Are there any UK members that can help us contextualize what's happening in the UK in the fall-out over the Savile revelations?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/23/bbc-newsnight-jimmy-savile

I'm not in the UK, but have read an article comparing his social significance to Dick Clark. Considering his work with the little ones, however, it occurred to me a more apt comparison might be Fred Rogers.

Given the particularly high esteem in which I hold Fred Rogers (http://www.malesurvivor.org/board/ubbthr...5771#Post405771), I can understand the disillusionment and outrage those in the UK might have over Savile.

Context : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile

From today's NY Times: Police are planning "arrest strategy" for others linked to the Jimmy Savile abuse inquiry.

Think about that. How many suspects do they have if they need a strategy to arrest them all?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/26/world/...eports-say.html

Here is the link:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/politics-videos...estigation.html

"More than 400 lines of inquiry are being pursued with the number of alleged victims nearing 300. Savile's great-niece has come forward to speak of her experience of abuse."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20092115


Unfortunately in dysfunctional society as UK's is this could be just tip of the iceberg

12 named celebrities. The dirty dozen.

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Here's a UK-based news segment on the issue. Triggering, and surreal in that this is the stuff that's been in the dark corners of the internet for years, but now it's finally coming to light:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTLOc5H_3vE&feature=player_embedded#!

Here's another link that claims a connection to a former aide to a former British prime minister.

Is anyone familiar with the 1992 Peter Righton case? Anyway, here's the link. (possible triggers):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...o=feeds-newsxml

How is that name pronounced? Is it "Say-vile"?

I think it is pronounced: "Sa Vil"

Pero

Correct pronunciation, along with new creepy details, here:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/politics-videos...ace-visits.html

What a weirdo. And he was "marriage counselor" for Chuck and Di? Much becomes clear!

John

More on Savile's late night visits to hospitals:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20150177

Pero

More on the BBC's toxic environment with adult sexual harassment by a female perp leads to a man's suicide (possible triggers for ASA'ers or those w/ female perps):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/31/bbc-investigate-death-journalist-harassment

More on Savile:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/nov/02/jimmy-savile-bbc-damages-claims

OK, some real news here. But the BBC too chicken-shit to name the name of the "leading Tory from the Thatcher years" who raped boys in a Welsh boys home:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...phile-ring.html

The perp is still alive, apparently. But the BBC has no balls.

I would say it is not that they don't have balls, they basically are covering pedophiles

Evidently there were many perpetrators involved, including many who were rich and/or politically powerful. Even the police were scared to carry it forward. The same thing happened in major American cities. It is just starting to come to light. Most likely my abuser when I was 12 was involved.

Puffer

I'm working on something to make this right.

Subject not named by the BBC appears to be Alistair McAlpine, who is either a Baron or a Lord, depending on which poorly sourced website one consults.

His Wikipedia page confirms the details from the BBC: he was a high-ranking Tory under Thatcher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alistair_McAlpine,_Baron_McAlpine_of_West_Green

Also, sketchier sources say that the Welsh boys home where he preyed on boys was used by British Intelligence to offer boys to foreign diplomats in order to secretly film them for blackmail purposes:
http://www.whale.to/c/north_wales_paedophile_ring.html

Here's the link I saw that officially links McAlpine to the BBC story, but keep in mind, this website, Topix, has zero credibility because anyone can create an anonymous account and say whatever they would like. So, by itself, not convincing, but if it causes a major news outlet to come forward with its claims, then that's a big deal... but so far, it's only this:
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/united-kingdom/TI0V8BPDVK4BKJPHG

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The Starr arrest is small potatoes.

If someone grows a set and arrests Lord McAlpine, then the shit hits the fan -- because it brings up top-secret information if they were using boys to blackmail foreign diplomats (which sounds like the very thing British intelligence would do).

Cant

I think that the Yanks were doing the same thing. Maybe that's a skill my perpetrator was trying to develop.

Puffer

I know about couple of cases of people from police involved in similar cases making ring of abusers working safely fro years. Some of them were more in torturing and making physical pain to victims, those are the worst animals

Thanks Cunt for this thread, Savile case is just tip of ice berg and unfortunately I'm asking myself is anything happening to catch others, must be very crowded in UK, I see it like heaven for pedophiles

Pero

The Sun is now asking if Jimmy Savile was linked to a notorious UK serial killer:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/new...een-linked.html

And further scrutiny of Savile's close ties to Prince Charles:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...o=feeds-newsxml

I have hope that this story breaks open further, but will not be surprised if it gets covered up... but it does appear to be unraveling. Pray and hope it does.

Here's a story from the UK's Independent that shows that the current chair of the BBC, Chris Patten, is an old political foe of Lord McAlpine, the unnamed monster in the recent BBC report:

"Of all the senior BBC figures floundering in the Jimmy Savile avalanche, only one knows what it is like to live through a crisis. Senior BBC managers are normally protected within a multi-layered hierarchy but the chairman of the BBC Trust, Chris Patten, faces the current frenzy after a tumultuous political career...

