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#410987 - 09/21/12 07:42 PM Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended
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I was just thinking that an open dialogue would maybe be helpful. I am eager to learn stuff from other or talk about differences and we can learn alot from each other. This shouldn't turn into a "My faith is better than yours" discussion. Just open and mature dialogue or Q&A if you will. Like I seen a Buddism thread an I don't know alot about it. Just wondering if there are some same basic principles. I have been southern baptist, Methodist, church of God and church of God of prophecy. So I guess I am a church slut. Now the church I attend is non denominational. Also I would like to know about Catholics and there ways. Or if anyone is atheist lets talk about what you think and why. May be good for use all to learn from each other. It's an idea anyway to kinda unite us and come to a better understanding.
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Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

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#410988 - 09/21/12 07:43 PM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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Any nominations for a thread bouncer? Someone I it gets too heated that can out someone in time out?
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Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

Ephesians 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

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#410995 - 09/21/12 08:12 PM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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One question I have is what exactly is holy water for in Catholicism ? I think it is in like the front by the entrance.
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Ephesians 6:13

Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

Ephesians 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

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#410999 - 09/21/12 08:58 PM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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great idea, Country! i guess i've been around the block a few times, too, looking for a church that met my expectations. lots of em i wouldn't go back to. back to your question - i don't know how holy water started or what the point is. i know water is symbolic in scripture and used in baptism , but beyond that...? i can't answer that one.

Lee
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#411006 - 09/21/12 10:23 PM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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I know that some anoint or sprinkle with water and that is their form of baptism. Some anoint with oil. I was just wondering was it like cleansing themselves before services or what it was exactly for. Maybe someone can answer it for me.
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Ephesians 6:13

Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

Ephesians 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

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#411056 - 09/22/12 12:12 PM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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For those abused in church or by Clergy , I offer a heart felt apology and want you to know that this is not Gods design andn that these people will be held to an even higher judgement than most people..I hate that this happens by ones that are suppose to help you in your walk with God..
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Ephesians 6:13

Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

Ephesians 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

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#411588 - 09/27/12 09:45 PM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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Has anyone ever par taken in a foot washing ceremony? I did a few times. Once at a Methodist church and once at a Church of God of Propechy.
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Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

Ephesians 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

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#411654 - 09/28/12 08:48 AM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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Pretty sure the idea of "Holy Water" is just water that has been "blessed" by a Priest or Pastor, typically for purposes of Baptism. It's essentially water dedicated for Baptism.

Some churches leave it in it's container constantly which during various outbreaks (like swine flu etc) raised concerns for many people because of a fear of infection. I find it interesting that "studies" have been done to test "holy water" from various churches to see if it contained bacteria.... the answer of course was a huge affirmative yes... like did they seriously expect any other result? Sorry, It was just one of those eyebrow raising moments for me that people would assume that somehow a standing pool of "holy water" would someone be different bacteria wise than any other standing pool of water.


Haven't ever experienced a foot washing. Actually this is the first time I'm hearing of it, and I currently attend a UMC church.

The church I attend does something every once in awhile that baffles me. We have a service almost identical to communion, but instead of using wine/grape juice they use plain old water.... They call it something like a friendship or fellowship service.

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#411728 - 09/29/12 12:57 AM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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The Anabaptist denominations have usually combined foot washing and communion in the same service. It has been many years since I have observed this so I do not know if they still practice it as much as they once did.

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#411735 - 09/29/12 04:18 AM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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i've experienced foot-washing several times. never in a church service - it is quite meaningful when in a small group with people you feel close to. once was in a youth group, once in a small Bible study group, another time we washed one another's hands rather than feet. it really felt humbling and intimate - took a lot of trust - both being the washer and the washee. i think it would be sort of weird with strangers or people you don't know well.

lee
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I've been searchin so long to find an answer
Now I know my life has meaning
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#411792 - 09/29/12 10:46 PM * [Re: Country]
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Edited by Smalltown80sBoy (04/29/13 12:22 PM)

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#411824 - 09/30/12 10:52 AM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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Do y'all attend a service Gary ? Is there a pastor or leader who instructs? Just curious
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Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

Ephesians 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

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#411852 - 09/30/12 05:49 PM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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We had Hillsong United at our church this weekend. They are a Christian group from Australia. They led worship service this morning. I loved it an they are great but I still missed our praise team. We had an awesome gospel inspired service. Talking about the Holy Spirit.
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Ephesians 6:13

Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

Ephesians 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

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#411926 - 10/01/12 06:34 PM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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I think this is a good idea Country. Im down for learning about others faiths. I feel in a lot of ways like I'm re-learning all about what life is supposed to be really, not what I was taught. I am betting this can be another way we can help each other. Since I'm starting T again, I may as well add to my learning curve here too since the earliest I can get started in school is January.
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#411949 - 10/02/12 12:51 AM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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I think we can all learn from one another in a good way. That is my hope anyway.
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Ephesians 6:13

Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

Ephesians 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

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#411957 - 10/02/12 04:26 AM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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Country please count me in. I look at Spirituality like a piano keyboard. Everyone brings different keys and when we can put them together then it is possible to play some beautiful music together. When can we all get together? Mike

