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#410737 - 09/20/12 11:01 AM Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL?
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The irony sometimes hurts me to think about.

I grew up a fundamentalist Christian. I remember how judgmental I was of others for not believing the same thing I did.

I'm simply astonished at the quick judgments religious people pass off on others. It smacks in the face of the basic tenet of religion - DO NOT JUDGE! TAKE THE LOG OUT OF YOUR OWN EYE .... THE MESSAGE IS CLEAR - PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR **OWN** BEHAVIOR.

God this makes me so mad - to see this kind of arrogant judgmental behavior ON THIS FUCKING FORUM.

We're here to learn how to LOVE OURSELVES, not to be SHAMED!

For all you religious people who want to snap judge other people, proclaiming another person's behavior a "sin" because of a PERSONAL BELIEF - KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.

And yes, your faith is a *personal belief* and not the law of the land to be crammed down other people's throats, no matter how fervently you believe in your religion.

D
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#410741 - 09/20/12 11:17 AM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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Just by starting this means you are judgmental then. If a belief I shared an u feel judged then maybe that is conviction coming on you. Where was judgement at?? Just sharing a belief with someone is NOT judging.
I am a Christian before anything else. I will stand up for my faith and God when I need to. As far as my opinion, if I believe it is a sin and you don't then you don't let it worry you. Geez , this society is so puddinized with what we can or can't say. I didn't start this debate here or that one that you are referring to but when someone ask and then receive an opinion just because it ain't what they wanna hear and get mad then that is just the way It is I guess.
Is it a sin to MB?? I don't know? Is it a sin to list in your mind ?? Yes. Yes. Yes. If you don't think so then fine. You can be wrong all you want to. Ha
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#410744 - 09/20/12 11:20 AM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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I love and care for everyone here an try to help out when I can. I do not judge anyone here. That is not my place to judge them. I have prayed fr people on this site and prayed for this site and admin. I have prayed for u Magellan. So we disagree and that is fine but I won't argue any further because that is not the Christian thing to do. We disagree and I am fine with that.
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#410747 - 09/20/12 11:34 AM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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You can try to muddle the argument all you want, but

Dictionary definition of judgment:
1
a : a formal utterance of an authoritative opinion
b : an opinion so pronounced

You're NOT the authority of moral values. Just because you believe so, doesn't make it so.

Telling someone they're "sinning" *is* a judgment. You're parsing words and attempting to obscure.

I am no longer a christian, I left the religion because of how arrogant and judgmental most people are in it.

Can you find a way to provide support, love, and compassion without reminding them that *you* think they're a sinner? Can you?

D

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#410752 - 09/20/12 11:46 AM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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People are judgmental no matter on their beliefs because:
- they don't know to behave differently,
- they don't understand others,
- they are scared of unknown things,
- they are blind - not thinking by them-self,
- they are centric oriented : me, me and only me
those are just couple of things that I've learned on my own skin. I'm coming from multicultural country where Islam and Christianity is completely equal in social terms. Same goes for human limitations - it is the same no matter on religion...

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#410754 - 09/20/12 11:49 AM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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Whatever Magellan. You can copy an paste all the websters you want. Lust in the mind is sin. Always has been sin and always will be... Not once did you see me tell Gary that he has sinner...... That is what I said and I still say it. Get over it. Wasn't even your post. You won't bring me to anger over this.


Edited by Country (09/20/12 12:48 PM)
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#410761 - 09/20/12 12:27 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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I think the better question is, why is the human race so judgemental.

In recent days I've seen people attack christians over and over about being judgemental and hateful.... all the while in so doing they spew hate and judgement back.

Pot and Kettle calling...

Apparently only Christians are horrible and evil for speaking their opinion, while every one else is just using their right to free speech.

Gotta love the irony. It's ok for X, Y, or Z to make a formal utterance of an authoritative opinion but if said person is of any "Christian" background or opinion it's obviously just "hate and intolerance".

People, regardless of any particular background or religious belief, are just filled with hate and intolerance any more and it's pretty dang sad.

I also find it ironic that you say:
Quote:
And yes, your faith is a *personal belief* and not the law of the land to be crammed down other people's throats, no matter how fervently you believe in your religion.


