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#423501 - 01/28/13 09:25 PM Law Enforcement
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Maybe someone further along in this process can tell me if it is typical for law enforcement/investigators to lack understanding about male sex abuse victims and to lack aggressiveness in investigating and/or attempting to prosecute these cases.
I'm feeling like so many victims have to be retraumatized by the lack of interest shown by the police.
I experienced this today with my nephew and the police and not only was it surreal, but it was devastating.

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#423513 - 01/28/13 10:53 PM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: sdc]
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sdc,

So sorry to hear this. I knew this would happen which is why I sent you a pm in order to try and help you. I have been through this 3.5 years, and I have helped other mothers in the UK, USA, Canada, France, Belgium, in fact the whole of Western Europe, Australia, New Caledonia (French colony in the Pacific) etc - there seems to be a template in all these places - the investigations are a joke. It is not a mistake. That is the usual template. They ignore/minise evidence or waste time until the evidence has been gotten rid of by the named perp, and then they turn around and tell the victim and the family there is 'insufficient evidence' to proceed to a prosecution. This is standard. If you actually find a Police force that did a thorough investigation, it is extremely rare, and when they happen they are usually with regards to non-familial paedophiles. The reasons are too long for me to go into here. In any case, it does not help. What you need is practical help to ensure the investigation succeeds. And your sister and her kids are safe. You need to know and warn your sister with respect to her daughter (the niece you mentioned), if she is this man's biological daughter, or named as a child of the family even if she is not his biological daughter subject to your jurisdiction - you need to start making safety plans now. Usually if the investigation does not lead to a prosecution and conviction, he will take your sister to family court for custody of or access to your niece if she is his daughter or a child of the family - and that is where things will start to get really really bad. This stage you are in now, is the beginning, and the easy stage. So it is crucial you make sure they get it right at this stage because if they don't, it will get worse. I am sorry, I wish there was a better way to say this, but there isn't. I am living through the hell right now. And I do not wish this on my worst enemy. I will be more than happy to point you in the right direction so that you and your sister avoid the mistakes I made in trusting the authorities to do their jobs and protect my children. You do not need the agony that will ensue if he is not prosecuted.

You are at a stage now, where you still have some level of control. In the family court, abusive men rule. Evidence is ignored and the abused are forced back into the hands of their abusers. Have you ever heard of Parental Alienation Syndrome by Richard Gardner? That is the familial paedophile's favoured defence in family courts all across the western hemisphere. Google all about it and get yourself armed.

If you need help and pointers as to what to do whilst the investigation is still early, I suggest you respond to my pm so that I can guide you in as much way as possible. If you choose not to, I will respect your decision.

I wish you and your family the best of luck.

A Loving Mum.
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#423554 - 01/29/13 09:56 AM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: sdc]
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Yesterday, my nephew did a recorded call with the perpetrator. I went with him for support. I thought the call went well. The perp never denied anything, however he did not openly admit anything. Yet, there was a clear implied understanding during the conversation. He asked if my nephew had gone to the police....who asks that without any reason to ask ? He gave my nephew his new cell number. He said many times they shouldn't talk on the phone. He told him to come to his work so they could talk in person and get a "plan".
The detective says he doesn't know if he as the "man power" to set up an in person wire tap. Then abruptly said, "if we don't get more on him, this case is closed". It was devastating for us and even more so for my nephew. I do not understand the response of the police.

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#423569 - 01/29/13 10:41 AM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: sdc]
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Originally Posted By: sdc
Maybe someone further along in this process can tell me if it is typical for law enforcement/investigators to lack understanding about male sex abuse victims and to lack aggressiveness in investigating and/or attempting to prosecute these cases.
I'm feeling like so many victims have to be retraumatized by the lack of interest shown by the police.
I experienced this today with my nephew and the police and not only was it surreal, but it was devastating.


YES! Its VERY typical! There are ways to help and change things for you and your nephew. I'm going to PM some questions for you.
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#423581 - 01/29/13 11:05 AM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: Still]
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This may be a long shot but you said you had a photo:

The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children (NCMEC) is dedicated to creating public awareness of the mental and physical harm child sexual exploitation causes to child victims, families, and society. NCMEC’s Office of Legal Counsel staff can assist with presentations to schools, town meetings, and other public forums regarding the investigation, prosecution, and prevention of child pornography and sexual exploitation.

Please contact NCMEC’s Office of Legal Counsel at 1-703-224-2150, ext. 6483 for assistance.

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#423582 - 01/29/13 11:06 AM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: sdc]
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I suddenly feel like I need to lobby for change ! Thankfully, I am able to advocate for my family...but not all have the ability to do that. Many families would be told there was nothing more they can do and they would just accept that as truth.

I firmly believe this male detective does NOT understand how a teenage boy could be sexually abused uncontested....I believe that will all my heart.

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#423583 - 01/29/13 11:08 AM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: sugarbaby]
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It may be a long shot, but I am willing to do it. I am willing to entertain and research every single idea that is given to me. I will not give up...nor will I be bullied by this police department.

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#423611 - 01/29/13 03:03 PM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: sdc]
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I realized today that I have to push forward by any means necessary...if there is a resource in front of me, I will use it, not fear it.

I did take the advice of sugarbaby and I filed a cybertip @ Project Safe Childhood through the Missing and Exploited Children's Cybertip Line. They will only take tips regarding nonfamilial sex abuse/exploitation, so I gave them the information regarding the images found on the perp's computer...it may result in nothing, but at least I know I sent them the information.