"But in another dramatic twist, while the Conservatives won the election by a triumphantly wide margin, Patten lost his seat in Bath. When the loss was announced, senior Thatcherites, watching the results at the home of the former party treasurer Lord McAlpine, cheered with delight."

So maybe this bad blood between Patten and McAlpine will work out in our favor. Then again, maybe it won't.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people...bc-8228776.html

OK,

One last addition for now. Here's a "rogue's gallery" of elite British suspects, from a questionable unreliable non-news source, so take it with a grain of salt, and be careful of the possible triggers:

http://www.onlinepublishingcompany.info/.../active_id/1809

Jimmy Savile's former chauffeur and a second man have been arrested over historic rape allegations not connected to the Savile inquiry.

I post it here simple because I don't believe in such coincidences when we are spiking about abusive persons.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20258447

Thanks, Pero.

That's big news. It means the case is continuing and unfolding. Keep an eye out to see if someone reveals who the other man arrested is. I've noticed the UK police do not release names of arrested people, only ages and locations. But then the press sometimes outs them, so be on the lookout.

edit:

OK, I found it. The 61 y/o man was the lodger (partner?) of the 71 y/o former chauffeur. Police took lots of evidence from the house, including at least four computers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...icion-rape.html

Cant

In UK they have crazy policy, even police has list of sex offenders with other details public can't approach it and guess what?

Many offenders are cops among others....


Pero

NPR reports on the BBC's chief resigning over the Jimmy Savile scandal, with this promising and troubling detail -- it's the first news account I've seen that names McAlpine, but also says the survivor has recanted his accusation:

***********From NPR:
But the furor was reignited when the same program aired a report on Nov. 2 about alleged sex abuse in Wales in the 1970s and 1980s. During the program, victim Steve Messham claimed he had been abused by a senior Conservative Party figure.

The BBC didn't name the alleged abuser, but online rumors focused on Alistair McAlpine, a Conservative Party member of the House of Lords. On Friday, McAlpine issued a fierce denial and threatened to sue.

Messham then said he had been mistaken about his abuser's identity and apologized to McAlpine, prompting fury over the BBC's decision to air the report, the suspension of investigative programs at "Newsnight" and mounting questions over Entwistle's leadership.

Full story here:

http://www.npr.org/2012/11/10/164873008/..._medium=twitter

The forces at work have succeeded (at least temporarily) in burying this story -- or at least this arm of it. Here's the story as it appears in the NY TImes:

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Mr. Entwistle’s sudden departure as the BBC’s chief executive was prompted by outrage over a report last week on “Newsnight,” one of the network’s flagship current affairs programs, that wrongly implicated a former Conservative Party politician in a pedophile scandal involving a children’s home in Wales.

Mr. Entwistle said the report, broadcast on Nov. 2, reflected “unacceptable journalistic standards” and never should have been broadcast.

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On Thursday, The Guardian identified the politician as Alistair McAlpine, a former Conservative Party treasurer, and said that he was the victim of mistaken identity.

Mr. McAlpine, now 70 and in poor health, said Friday that the allegations against him were “wholly false and defamatory” and warned that he planned to sue. Then the man who had made the abuse allegation, Steve Messham, said he had now seen a photo of Mr. McAlpine and was sure that he was not the man who had abused him when he was a child.

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full story link: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/world/europe/george-entwistle-resigns-as-head-of-bbc.html

New person arrested as part of the Jimmy Savile-related Operation Yewtree is former BBC employee, 75-year-old Wilfred De'ath. He says he "knows how Lord McAlpine feels," so they're sticking together:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/c...-sex-abuse.html

Apparenlty, De'ath is also the author of the tell-all memoir UNCOMMON CRIMINAL, and this is an excerpt from its synopsis:

"A self-confessed voyeur who was recruited by MI5 to befriend a Russian spy at an orgy, De'Ath was a sexual predator whose victims included Susanna York, Sarah Miles, Julie Christie, Julia Foster and Charlotte Rampling. A godless but enthusiastic churchgoer, he made a career out of exposing the peccadilloes of Anglican clergymen in Private Eye, whose editor, his Oxford contemporary Richard Ingrams, later commissioned a long-running column in the Oldie retailing his experiences at the hands of plodding policemen, mad magistrates, crazy criminals and sadistic screws. In "Uncommon Criminal", an unrepentant sinner looks back at his deplorable but colourful life with a candour bordering on relish which will disgust and delight in equal measure."
http://www.pickabook.co.uk/bookdetails.aspx?ISBN=9781857252248

A new arrest, this one a former radio DJ. Seems like small potatoes, given the company he keeps:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...estigation.html

Jimmy Savile inquiry looking at alleged sexual abuse by three doctors

"Detectives have not found evidence of a paedophile ring – involving the organised procurement of children for others – but are examining individuals who might have had access to vulnerable children, some of whom were associated with Savile."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/24/jimmy-savile-sex-abuse-doctors

Here's an article linking MP Cyril Smith with Jimmy Savile:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/new...ur-decades.html

Max Clifford Arrested by Savile Sex Abuse Inquiry Police

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/412185...ion-yewtree.htm


Same news in Guardian:
"Savile and others" relates to alleged offences in which the former Jim'll Fix It host was suspected of being involved; "others" relates to allegations being investigated by Operation Yewtree, but do not involve Savile.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/dec/06/max-clifford-arrested

Thanks for the heads up, Pero.

