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#413313 - 10/16/12 05:56 PM Re: anger [Re: JustScott]
phoenix321 Offline


Registered: 09/26/11
Posts: 912
Loc: USA, FL
Originally Posted By: JustScott
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When it comes to me, pfttt! They ain't got the time of day.


Same here with me. I struggle with that a lot. I've are fallible and most only care about themselves, no matter what church or non-church they claim to belong to. Sad but true.

I totally love your post God going away while you did your business and then came. It's so totally God though. God isn't out there trying to force Himself on us. Ever. He is patient and waits on us a lot I think.

And as for not being worried about sin, He's not either. He took care of that. Bible makes it clear in 1st John 2:2 - He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins--and not only our sins but the sins of all the world.

You know who cares about sin? We do. More so than He does. He made a way, it's wide open, He's just waiting for us. He tells us He's standing at the door knocking.... waiting for us to open up and let Him in.

He's got all the time in the world for you. You are eternally precious to Him. I have no answers in terms of "why" the abuse we experienced happened, or why He doesn't jump in each and every time, and the whole free-will thing bothers me, because we can see there are times He does step in... why not in our cases? Sadly I don't have that answer.

BUT He's big enough to be there no matter what else is going on. And on that idea that "God helps those who help themselves.". That there is a load of malarkey. If that was true, we'd all be hopeless and Christ would never have come.

Keep talking! I'll surely be here as I can. Also, if anything I say causes a struggle or issue, bring it up, lets talk about it, I'm certainly not the end all/ be all and have had to stop and reevaluate my thoughts and beliefs many times.



Just,

Thank you for responding. You know, I don't care why the abuse happened. I can't change it. But, like back then being treated like I didn't exist, I didn't count and I didn't matter to anyone, I'm not gonna be treated anything less than as valuable as anyone else. That's what I've grown eternally tired of. Or, I ask for something, like help, and I'm totally discounted and told some hogwash like I don't need it so people can wash their hands of me.
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#413389 - 10/17/12 07:07 AM Re: anger [Re: phoenix321]
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I've been there too. Right in the church I attend. People who are never there, and never attend EXCEPT when they want something get all the help and attention, while my wife and I, who are faithful, and even VERY active is service and volunteering deal with all our stuff alone and with nothing more than a "we'll pray for you..." response.

Guess they figure since we're always there they don't have to help us because we'll just keep coming.... I don't know. Frustrating and angering to say the least!!!!

Now if you will, imagine a King being reviled and spit on, mocked and tortured. Beaten and abused and then murdered. All the while He could have called out and all those who had harmed Him would have been struck down where they stood. I know you know this already, but He did that for you. He'll never wash His hands of you. He suffered being treated unjustly for our sake.

You bear the very likeness and all the dignity thereof of God Himself. You are an image bearer of the creator. You do deserve to be treated as such. Sadly though we live in a world that doesn't care.

Your anger at how you've been treated for so long is totally justified. I won't take that away or say anything to the contrary.

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#413424 - 10/17/12 03:59 PM Re: anger [Re: JustScott]
phoenix321 Offline


Registered: 09/26/11
Posts: 912
Loc: USA, FL
Originally Posted By: JustScott
I've been there too. Right in the church I attend. People who are never there, and never attend EXCEPT when they want something get all the help and attention, while my wife and I, who are faithful, and even VERY active is service and volunteering deal with all our stuff alone and with nothing more than a "we'll pray for you..." response.

Guess they figure since we're always there they don't have to help us because we'll just keep coming.... I don't know. Frustrating and angering to say the least!!!!

Now if you will, imagine a King being reviled and spit on, mocked and tortured. Beaten and abused and then murdered. All the while He could have called out and all those who had harmed Him would have been struck down where they stood. I know you know this already, but He did that for you. He'll never wash His hands of you. He suffered being treated unjustly for our sake.

You bear the very likeness and all the dignity thereof of God Himself. You are an image bearer of the creator. You do deserve to be treated as such. Sadly though we live in a world that doesn't care.

Your anger at how you've been treated for so long is totally justified. I won't take that away or say anything to the contrary.


Hey,

I'm glad you have the wife because together you can tolerate such behaviour in your church. As for me, it burned me out so bad I really don't want to ever see the inside of a church again. It wasn't just one church, it was legion. Don't pardon the pun. lol I can't do it alone anymore. I need at least a mate. I can deal with just having one friend, but I can't live anymore on nothing. God made me human not a robot as much as I wanted to be a robot in the past. Humans need others. Hell, I haven't even had touch in 7-8 years. It's the reason the casual sex desire is getting stronger every day, too. Only Jesus could walk totally alone (and then it wasn't forever just while he hung). I've had money and it didn't fill this hole, God and he didn't fill this hole (damn near went insane trying that and that alone), intellect and it didn't fill the hole, all kinds of sex and it didn't fill that hole either.

Am I mad at God? Fuck yeah! When I was suicidal and faced the night alone (with great drugs...lol), he might have been in the room, but I felt nothing. Don't give me that shit, God I had to ask for you to comfort me and to touch me. C'mon, dude, what did I think when I was suicidal as hell in the hospital? Yeah, sex with that nurse (I remember her and her and her..lol) would be nice. Psychiatric hospitals are great places to get lucky just as a note. lol Sex is the best stress reliever you know is why. Sex and death are also nearly the same thing chemically in the brain. So, if you find death imminent and you get a boner or get aroused, that's normal. If it has sex in it, chances are I've read about it or done it. lol

JustScott, there has to be someone out there for me to fill this hole (and me fill their's). I'm not waiting forever. If it gets too much, God does have the option of allowing one to go home for the asking. You just have to be sure and have to ask. I read about it a long time ago and I'm not scared anymore to leave and let him take me. I've heard too much of there and seen too much horror here. One last shot at a life is all that holds me here. It's not suicidal either. It's just one saying to God, I'm totally unhappy and the road is too bad for me to continue so let me go home because nobody is gonna miss me (not what I can do for them anyway) really. By the way, Jesus was taken, too. I've heard about others being taken. Selfish for me? Yep. And, years ago, when I was new to the Lord, I felt him offer a trip home. I don't think he realized he tempted me too far and I nearly went. God doesn't sin, but he can make mistakes. I know I would get love and be able to feel love there. There would also be no more pain. I'm tired. Time for a nap. Thanks again.



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