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#421317 - 01/06/13 11:00 PM Re: Johnny Gosch doc on MSNBC [Re: cant_remember]
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Edited by lapchinj (03/16/13 09:19 PM)
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#421331 - 01/07/13 12:30 AM Re: Johnny Gosch doc on MSNBC [Re: cant_remember]
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Jeff - you are so very welcome.

i wish i could do more.

it just makes me cry to think of a hurting kid using the tips he got for being violated and tortured to comfort himself with something so normal and innocent as ice cream.

so have another one on me - and get a double side order of healing to go!

Lee
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#421362 - 01/07/13 07:13 AM Re: Johnny Gosch doc on MSNBC [Re: cant_remember]
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Edited by lapchinj (03/16/13 09:20 PM)
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#421377 - 01/07/13 09:37 AM Re: Johnny Gosch doc on MSNBC [Re: cant_remember]
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#421397 - 01/07/13 02:06 PM Re: Johnny Gosch doc on MSNBC [Re: cant_remember]
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Edited by lapchinj (03/16/13 09:20 PM)
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#422240 - 01/16/13 12:59 PM Re: Johnny Gosch doc on MSNBC [Re: lapchinj]
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I just stumbled upon this vid which I believe shows the origins of the evils I faced in the summer camp.

I think that fortunately he only had 2 weeks with me and that the methods were still primitive then.

I think this material is pretty bad stuff. It doesn't say explicitly that they experimented on children, but it shows it in several pictures: *(I have to modify what I originally said here. There is a large amount of information on abuse of children in experiments (American children) in the book by Marshall Thomas).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIr0_Mt6AXg

I find there are a whole bunch of videos documenting this stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ZNgsNBi8c

Puffer

PS - Now I'm wondering if I was given LSD on the last 2 or 3 days of the camp. My mind became very confused and I experienced a terror that was indescribable. I have found a reference which documents that LSD was given to children in summer camps in 1953. My experience was in 1951. The summer camp was located a fairly short distance from the lab where LSD was kept. Since I now believe that the perpetrator of my abuse in the camp was an operative in military intelligence, he would have had access to this material.

Originally Posted By: page 29 in: A Question of Torture: CIA Interrogation, From the Cold War to the War On Terror, by Alfred W. McCoy, published 2006

...pumped hallucinogens into children at summer camp...


The author, Alfred W. McCoy is the J.R.W. Small Professor of History of the University of Wisconsin-Madison. He is the author of numerous books and articles, including The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia and Closer than Brothers.

When a T tried to use EMDR to treat this experience, I started to go wacko but since I could dissociate, I did that instead. I had learned to dissociate because of abuse at age 4, etc.

Here are some vids on LSD administered to people and animals:

Children and LSD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjSoFCj-t5I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQQJfoRzefM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJEw3A_QO9o&list=PLHLqP3bn74o1LxfQu9qhjX-VSKirovMJP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDkpr3J6ZpU

So, what did I do when I was given LSD? I don't remember.

Psychological effects. It is clear that LSD was not given to me for my benefit. It was an experiment. They didn't know anything about dosage and didn't care.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b_X7-JXyEU

Other experiments:

http://www.youtube.com/user/marsboy683?feature=watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7fOuPTZtWI&list=PLHLqP3bn74o1LxfQu9qhjX-VSKirovMJP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJEw3A_QO9o&list=PLHLqP3bn74o1LxfQu9qhjX-VSKirovMJP



Edited by pufferfish (01/23/13 04:59 PM)

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#422242 - 01/16/13 01:18 PM Re: Johnny Gosch doc on MSNBC [Re: cant_remember]
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Those are good and informative videos, Puffer. They are notable because the presentation is understated with no background music.

Be careful going down the rabbit hole watching and looking for stuff like this. Can be very triggering.

Cant
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#422248 - 01/16/13 02:12 PM Re: Johnny Gosch doc on MSNBC [Re: cant_remember]
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Pictures showing experimentation on American children in Project MK-Ultra in the 1950's and 1960's.

A boy is given a heavy dose of LSD: (note tear on his cheek)



These photos are available in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIr0_Mt6AXg

Written documentation is in: A Question of Torture: CIA Interrogation, From the Cold War to the War On Terror, by Alfred W. McCoy, published 2006, page 29.
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A girl is having her mind erased:



Written documentation of this is in: Monarch: The New Phoenix Program, by Marshall G. Thomas, published 2007, 193 pages.

Some of the text of the listed YouTube video was extracted from this book.

Puffer



Edited by pufferfish (01/19/13 09:17 PM)

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#422254 - 01/16/13 02:29 PM Re: Johnny Gosch doc on MSNBC [Re: cant_remember]
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I wonder where are monsters who did those experiments frown
Only couple countries were capable for allowing such monstrous crimes to humanity and I'm more than ashamed when seeing this ....
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#422270 - 01/16/13 03:08 PM Re: Johnny Gosch doc on MSNBC [Re: peroperic2009]
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Originally Posted By: traveler


Steve - yes, i've had an urge - more like a compulsion - to figure out what happened to me and why the abusers did what they did.


Yes, me too. It's been a compulsion. My abuser's father was apparently a famous person. There are several books written about him.

Here's a quote from a book which expounds on what the abuser's father was like as a person. Imagine what it would be like to have a father like this:

Originally Posted By: K.D.N. (author of a book)

(written by one of his underlings)..blank..blank.. is the biggest S.O.B. I have ever worked for. He is most demanding. He is most critical. He is always a driver, never a praiser. He is abrasive and sarcastic. .... He is extremely intelligent..... He is the most egotistical man I know.


And here is a description of the abuser (his son, my abuser) at an early age:

Originally Posted By: R.S.N (author of a book)

For... 5-yr-old ..... roamed...with a gang of small boys, slashing screens, throwing rocks through glass windows, and.....smashed some brand-new toilet bowls that had been left outside the building where...
.......
After discussing the offenses they were tallied up; 3 belts for being rude to mama,.....the account was settled using a web (military) belt delivered on ...bare legs


So, in summary, the small boy was involved in a gang of boys who were destroying property, and he was frequently and viciously belted by his father even if he had committed only a minor infraction.

Puffer


Edited by pufferfish (01/23/13 04:48 PM)

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