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#413879 - 10/21/12 11:39 PM Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims
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Registered: 12/12/11
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I am really curious if anyone else was abused by my perp. I guess I really can't post his name here, but I can say where it happened. The troop met in the basement of Saint Joan of Arc Catholic Church in Arvada, Colorado in the early to mid 1970's. Was anyone else here in that troop and sexually abused by a leader? If so, I'd really like to know.
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#413892 - 10/22/12 01:01 AM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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Just reread your story. We were about the same age, similar circumstances (except school counselor/church camp director in my case), same period.

Didn't get any response to it, but I posted in the classifieds here, too. A thot.

Also, since I had a third party to protect my identity, I posted to the local Craigslist in personals/platonic/M4M. Nothing ever came of it - of which I was aware - but it apparently struck a nerve with someone who kept flagging it for deletion. That alone made me feel better...an aha! moment.

Good luck!

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#413900 - 10/22/12 01:49 AM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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Lancer,

I am really sorry you keep hitting a brick wall when you look for other victims too. I have a feeling you understand why I want to know if there are others too.

Craigslist is a good idea. I never knew of any other victims, but from what every expert on CSA says, chances are that there is never just one victim. I don't really understand why I think this, but to me it would help if I found out I wasn't the only one.

Another thing is that I cannot remember the troop number. I see there is a troop #476 in Arvada, CO now, but it meets somewhere else. That number kinda rings a bell with me. About 6 years ago, when I decided to report this to the BSA, in case my perp was still in Scouting, the Denver Area Council guy I spoke to said he found the troop number by looking up the perp's name and my name with the time-frame I gave him. He didn't tell me the troop number.

I just know there are other victims. I will try C.L.

Thanks!
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#413905 - 10/22/12 02:53 AM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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I agree with you 110% and, fwiw, support your search. Other victims? Oh yeah. I probably shouldn't have, but did the math on mine. Two decades at a high school with 1K student body...apply 1 in 6 to half that number and...sheesh.

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#413908 - 10/22/12 03:27 AM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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Another big question for me is if my perp abused any of his own kids? He has three boys and two girls. Two of the boys were in the scout troop at the same time I was, in fact, one of his boys was my Assistant Patrol Leader.
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#413926 - 10/22/12 08:21 AM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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imo, I think it's more likely than not, based on observations of my perp's family dynamic:

One son was always angry, macho, etc., and apparently still is (survivalist, right wing extremist). I actually witnessed another bullying a kid half his age at the time. If you'll forgive the vampire implication, at least two of 'em now involved professionally with young teen boys. Another kid became an LCSW...and I can only speculate that one may have dealt with it.

And they're all very obese. I was pretty shocked. I'll cite the Boston Univ. School of Medicine study on the connection between childhood abuse and obesity.

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#414054 - 10/23/12 10:49 AM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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The news about the BSA is unsettling, as they had to be FORCED to reveal the list of perps. I'm really sorry the BSA covered it up and protected sexual predators to "protect the good name of the BSA." The neighborhood kids now say BSA stands for "Boys Sexually Assaulted." Cover ups ALWAYS backfire.

I am sorry the good leaders and members of the BSA have had this blanket of betrayal thrown on them by their sick and twisted counterpart leaders, and i am most sorry for the boys who were assaulted and then victimized by the cover up.

My father/perp was a BSA leader. His name does not appear on the BSA list of perps, so i am certain there are many many more whose names do not appear. I would imagine a lot of the cases were covered up at a local level.

My two elder brothers were in scouts during my father's time as a leader. My father resigned and left scouts abruptly and without explanation. It's odd that after he had lived, ate, and breathed scouting for several years, he resigned and never again mentioned the BSA or his time as a devout leader.

Undefeated, we can be certain you were not the only one targeted by the monster from Arvada.
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#414209 - 10/24/12 11:35 PM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Lancer]
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Lancer, This is interesting stuff, but it does make sense. The problems with eating and weight are certainly tied to having a poor self image. I think I will having something to eat now. LOL
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#414211 - 10/24/12 11:40 PM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: WriterKeith]
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Thanks Keith!

