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#413534 - 10/18/12 03:44 PM Link to Boy Scout Perversion Files
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The site seems to be overwhelmed, but when it calms down, here is the link:

Boy Scout Ineligible Volunteer Files (Perversion Files) (1965 – 1985)


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#413539 - 10/18/12 04:22 PM Re: Link to Boy Scout Perversion Files [Re: Undefeated]
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lol, all the traffic killed the site. Go figure
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#413540 - 10/18/12 04:28 PM Re: Link to Boy Scout Perversion Files [Re: Undefeated]
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Yeah! frown I am trying to get to the M's to see if my perp is there and it says, "Unable to connect."

Lots of perps and I suspect even more that never made it on the list. I won't be surprised either way, if mine is listed or not. Several years ago, I reported him to them, just in case he was still involved in Scouting. It made me mad when I read that a lot of perps were perged from the files when they reached the age of 75. mad Mine is 80 now.

Alan
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#413543 - 10/18/12 04:41 PM Re: Link to Boy Scout Perversion Files [Re: Undefeated]
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My perp's name isn't on there!!! mad

He really got by with it.
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#413546 - 10/18/12 05:19 PM Re: Link to Boy Scout Perversion Files [Re: Undefeated]
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I haven't looked at it yet because there is probably heavy traffic on the site. But just think what that means! There are thousands of us out there trying to discern if our perps are listed. That means to me that there were possibly many thousands of perps in the Boy Scouts. Am I being unreasonable? Probably only a fraction were apprehended or reported. I think also that in the 1950's when I was abused, the dangers to boys were simply NOT recognized. I already mentioned that the scouts when I was in it were rife with abuse and sexual activity (older boys teaching younger, etc.). None of these to my knowledge are listed. CSA of boys in our society is still probably largely unrecognized. Some of them were very crafty and escaped detection.

There is a book written about a Boy Scout leader who bragged about abusing over 1000 Boy Scouts by himself. The book is: Conversations With a Pedophile, by Amy Carter Zabin. I think he was in Texas. He was very clever. He had the ability to deceive parents and community leaders that he was a nice guy. He was a computer programmer. He moved into town and immediately volunteered to be a Boy Scout leader. He also joined a church because it was connected with a Scout troop. He bragged that his ultimate joy was to completely break the boys' will. sick I read his book. The book now sells for as much as $189 or $500 for a new copy. This book should be read by therapists and law enforcement people. He was convicted and is serving a life sentence:

http://www.amazon.com/Conversations-Pedophile-Interest-our-Children/dp/1569802475/

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#413549 - 10/18/12 05:55 PM Re: Link to Boy Scout Perversion Files [Re: Undefeated]
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I think its important to point out here that undoubtedly there are going to be some case files if you read them that were simply about people put on the list for being gay and had nothing to do with CSA.
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#413573 - 10/18/12 08:14 PM Re: Link to Boy Scout Perversion Files [Re: Undefeated]
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Nope. My perp isn't there...at least the school got him (but, like BSA, left me behind to save their precious goddamned reputation).

What I did discover is that the link is more reliable routed thru their homepage: http://www.kellyclarkattorney.com/

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#413583 - 10/18/12 09:08 PM Re: Link to Boy Scout Perversion Files [Re: Undefeated]
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i wonder why this collection of files only goes back to 1965 - when the other records start in - what - 1949?

1965 just cuts off my experience as being too long ago. unless the same people were continuing for a while after that date - which i suppose is likely. i will look into it when i feel steadier - and when the first rush is over.

but most of my abusers were other scouts - not the adult leaders pe se - unless the adults were the original perps who set off the chain of events. i can't even remember any of them. maybe that is significant?

Lee
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#413585 - 10/18/12 09:16 PM Re: Link to Boy Scout Perversion Files [Re: Undefeated]
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When I was 15 and my brother 14- my brothers Boy Scout leader invited us on a 2 week hike through the Appalachian mts. just the 3 of us- no other adult. i hurt my foot pretty bad the first day so on day 2 my brother and I were left at a hostel (my mom was coming to get us) and the Boy Scout leader went on by himself.
A few weeks later we heard that he and his wife were arrested for sex acts with multiple boys.
He was a Boy Scout leader for years, a 4th grade teacher, and was the "counselor" for the YMCA and took groups of 10 kids overnight for a week at a time (only adult). I also babysat for his 2 little girls for an entire summer.
He never tried anything with me- and my brother says the same thing. I dont know why- he had access- but i am grateful that he didnt. He isn't on this list- but should be.
Shame on BSA for this coverup.
IMHO I think the entire organization should no longer be allowed to exist. For this to be allowed to occur is disgraceful.
As an individual- I will not support an agency that covers up crimes against children. My 3 boys will not participate in Boy Scouts and I will not buy items when they come around fundraising.

Does anyone know if any government entity is going to get involved? I'm assuming its a non-profit? That status should be taken away. Any government funds should be taken away.