And you come to this forum to try to tell those you are being judgmental of how you think they should behave, when the real deal is, you're beef is with NLTSaved, and as such it would have been better to address it directly with him via PM rather than paint a whole group with a big ole brush (which is in another stroke, another judgement upon an entire group of people).





Edited by JustScott (09/20/12 12:33 PM)

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#410763 - 09/20/12 12:54 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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I couldn't agree more Scott. People are so easily offended now a days anyway. It is ruining this great Country. Someone states their belief and it is wrong and people go off telling others how wrong this guy was and tries staying there beliefs to defend themselves. I personally don't push my beliefs off on anyone or especially judge them. They can choose one way or another way. Thu all lead to the same point in my opinion and that is before the judgment throne of God. The only judge that matters. I think this stuff got way outta hand. But I will back my faith every time. So I really can't say I am sorry but maybe just came across wrong I don't know. I hope that Gary is ok thru all of this tho.
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#410768 - 09/20/12 01:03 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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Honestly, I think religion is dangerous. It leads people to believe that what they believe is better than what someone elses believes. It leads people to believe that they can say things without repercussions. It leads people to condemn, judge, and manipulate. It leads people and parents to instill SHAME INTO THEIR CHILDREN.

The evidence is written all over this site. Any time someone posits a snap judgment aka "sin" into a discussion centered around trying to comprehend shame and to relieve themselves of it, it devolves.

I have yet to see one discussion on this site where this type of religious provocation has been constructive, or instrumental.

I think there is a reason why there is a SPIRITUALITY forum - its specifically FOR this purpose. Outside of this forum, it is dangerous and incendiary.

Just look at the evidence, and look at the threads. Wish it weren't the case. Wish I could control it. Wish I could change it, but I can't.

The simple truth is - people come here to be alleviated of their shame and confusion, not to have someone else try to remind them why they SHOULD be ashamed.

I'm done. I've made my point. It was either heard or ignored, and I can accept that.

D

PS: I said "RELIGION" not Christianity. I said *I* was the Christian. IE: I did not single any one religion out, but confessed my own participation in 1 of them. Get it? Good.
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#410774 - 09/20/12 01:27 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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You did single out one.

You started off with Christianity, then stated a "basic tenent of religion" which was a quote from the Bible and thus Christianity again.


So religious opinion and thought should only be allowed in certain places? Ok then, start up the concentration camps, and declare freedom for all those on the outside.

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#410775 - 09/20/12 01:28 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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I'm gonna back up Magellan by sidestepping a bit to make some language distinctions and how important they are.

I have a problem with absolutes, i.e., "lust is a sin". I have no problem, however, with someone saying, "I BELIEVE lust is a sin." I can respect that because the person has the personal conviction to express it in the first person.

But something expressed as an unqualified absolute (homosexuality is a sin, jacking off is a sin, etc.) begs the question - and a total mindfuck setup if there ever was one - according to WHOM? You? YOUR God? Well, that's nice, but some of us don't believe in Your God.

If you can parse the distinction, I'm pointing out the importance of language, particularly in this forum.

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#410776 - 09/20/12 01:30 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: JustScott]
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Nope, read it again. I said "I grew up a fundamentalist Christian". I singled MYSELF out.

In the thread title: "religious". My gripe is with ALL religions. I have personal experience with one of them, and thus, can speak from that experience. My personal experience.

If you choose to see it as singling YOU out, then be my guest. My words simply aren't there to support your conclusion.

D

Originally Posted By: JustScott
You did single out one.

You started off with Christianity, then stated a "basic tenent of religion" which was a quote from the Bible and thus Christianity again.


So religious opinion and thought should only be allowed in certain places? Ok then, start up the concentration camps, and declare freedom for all those on the outside.
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#410777 - 09/20/12 01:31 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Lancer]
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Thank you for stating my point more eloquently than I did, Lancer.



Originally Posted By: Lancer
I'm gonna back up Magellan by sidestepping a bit to make some language distinctions and how important they are.

I have a problem with absolutes, i.e., "lust is a sin". I have no problem, however, with someone saying, "I BELIEVE lust is a sin." I can respect that because the person has the personal conviction to express it in the first person.