I have a feeling you are right, that I was not the only victim of this perp. I am sure when I got to old for his "tastes," he probably found another young teen to satisfy his sick perversions.

As for your father and my perp not being in the perversion files, I can see how a lot of perps never got on the list. I forget where, but I had read that the BSA purged perps from the files when they reached 75 years of age. This might be an explanation about your father and my perp. My perp is 80 now.

BTW, I am consulting with another attorney in my state that was recommended by Kelly Clark. I kinda suspect I will hit the same statute-of-limitations wall, but as least I am pursuing it.
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#414212 - 10/24/12 11:44 PM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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@Undefeated - I highly recommend Haagen Dazs dark chocolate. Works wonders for me. I feel better just thinking about it. Yes, 7-Eleven sometimes carries it.

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#414213 - 10/24/12 11:47 PM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Lancer]
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This is WAY too funny! Thanks Lancer!!!
grin
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#414219 - 10/25/12 01:46 AM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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It's too late at night for me to get into it in detail, but the newly released boy scout information has helped me to think through what happened to me even though my abuser was not on the list. Look at it this way. The very fact that he was NOT on the list gives me a bunch of new information. Call it the "negative space" of circumstance. However, abuse within scouting was not talked about during the years I was in scouting. There was a lot of abuse going on then. The other scout troop in town was led by a parasitic pedophile. Notice that area or region were correlated with what and when information was released. Also it may well develop that my abuser was part of a sex ring abusing boys in that wider area.

Puffer



Edited by pufferfish (10/25/12 01:46 AM)

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#414229 - 10/25/12 04:04 AM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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I may be weird, but I would have preferred to see my perp's name on the list. First of all, it would be the first acknowledgment ever that he was an evil pedophile. Secondly, I would like to know if there were other victims. It would seem fitting his "good name" should appear on the pervert list. Right now, I am a lone voice in my accusation of what he did to me. It would be helpful if the accusations I make were confirmed by him being on the list, or more voices making the accusations together.
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#414232 - 10/25/12 06:39 AM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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I don't think it's weird at all Undefeated. And, as you know from my PMs, for EXACTLY the same reasons. For me it comes down to confronting The Lie.

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#414246 - 10/25/12 11:34 AM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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I guess a good part of this is wanting some sort of acknowledgement that something bad did happen to us. That's a part of healing and for now, that hasn't happened to me. When I reported this to the BSA, I didn't get as much as an, "I'm sorry." Just, "Thank you for letting us know."
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#414287 - 10/26/12 12:08 AM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: pufferfish]
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Originally Posted By: pufferfish
The very fact that he was NOT on the list gives me a bunch of new information. Call it the "negative space" of circumstance.


What is negative space?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_space

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#414496 - 10/28/12 12:10 AM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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Hello, I don't know if this thread it dead but I too have a real desire to find my perps name on the files. As of yet it isn't there but I feel like I need to know if there were others.
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#414525 - 10/28/12 03:33 AM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: webelos]
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Hello webelos!

I hope this isn't a dead thread, because I am hoping someone else that was molested by my perp will come forward.

I suspect you have checked this, but just in case there are two places with slightly different information:

http://www.kellyclarkattorney.com/files/

http://spreadsheets.latimes.com/boyscouts-cases/

I hope something comes up for you and you. Let us know if it does.

By the way, Welcome to MS. I see this is your first post. I am glad you are here to seek healing, but I am sorry that what happened to you, qualifies you to be here too.
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#414686 - 10/29/12 09:39 PM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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I am sure the perps are over 75 years old so I guess that means there is no hope of finding them in the files?
I know there are others that know what happened and it drives me crazy that I don't have anyone else to verify what I feel or think.
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#414695 - 10/29/12 10:35 PM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: webelos]
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My abuser isn't on the list either. My troop is though, and there was another abuser in the troop around the time I was in the scouts. I winder how much more happened in that troop.

My abuser was a fellow scout a couple years older than me. He is dead now. I don't know if that makes me happy or sad.

Just because the person is not in the files doesn't mean you can't tell your story to the lawyers or anyone else.