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#413588 - 10/18/12 09:39 PM Re: Link to Boy Scout Perversion Files [Re: RunningOnEmpty]
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Thank you RunningOnEmpty

I saw an interview tonight on PBS News Hour about why so many names didn't appear on the report. The Interview was with Nigel Duara:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient...186&bih=790

See:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/18..._n_1981596.html

Originally Posted By: Nigel Duara in Huffington Post

In 1972, a Pennsylvania Scouting executive wrote a memo recommending a case against a suspected abuser be dropped with the words: "If it don't stink, don't stir it."


Originally Posted By: Nigel Duara in Huffington Post

On the afternoon of Aug. 10, 1965, a distraught Louisiana mother walked into the Ouachita Parish Sheriff's Office. A 31-year-old scoutmaster, she told the chief criminal deputy, had raped one of her sons and molested two others.

Six days later, the scoutmaster sat down in the same station and confessed.

"I don't know an explanation, why we done it or I done it or wanted to do it or anything else it just – an impulse I guess or something," the man told a sheriff's deputy.

The decision was made not to pursue charges. "This subject and Scouts were not prosecuted," a Louisiana Scouts executive wrote to national headquarters, "to save the name of Scouting."


Originally Posted By: Nigel Duara in Huffington Post

n Newton, Kan., in 1961, the county attorney had what he needed for a prosecution: Two men were arrested and admitted that they had molested Scouts in their care. But neither man was prosecuted.

The entire investigation, the county attorney wrote, was brought about with the cooperation of a local district Scouts executive, who was kept apprised of the investigation's progress into the men, who had affiliations with both the Scouts and the local YMCA.

"I came to the decision that to openly prosecute would cause great harm to the reputations of two organizations which we have involved here – the Boy Scouts of America and the local YMCA," he wrote in a letter to a Kansas Scouting executive.


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#413592 - 10/18/12 09:49 PM Re: Link to Boy Scout Perversion Files [Re: pufferfish]
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Scout Victims Feel Abandoned

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/scout-abuse-victims-feel-abandoned-17510067#.UICv6VH9V8E

Originally Posted By: Nigel Duara in ABC News

In August 1966, according to the files, a boy at a Scout camp reported he had been molested by the camp's rifle range instructor. The camp director didn't believe the boy so he sent the Scout back out onto the rifle range. The director said he would hide to see what happened.
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According to a memo written by the camp director, he saw the rifle range instructor molest the boy. The director went up to the instructor, left, and hid again. The rifle range instructor again molested the boy, according to the camp director's memo.

The camp director, the local scoutmaster and the boys' parents held a meeting. The meeting closed with all agreeing that the rifle range instructor would be "quietly dismissed," and to "keep our knowledge private."



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#413594 - 10/18/12 09:55 PM Re: Link to Boy Scout Perversion Files [Re: pufferfish]
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#413597 - 10/18/12 10:07 PM Re: Link to Boy Scout Perversion Files [Re: pufferfish]
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CBS News video

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50133414n

Interview with John Anderson.

Puffer



Edited by pufferfish (10/18/12 10:10 PM)

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#413598 - 10/18/12 10:14 PM Re: Link to Boy Scout Perversion Files [Re: pufferfish]
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LA Times

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50133414n

Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=j72Ubwds3Gc&feature=endscreen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Fw1I1RWH-wY#!



Edited by pufferfish (10/18/12 10:26 PM)

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#413601 - 10/18/12 10:35 PM Re: Link to Boy Scout Perversion Files [Re: pufferfish]
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#413660 - 10/19/12 03:03 PM Re: Link to Boy Scout Perversion Files [Re: Undefeated]
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I find this all rather upsetting, and even more-so when I see some men who were molested far less than many of us, and they get huge judgements, in the millions of dollars. frown
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#413670 - 10/19/12 04:20 PM * [Re: Undefeated]
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Edited by Smalltown80sBoy (04/29/13 12:38 PM)

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#413875 - 10/21/12 11:30 PM Re: Link to Boy Scout Perversion Files [Re: Smalltown80sBoy]
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#413876 - 10/21/12 11:33 PM Re: Link to Boy Scout Perversion Files [Re: Undefeated]
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i read an article online yesterday that said the site was so overloaded with hits that it crashed. what does that tell ya?
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sometimes in doubt, but never in despair;
there are many enemies, but we are never without a friend;
and though badly hurt at times, we are not destroyed.
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#413888 - 10/22/12 12:25 AM Re: Link to Boy Scout Perversion Files [Re: Undefeated]
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i couldn't remember any names of leaders - and only one name of the older boys that were abusive. i scanned every page, pausing every time i came across a listing for the state where it happened. nothing. they flew beneath the radar, apparently. the files began 2 years after i left at age 13, but many of the same boys and leaders would still have been active members then - so i guess nobody talked. disappointing.
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there are many enemies, but we are never without a friend;
and though badly hurt at times, we are not destroyed.
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