But something expressed as an unqualified absolute (homosexuality is a sin, jacking off is a sin, etc.) begs the question - and a total mindfuck setup if there ever was one - according to WHOM? You? YOUR God? Well, that's nice, but some of us don't believe in Your God.

If you can parse the distinction, I'm pointing out the importance of language, particularly in this forum.
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#410780 - 09/20/12 01:40 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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Got your back, bro. {{{{{{{{{Magellan}}}}}}}}}} I'm sometimes a pretty good diplomat...and modest too. ;-)

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#410781 - 09/20/12 01:43 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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I don't believe I ever said you were singling "ME" out.

But regardless you quoted the Bible and stated it to be a basic tenent of religion... which certainly it is a part of religious teaching but the only one I'm aware of is Christianity.

If you meant ALL religions, then quoting from only ONE of them certainly doesn't help your case. It only makes it appear that you intended one in particular while talking about the many. Specifically the one attached to the individual who is at the root of the original post that sparked the whole thing.

That being said, I believe what I'm saying in that paragraph above is in 100% agreement with Lancer where he says, "I'm pointing out the importance of language,". The words we use are important.

I always personally try to qualify my words by stating "I believe" or "The Bible teaches", especially when talking about topics such as the current situation. I agree 100% with Lancer, the way we state things can surely color the statement in a way that may or may not be intended. I also agree that just because I believe a certain way, and believe it to be the way it is, doesn't mean I can thus expect everyone to think and feel the same way. I certainly know that not everyone believes in God. I've said quite a few times and in quite a few different settings that I have more people I call friend who are gay and/or atheist than who are Christians simply because (and this certainly can be found in ALL religions) many I have met are judgmental and hateful. But then I've met plenty of gay/atheist who are just as hateful as well.

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#410782 - 09/20/12 01:48 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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I'm not going to speak on specific beliefs of religions I have no experience with. That would be arrogant.

I speak from my personal experience, which is Christianity.

One last time - I hope this is clear - my beef is with ALL RELIGIONS. PERIOD. I stated examples by stating my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE with one of them. To try otherwise would be presumptuous and outside of my realm of experience.

And thanks for your thoughtful last paragraph. We're in TOTAL AGREEMENT there.

D




Edited by Magellan (09/20/12 01:50 PM)
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#410786 - 09/20/12 02:10 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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Lancer I am sorry but I read the bible and it says to lust is just the same as doing it. I am a follower of God and no specific religion. So if I read in the bible that lust is sin then to me it is. Whatever the bible say is my opinion


Edited by Country (09/20/12 02:11 PM)
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#410791 - 09/20/12 02:25 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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2 Timothy 2:22 refers to lust and there are several more
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#410915 - 09/21/12 02:47 AM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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Thank you for the post, Scott, and demonstrating that, yeah, personal responsibility actively works in your faith. I like your balanced approach a lot.

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#411077 - 09/22/12 02:58 PM * [Re: peroperic2009]
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Edited by Smalltown80sBoy (04/29/13 12:16 PM)

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#411079 - 09/22/12 03:24 PM * [Re: Lancer]
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Edited by Smalltown80sBoy (04/29/13 12:16 PM)

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#411080 - 09/22/12 04:23 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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Gary,
I respect your right to worship whatever religion you like and have your right to express your views. It doesn't mean I have to agree. I repect the fact that you come here and support your belief. Even tho I do not accept it as my faith doesn't mean I think you are a bad person. I think as long as we all agree that there are all different types of belief and just show respect to one another then we are all doing right by whomever we serve.
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Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

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#411081 - 09/22/12 04:26 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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There are extremist in every religion. Religion in my opinion is not dangerous. It is the extremist that make it dangerous.
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Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

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#411087 - 09/22/12 04:49 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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I am sad and hurt to find that the arguing continues here.

We are a community of wounded men, struggling to overcome the shame and damage of be sexually abused. All of you.....can't we love and respect one another? CAN'T WE?

Next time I have something personal to post, I'll just put a sign on my ass that says "Kick me" instead.