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#411964 - 10/02/12 06:37 AM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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hey guys count on me too, I'm coming from religiously mixed family (Catholic and Orthodox) and I was raised in country with a lot of Islam influences plus atheists are everywhere because of past relating to communism... Many things mixed in one just as every one of us smile
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#412048 - 10/03/12 01:26 AM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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I know that we make worship differently and have different beliefs but one common thing that I would beliew we all share is to love one another and respect one another. I am at a point where I am wanting to learn. I am no bible scholar by any means. I would love to learn different aspects or stories. No matter the denomination or religion. So share bible stories or whatever you feel like sharing.
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Ephesians 6:13

Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

Ephesians 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

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#412049 - 10/03/12 01:29 AM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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Anyone or anything can lead. A donkey / horse can lead a wagon. A cow can lead a plow. The one steering these has the control. Who is steering us. Let God have the wheel. You may think you are in the lead to only find the devil has the reigns. I rebuke satan from our life in the name of Jesus.

If you don't follow God then I guess put whom or whatever you follow where you see God
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Ephesians 6:13

Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

Ephesians 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

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#412060 - 10/03/12 06:53 AM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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But.... what if someone worships satan.... you've just rebuked them right out of this conversation.....

;-)

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#412066 - 10/03/12 08:16 AM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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Country,

I joined the Catholic church in 2003 after many many years of being an atheist/agnostic.

I keep a LOW profile about my Faith here, but since you have opened the door... I am glad to add and learn from this thread (assuming mutual respect is maintained).

I was first exposed to the real Catholic Church's doctrine back when I was engaged to marry my wife at the mandatory "Marriage Classes", they were quite interesting to me and fit with my desire to commit to marriage and have a family.

Shortly after 9/11 and my wife's cancer diagnosis I needed God in my life in a REAL way, so I decided to join the Church and went through the RCIA program (adult education program for those wanting to join). I was baptized and confirmed at the Easter 2003 Vigil service (which is a wonderful memory for me).

Six years ago I joined a men's fellowship group (we meet Sat mornings at 7:30 am). We have discussed (and debated) many topics over the years, so I am fairly knowledgeable. One of the members of our group was actually a retired criminal lawyer who liked to argue just about EVERYTHING (he was leaning more Protestant, and actually very unhappy with the Catholic Church's soft political stances).

As far as Holy Water, yes it is water blessed by the priests. I dip my finger in and bless myself with it when entering/exiting the church. It is not mandatory to do this, just a Tradition. I had not thought much about the bacteria thing (wow, my wife would go nuts thinking about that...).

I had my foot washed once by our pastor at the Holy Thursday service (Thursday before Good Friday/Easter Sunday). This service re-enacts the Last Supper, and the priests wash the feet to symbolically show their role of humility and service to others.

I also have had my foot washed during a fantastic "experiential" men's retreat, and also washed men's feet later as a staff member.

Let me know if you have any more questions (PM if you prefer). I'll add here that Catholics (at least according to doctrine) do NOT worship Mary. We do ask (in prayer) for Mary (and other Saints) to pray for us. This is similar to asking others here on earth to pray for our needs.

We do not worship statues or other idols. We do read/study the Bible. In fact I do not know of any one hour experience more focused on Jesus and the Bible than a Catholic Mass service.

Take care and God Bless,
Jim
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#412089 - 10/03/12 03:14 PM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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Thanks for the info Jim. I kinda like the part of the holy water, kinda like leaving all the bad and evil out if the church and service. Then protecting you as you leave. In our church we don't pray to any one or thing other than the Trinity...We beliee Jesus is the Son of God and believe in the Holy Spirit that came after Jesus died and rose from the dead to ascend into Heaven. I am not saying what you do is wrong just stating what we do is all. We are non denominational. We have really wonder services and great down to earth step on your toes preaching. I have been to a Catholic service earlier in my life when I was young and I don't remember anything about it really.
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Ephesians 6:13

Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

Ephesians 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

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#412090 - 10/03/12 03:17 PM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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I have also been to foot washings and it is about people showing that they are not too good or better than the other human. We are all the same in Gods eyes. We baptize after someone has been saved and then hopefully they have fully surrendered to God and they are sanctified. Them the urge to sin is way lessened and they can focus on serving God and learning
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Ephesians 6:13

Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

Ephesians 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

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#414307 - 10/26/12 03:09 AM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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you made a good point Scott..Thank you for the kick in the butt..Point taken and I am sorry for that...
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Ephesians 6:13

Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

Ephesians 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

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#414308 - 10/26/12 03:15 AM Re: Open dialogue.. No getting mad or offended [Re: Country]
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so as I was witnessing to some people a guy joins in and says how can I prove God and he believes in science and not God.. I said that I do not have to prove that God exist if you are into science because science can not prove that He didnt exist so therefore He must say there is a possiblity.. If it is possible then he cant say that he doesnt believe in God or that he never existed.. anyway just wanted to share that..Hope everyone is great no matter what faith you are.. Peace
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Ephesians 6:13

Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

Ephesians 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her

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