I was horrified to understand how pervasive the abuse was and how well it was hidden...much like the Catholic church. I am sorry it happened to you. It wasn't your fault.
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#415172 - 11/03/12 01:39 AM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: sten]
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Here's another example:

Matthew Taggard, former town of Ulster (Ireland) police chief banned from boy scouts

http://www.dailyfreeman.com/articles/2012/10/31/news/doc5090848787c3c077128953.txt#.UJRLx0Qn-q4


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#415407 - 11/05/12 04:41 PM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: pufferfish]
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I have made a statement which I hope will show links between Boy Scout abuse in the U.S.A. and the British pedophile investigations.

http://www.malesurvivor.org/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=415404#Post415404

Puffer


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#415547 - 11/07/12 01:14 AM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: pufferfish]
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Salary of Boy Scout Executive. $1.6 million?

http://taxdollars.ocregister.com/2009/08...top-exec/30227/

Quote:

The Charity Navigator 2009 CEO Compensation Study lists the BSA’s Chief Scout Executive as earning a salary of $1,577,600.


What a shame!

puffer

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#415621 - 11/07/12 08:16 PM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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I made a comment about an article on the Boy Scout Perversion Files and my comment was chosen as the "Comment of the Day."
Comment of the Day: Boy Scouts' perversion files aren't complete...
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#415625 - 11/07/12 08:54 PM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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I'm going to compose a letter tonight. Thank you.

Puffer

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#415628 - 11/07/12 09:25 PM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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Hi. I am new to this site. Was glad to find this thread. My abuser WAS on that list. I was not expecting to see his name. I am now figuring out what to do with the information. I have been encouraged to come out with my story publically. That is what I am trying to navigate through now. I applaud you all. This is NOT easy. The local paper won't publish his name until they have some sort of legal document. There was never a police report filed.

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#415635 - 11/07/12 10:06 PM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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I am also new to the site. I think it is awesome that you are taking action. It is something that I have always struggled with. I could not find my abusers name on the list.

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#415664 - 11/08/12 08:15 AM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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Drago I just keep paying attention and walking through doors God leads me to. Listening. You have to do whats best for you. This BSA mess will go on for years like with the Catholic Church. You'll tell your story when you are ready. It can be powerful. I feel it is what I must do for my own healing and my hope for helping the other boys/men in my community heal or start to heal. But I can only speak for myself. For me finding his name on the list came with a huge sense of responsibilty. Not for what he did to me, but for what I must do now.

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#418070 - 12/03/12 06:32 PM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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I'm a tad late to the discussion here. I've been in a dark place pretty bad since the list was released. I'm sure (now) I'm not the only one. My research uncovered the following:

- The list (released to the Oregon law firm) was never expected to be complete.
- The bsa explains that they remove names under certian circumstances (i.e. the individual dies)
- The statue of limitations is a State based law. In my case that is RI. For legal action I have 7 years from the date that I became aware of the problems which were caused by the events, or reasonably should have recognized the correlation.

This brings me to my question. I can't decide if I should pursue litigation or not. I think I'll start a new thread dedicated to just that.

Thanks Undefeated for starting this thread!
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#418240 - 12/05/12 07:49 AM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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Afldman pursuing legal action is a tough choice. I have reached out to two law firms. One in Seattle and one in Portland. I can't go after my abuser since Georgia has a similiar SOL as Rhode Island. My understanding is that if you go after the BSA it doesn't matter which state you file given it is a national organization. I don't know that as fact. You have to decide for yourself what your motivation is for going to court. Money or something greater. Good luck with your pursuit. Let me know if you would like to chat more sometime.

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#418251 - 12/05/12 09:56 AM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: mcclendon]
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There is an attorney in MS who is certified for the state of Georgia. She goes under the handle of "disappointed".

http://www.malesurvivor.org/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showprofile&User=7484

I would suggest sending her a PM and see what she says. She hasn't been here for a few weeks, so if you don't get a response let me know and I'll see if I can get your message to her.

Puffer

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#418502 - 12/08/12 07:23 AM Re: Boy Scout Abuse - Where it happened/Other Victims [Re: Undefeated]
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Thanks Puffer! I will send her a message.

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