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#411090 - 09/22/12 05:11 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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I thought we were starting to head in the right direction Garydosh. Why do you feel like that?
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#411093 - 09/22/12 07:05 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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Guys

I have in the past few days gone back and read countless posts by all of you, many were heart felt messages of encouragement for one another. Some were shared life experiences showing the human spirit and how we can all overcome our afflictions, some ended with God bless and others with Be well my brother. Never did they mention a belief or lack there of.

I am certain that we all can continue to support eachother and not allow our differences to interfere with our common goal... RECOVERY... We can embrace our faiths without being judgemental and read replies without assuming judgement has been passed. I to have been guilty of both..

We can continue to create countless threads to divide us, but we must not lose sight of the most common thread we all share..

God bless and be well my brothers,

-Jay-
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#411094 - 09/22/12 07:20 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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Great post Jay
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#411099 - 09/22/12 08:26 PM * [Re: Country]
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#411108 - 09/22/12 08:59 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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Well let me say this Gary. It is terrible that people treat you in such a manner. We are suppose to love one another and not judge. That is just good humanity. I am really sorry that you go they things like this. I love ya brother no matter what religion you are. I love you for just being a human being. Everyone here the same. We may squabble and not see eye to eye but dang we are in this fight together. I ain't too proud to acknowledge that I don't have all the answers but I can care for someone if I can't do anything else.
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Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

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#411134 - 09/23/12 05:04 AM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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Gary -

sometimes i am ashamed to call myself a christian. not because i am ashamed of Christ - but because i want to distance myself from those who use his name but do not faithfully represent him. i am sorry that they hurt you. i love you and consider you my survivor-brother, regardless of whether we are brothers in the same faith or not.

Lee


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#413359 - 10/16/12 10:26 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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Marshall Rosenberg, the founder of Nonviolent Communication, says that all judgements are the tragic expressions of unmet needs.

So if someone is judging me, I simply choose to hear the need they are expressing through their judgement. "You people are so sick." I could ask- are you needing is to stay healthy? Are you afraid, because you need to know that you / your children will be safe? Are you needing to choose the experiences that are good for you?

Judgement is an endless trap and leads nowhere. That is why in Christianity & other religions they emphasize non judging. It's our small human minds that judge.

Realizing this has given me so much freedom from fear of being judged as a kinky gay man, survivor of abuse, and mentor to children. I can hear the real human needs people have instead of getting wrapped up in what they think of me (which is really about them).

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#413367 - 10/17/12 12:19 AM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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"As you judge, so shall you be judged".

That, I think, summarizes Psychology 101, and 102, and 201, and 202, and 301, and 401/2A.

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#413371 - 10/17/12 02:20 AM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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Why are Christians judgmental?

Oh, gee, that's so easy. They are either doing the sinning they are bitching about others they think are doing it, OR, 90% of the time, they are jealous they ain't doing it! lol Ignore them. They ain't Christian anyway just hypocrites.
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#413384 - 10/17/12 06:38 AM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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Quote:
They ain't Christian anyway just hypocrites.


Agreed!

I like the NLT version of that verse a little better:
For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged.

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#441726 - 07/22/13 10:07 AM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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There are a lot of constructive posts in the Spirituality Thread that are not judgmental, and focus on healing for those who choose to believe and want to follow that path. It is, for a lot of people, a source of healing. No one forces another member to come into this thread and read these posts. Yet here we are, getting the same argument and attack again with the ideas of: unless you heal my way and how I find it acceptable, you are a problem. Healing is different for different people, so why attack those who do not choose a secular progressive path? If God does not work for someone else ok, but trying to heal with His help does work for me and many others.

If someone wants to attack me personally for that, they should really ask themselves if attacking my chosen path to healing is really productive and judgmental. What exactly is that attack going to accomplish? It won't change me or who I am because I am finding new strength and healing on this path. If doing that simply makes someone feel better inside having jumped on another member, that reminds me a lot of perps who tried to silence me though fear.
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#441773 - 07/22/13 05:15 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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i judge.
i judge myself.
i judge others.
i do it all the time.
i am a sinner.
i am weak.
i repent.
JHVH God Allah Gott Kami-san, please give me the strength and wisdom to hear your word, and love in the name of JHSVH Jesus, through the power of ruach elohim the holy spirit.