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#423661 - 01/29/13 10:38 PM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: sdc]
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Originally Posted By: sdc
I did take the advice of sugarbaby and I filed a cybertip @ Project Safe Childhood through the Missing and Exploited Children's Cybertip Line. They will only take tips regarding nonfamilial sex abuse/exploitation
.

You cannot rely on them then. Familial child sexual abuse form more about 80% of all child sexual abuse - yet they are not interested, but will only pursue stranger danger or non-familial abuse. What sort of message is a paedophile supposed to infer from that?
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#423718 - 01/30/13 08:57 AM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: sdc]
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SDC - Did they refer you to anyone else?


Edited by sugarbaby (01/30/13 08:58 AM)

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#423726 - 01/30/13 09:36 AM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: sdc]
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They did not refer me to anyone else. The tip is made via an electronic form....

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#423787 - 01/30/13 06:03 PM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: sdc]
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I talked to them once. I don't know who called who.

I had gotten some emails about underage porn and although I never clicked the link I started doing the tips on their site and giving them all the header information and such so they could track it.

Whoever I talked to was very helpful and said to me "wow - most people wouldn't bother to go this far to report it" .....I felt like saying - honey, if I knew where they were and had a bat I wouldn't be on the phone with you. smile

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#423875 - 01/31/13 02:19 PM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: sugarbaby]
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Originally Posted By: sugarbaby
.....I felt like saying - honey, if I knew where they were and had a bat I wouldn't be on the phone with you. smile


Marry me!


Note: Male Survivor, KickFlip Ent., Interpol and the FBI in no way intend to create a hostile inference or set of inferences that condone, seem to condone or otherwise sanction citizen proactive action on or at any said violator or potential violators of Child pornography creators or distributors within the jurisdictional reach of Interpol, The FBI and/or local & state law enforcement entities. Proposed and seemingly edndorced use of a sporting device in order to super-judicially rectify a criminal wrong is, in this case, positioned rhetorically and as humor. It should be known to all authorities that The FBI and Interpol have no official “sense of humor.”


Edited by Still (01/31/13 02:29 PM)
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#423913 - 01/31/13 07:41 PM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: sdc]
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No arrest today frown the detectives spoke with the prosecutor who said, go to his work and try to bring him in for questioning....why the prosecutor made this decision I do not know! They went to his work and he of course refused to go with them. He was made to turn over his electronics. He gave them his IPhone and IPad, but said his laptop broke and he didn't have it. The detectives searched his entire workplace. They then went to his grandparents house and searched the entire house...came up empty.
Apparently now they will be indicting him sometime next week and presenting to the grand jury. Why he couldn't be arrested, I have no idea....but we are now back to holding our breath.

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#423922 - 01/31/13 09:02 PM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: sdc]
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There's nothing discouraging here. They do not want to go to the "arrest stage" without arrest-able elements.

The prosecutor's order and level of involvement are likewise encouraging. The laptop will likely emerge as well.

This scumbag knows his days are numbered.
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#423966 - 02/01/13 08:46 AM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: Still]
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Quote:
Marry me!


Note: Male Survivor, KickFlip Ent., Interpol and the FBI in no way intend to create a hostile inference or set of inferences that condone, seem to condone or otherwise sanction citizen proactive action on or at any said violator or potential violators of Child pornography creators or distributors within the jurisdictional reach of Interpol, The FBI and/or local & state law enforcement entities. Proposed and seemingly edndorced use of a sporting device in order to super-judicially rectify a criminal wrong is, in this case, positioned rhetorically and as humor. It should be known to all authorities that The FBI and Interpol have no official “sense of humor.”


LOL!

Quote:
He gave them his IPhone and IPad, but said his laptop broke and he didn't have it.


Email? On-line accounts?


Edited by sugarbaby (02/01/13 08:48 AM)

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#423972 - 02/01/13 09:29 AM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: sdc]
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@Still - What are "arrest able" elements ? I can't imagine they don't have cause to arrest him now...but nonetheless I do not want anything messed up, so I will remain patient.

Perhaps someone who is much more savvy regarding technology can help me with regards to the laptop....If they do not recover the laptop...Can they still retrieve messages from his various email accounts ? When you do not have the actual device, what information can you NEVER get ?

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#424004 - 02/01/13 03:46 PM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: sdc]
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Everything (as in everything) that takes place on the internet today is recorded and traceable. That is, the FBI and properly empowered local police can access the federal database that captures EVERYTHING.

Emails are particularly easy. You don't even need to go through the feds. you can get those directly from the ISP and/or the web-based email company. They have entire crews who respond to warrants.

If he downloaded porn, it is traceable. If he uploaded files to others, it is traceable. what the actual files are may not be identifiable, except for the porn he would have downloaded to his own PC. The FBI is quite adept at this, and some locals have been trained. My local CAC hold those classes for law enforcement.
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#424005 - 02/01/13 03:56 PM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: sdc]
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Yahoo is saying otherwise....

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#424006 - 02/01/13 04:01 PM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: sdc]
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I know that my local muni divorce court got every email the "other side" wanted. If the police have the warrant, they ought to be able to get it.
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#424008 - 02/01/13 04:04 PM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: sdc]
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These can be usefull too...especially if you initiate from an IP address where he registered his account.

http://www.softwaregeek.com/webmail-recovery-password/p1.html

But either way, the cops are not going to let him slip. If they have engaged this case, they really won't want to be out-witted by a sleeve-ball.


Edited by Still (02/01/13 04:04 PM)
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#424077 - 02/02/13 04:13 PM Re: Law Enforcement [Re: sdc]
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Pretty much everything is traceable. ICE has a division that deals with cyber crimes. If your local PD doesn't it is probably another time where you need to go up an organization and get some help via a Cyber Crimes Unit somewhere.

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