amazing results getting thing back on track. I can't say for shure if it will work for you but it may be worth a try at this point. I get realy out of wack in the winter. This has given me amasing results in the past. Take the test on the second link. You put in an email address for the results. They dont sell your email or spam you. You answer a hand full of question about where you are with your sleep patterns and what time you want to wake up. The goLITE is small easy to use and full of the right science. I got mine at cosco years ago for $120. The light is a powerful blue LED of a spectrum that is the part of natural light that signals the brain to reset the internal clock. Regular lights won't work. The strange thing is that depending on how you are currently sleeping or not sleeping the time and the duration you use the light changes and is set up to get thing back on track. You need to follow the light schedule as it progresses over a number of days. How you answer the questions will produce a compleatly difrent schedule for the reset process.

I hope you find a solution soon. Keep trying and don't give up.


Light therapy

The Philips goLITE BLU

http://www.usa.philips.com/c/light-therapy/11625/cat/en/#/cp_tab1

Circadian Rhythm Test

http://www.usa.philips.com/c/circadian/178345/cat/

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