"You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister?
Or why do you treat them with contempt?
For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat
." - Romans 14:10

"Therefore let us stop passing judgement on one another.
Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way.
" - Romans 14:13

"We put no stumbling block in anyone's path, so that our ministry will not be discredited." - 2 Corinthians 6:3

"Get behind me, Satan!
You are a stumbling block to me;
you do not have in mind the concerns of God,
but merely human concerns.
" - Matthew 16:23

judging is a skill.
it is required to navigate life.
options versus priorities.
risks versus rewards.
it can be learned and applied for practical purposes.
my daughters are both 4-H champions with ribbons and trophies.
judging others is a survival skill.
who does not assess the potential threat of a stranger?

i expect to be judged every time i hit the submit.
i come here to seek validation and approval,
which requires your judgement.
if someone judges me wrong and chooses to tell me in the spirit of love,
i try to accept the critique in the spirit it was hopefully given.
i welcome a gentle reminder from a concerned brother that i am going astray.
i don't like to get lost unless it is on purpose.

kahlil gibran says.
"And when one of you falls down he falls for those behind him, a caution against the stumbling stone.
Ay, and he falls for those ahead of him, who though faster and surer of foot, yet removed not the stumbling stone."

so we must learn to develop our judging skills and apply them to our own actions and decisions with a deep and abiding love and a true desire to share that love.

matthew 5:14-16
"Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick;
and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works,
and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
"


to claim a monopoly on morality is not only presumptuous, it is preposterous and perilous.

i leave you with

1 Timothy 1:5-17

"The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
Some have departed from these and have turned to meaningless talk.
They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,
for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.
I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength, that he considered me trustworthy, appointing me to his service.
Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief.
The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst.
But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life.
Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
"
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#441777 - 07/22/13 05:26 PM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: victor-victim]
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Romans 13:8-10
"Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
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#444747 - 08/20/13 12:23 AM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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THE JUDGEMENT HOUR


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLglVyMtBuU

"For God will bring every deed into judgment,
including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evil
."
Ecclesiastes 12:14

(not man)

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ,
so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body,
whether good or evil
."
2 Corinthians 5:10

(not man)

i will be judged by my creator,
and no one else, not even myself.
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#444750 - 08/20/13 12:41 AM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: victor-victim]
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It's easy to judge when someone feels that another persons sins outweigh their own. They just don't understand and never will. I just accept them for who they are it is so much easier to love from a distance.

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#444768 - 08/20/13 08:09 AM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: JustScott]
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Originally Posted By: JustScott
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They ain't Christian anyway just hypocrites.


Agreed!

I like the NLT version of that verse a little better:
For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged.


It was only a matter of time until the original, literal premise of this thread turned its sights from "Religion," to "Christians."

I dare say that no one can describe a "Christian" with any universal text that all of us would agree upon. But if religion plays a major role in the healing and lives of your fellow survivors, why are some here so ready and willing to kick us in the ribs?

Islam kills (in very intensely torturous methods) gays. The rape victim is frequently blamed and-or killed...but minimally, the victim is considered "too unclean for real life." Why do I N E V E R see ANY objections or knee-jerk slashing about Muslims here? Anyone got the keyboard brass to answer that?

Its really quite disappointing and disturbing that some are told to stop bringing "politics" into the site, as they have no bearing on CSA....that we are brothers in healing and ought not be divided...When clearly, both religion AND politics seem to play a role in the healing of many survivors.

Drop-in visits with hate-guns has become standard op here. This has become a shooting range...NOT a Forum!

When you piss-upon the category known as "Christians," yer pissing on ME too...and a lot of other folks in MS....and people who will never join MS because they see these threads of division.


Edited by Still (08/20/13 08:28 AM)
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#444904 - 08/21/13 07:43 AM Re: Why are religious people so JUDGMENTAL? [Re: Magellan]
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Due to the direction to which this topic has turned, site management feels it has run its course as a helpful topic and will now be closed. Singling any group for attack brings unnecessary tension to the discussion board, and removes focus from recovery. Granted this can be a difficult topic, but it is best not single out any particular group to begin with. Our aim is to provide a safe and supportive environment for each other.

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