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#41935 - 01/27/06 03:08 AM Innocence. An opinion
endlessjourney Offline
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They say we lost our innocence to the perps. I disagree. I say we never lost our innocence to them. We just lost our feelings of innocence. If one is no longer innocent, then he or she has something to be guilty of. Survivors should not have to feel guilty for they are not and were not the ones that were doing wrong. If anyone lost innocence it is the very people that took it upon themselves to rape, manipulate, abuse, traumatize, and torture someone so young and precious. To desecrate something so beautiful, something that has a life and dreams is a blasphemy to the very existance of man. Once you cross that line, that is when you lose your innocence. Not by being a victim. What survivors have lost is power. The power to live their own lives in the way they feel fit. The power to be happy. The power to wake up every morning, look in the mirror and not hate what you see. The power to have freedom and not constantly dread what the world has to bring your way. We've had enough! We've taken enough abuse and felt enough pain! It's time to take the power back!

"Take the Power Back"
Rage Against the Machine

It all starts with you

Jason

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#41936 - 01/27/06 10:39 AM Re: Innocence. An opinion
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INNOCENCE I believe is, knowing that you are powerful. And that you donít loose that power, just because your circumstances tell you otherwise.

What happened to you as a child was a bad judgment on the part of your parents or caregivers and of no fault of yours. They wanted to feel powerful by making you feel powerless. You just believed them, innocently. Now you know better, you know it is not true.

You know that you are loved, just as you have always been. It is just that you lost that connection in between. And that is what makes you believe that you are not loved, just the way you are; or that you need to be better to become worthy of love. But the truth you are worthy of love no matter where you stand in your life, Gods love is unconditional as you were born out of His love.

So plug-in again, and you will get that feeling back.

The feeling, that you are powerful just because you are a child of God. Or shall I say getting that innocent feeling back about power, and become 'innocently powerful'.

All children know that they are, that is why they are so demanding - out of 'respect' for their own power.

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~ It's over!...Let go of Thy Past, Remember Thy Self ~

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#41937 - 01/27/06 01:34 PM Re: Innocence. An opinion
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Jason,

I went down to the coast this morning with my dawg.

I felt like a little boy marvelling at a ship on the river, he wanted to just stare all day at what he was seeing.

I am lucky to have a place to live where I can do this, and not live in a smog cityscape.
The real truth is, that we were born innocent, and we can rescue that innocence and live it today.

Seek and you will find, bury the hurt encompass the innocence, it is your right,

ste

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#41938 - 01/27/06 02:30 PM Re: Innocence. An opinion
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Yes, reality you said it! I am beginning to discover that just being or doing nothing and soaking in life can be a lot of fun. Sometimes we try to fill our days with so much useful activities and it saps all the fun out of it. Tomorrow, I shall try to get utterly bored with my life, so some utterly useless stuff, like watching insipid TV and eating bowl of chips, all on sensically. Heck its only life, it will get over before we get the hang of it.
Let me try that for a change!

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~ It's over!...Let go of Thy Past, Remember Thy Self ~

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#41939 - 01/29/06 01:27 PM Re: Innocence. An opinion
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Hey, dont get me wrong!
These are fleeting moments, it is within me to be that boy, but then he goes home never watches TV, writes nonsensical stuff into cyberspace.

He starts so many jobs and never finishes them, just like I started vacuuming carpets then write this.

It is simply this, if we can at least enjoy an hour of the day doing what makes us feel good, then we are on the way to discovering our real selves.

We need to always have these dreams, and places of sanctuary we can call our own.

I am so lucky to have what I have.
I am also unlucky to have a past that I cannot explain to anybody outside of here without them saying "just get over it, or we all have ups and downs in life"!!!

What the Hell is 'UP', it is what I use to get through,

ste

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#41940 - 01/29/06 09:37 PM Re: Innocence. An opinion
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Jason,

I agree with you 100%, if we take innocence to mean our freedom from guilt.

But I think "innocence" also refers to a child's trusting and naive view of the world. A child thinks that he is safe in the world and that it is the source of good things for him. He doesn't even consider the possibility that he can be catastrophically hurt, much less think about that possibility in any meaningful way. The world is a place where he is safe, loved, and worthwhile as a boy.

It's that sense of innocence that an abused child loses, and that is the source of all the problems that survivors face later on in life if this set of issues is not addressed early.

Just some thoughts on a different way one can look at this.

Much love,
Larry

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Nobody living can ever stop me
As I go walking my freedom highway.
Nobody living can make me turn back:
This land was made for you and me.
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#41941 - 01/30/06 03:03 AM Re: Innocence. An opinion
Derdlecar Offline
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Loc: Ogden Utah, USA
Jason,

Another way of think about it for sure, and I like it. I am not guilty, therefore I am innocent. Cool. Kind of goes along with a thread I started when I first got here. I don't remember just how I put it but it was basically this. There is no such person as "my perp". He is not mine, I don't own him. In both cases, we distance our selves from the perps. They did it, they are guilty, they get all the blame.

Hang in there my friend,

Darrel

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#41942 - 01/30/06 09:21 PM Re: Innocence. An opinion
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Darrel,

I'm glad you bring this up again. Since your thread on that I have been trying to avoid the phrase "my abuser". At first it was difficult, since I knew I didn't mean it in any kind of possessive way, but gradually it has been easier to stay away from that link. It fits in well with the idea of innocence that Jason is talking about.

Much love,
Larry

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Nobody living can ever stop me
As I go walking my freedom highway.
Nobody living can make me turn back:
This land was made for you and me.
(Woody Guthrie)

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