This is a big deal, right? It was only October 27, when the Guardian was reporting this:

"Dozens of celebrities from the 1960s and 70s are "frightened to death" they will be implicated in the Jimmy Savile child abuse scandal, according to public relations guru Max Clifford."

Now Clifford himself has been nabbed. This is what the BBC is saying:

"Max Clifford is one of the most influential figures in British media and the sixth person to be questioned as part of the operation."

Here's video of Mr. Clifford, saying more than he should:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlQyY2W0Jek&feature=player_embedded

Cant

Any such move is helpful in this huge case I should say Cant.

There have been established helplines for victims of Jimmy Savile's abuse at Leeds General Infirmary, Stoke Mandeville and Broadmoor hospitals.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20632125

The famous publicist Max Clifford has been arrested today in connection with Operation Yewtree! Wow!! Unbelievable - no wonder he was trying to trivialise the allegations that were coming out and even offered his PR services to named celebrity child sexual abusers. He lives in my county!

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/top-publicist-arrested-bbc-sex-abuse-inquiry-161349390.html

These are in government and may never be named let alone prosecuted! It makes my blood boil!

http://www.onlinepublishingcompany.info/.../active_id/1809

This is a very interesting event, purely in terms of the police's tactical strategy.

Clifford was the #1 person to go to when/if you had money and got arrested. So now, the police have taken him completely off the field. He's radioactive now; no other perp can talk to him, for fear Clifford will turn rat to save his own skin, which he might have done already.

Stay tuned. And keep your eyes peeled for developments.

Cant

New arrest connected to Savile's case:

"A man in his 60s has been arrested on suspicion of sexual offences":

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20663293

Thanks, Pero.

I've not found a name for this new arrest, so if you or anyone else sees it, please post.

Meanwhile, here's a story from 12/2 that we seemed to miss, from the UK Mirror:

"A guesthouse where paedo VIPs are feared to have abused vulnerable underage boys for years is being probed by cops, the Sunday People can reveal.

A ring of rich and powerful people are said to have used it as a sordid playhouse - and were allegedly snapped and videoed with kids lured from a children's home.

One boy has alleged he was tied up, forced to perform a sex act and made to watch men having sex.

A politician, top cop, judge and bishop are among those said to have been part of the ring between 1978 and 1982."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paedophile-ring-a-paedo-palace-where-vips-1469127

Cant

Police have confirmed that the number of alleged sex abuse victims of the late Jimmy Savile has reached 450...

...Meanwhile, police have set up Operation Fairbank to investigate allegations by Labour MP Tom Watson of a paedophile ring in high places....


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20697738

BBC criticised for Newsnight axed Jimmy Savile report


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20778261

Jimmy Savile scandal: Police to publish inquiry report

"By mid-December, police had recorded almost 200 allegations against him including 31 rapes, following information from 450 victims.

The detective leading the investigation has described Savile, whose crimes are thought to span 50 years, as a "predatory sex offender".

The report is expected to show that Savile carried out a large number of sexual assaults on BBC premises, including Television Centre in west London where the children's programme Jim'll Fix It was recorded.

About a dozen hospitals are believed to have been identified by victims as locations where abuse was carried out, and at least one allegation has been made that Savile sexually assaulted someone in a hospice."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20981611

Thanks for posting, Pero.

Here's another link with lots of factual details of Savile's prolific career as a child rapist:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...aulted-450.html

And it's in today's NY Times as well:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/12/world/europe/jimmy-savile-sexual-abuse-scandal-report.html

This could be an important watershed moment to help the normals wake the EFF up... but it takes a lot to wake people up, and this might not be enough.

How did Savile get away with it for so long? Here's a slide show of him with his powerful friends, including at least three UK PM's, several members of the royal family, and the pope:
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2012/10/19/how-did-he-get-away-with-it-jimmy-saviles-photo-album/

Cant

Re: Savile, "There may be hundreds more [victims]."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-victims-total-a-1530204

I really wish Jimmy Saville was alive to confront all the damage he perpertrated in his life, very very sick man.

Police forces failed to “join the dots” and missed opportunities to apprehend Jimmy Savile, a critical report says.
The earliest known missed opportunity to investigate Savile was in 1963 when a male victim reported to Cheshire police that he had been raped by Savile, according to the report. An officer told the victim to “forget about it”.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21750548