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#400090 - 06/11/12 01:54 AM Coach Sandusky Trial
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The trial in PA of Coach Sandusky . Is bring the issue of Male Sexual Trauma into the public eye . I know that this is a hard thing for these men to do.But Sandusky needs to be held accountable for the damage that he has done.
I am afraid that He will get away with this because Money shuts mouths.
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#400091 - 06/11/12 02:06 AM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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I'd like to think that he made such an embarrassment, he will be found guilty. Paterno scandal, so much embarrassment...hopefully he'll get some comeuppance.

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#400092 - 06/11/12 02:38 AM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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Hi Guys

I've been noticing a steady climb in the number of members registering on the site since the start of the trial, so although this thing is hurting people, It is also drawing attention to the "dirty secret" CSA and helping people find MS.org.

I hope that this is not triggering people on the site though.

Heal well all
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#400120 - 06/11/12 01:21 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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Oh he will be found guilty of that I am sure. One victim told and the floodgates opened now he gets to drown.
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#400131 - 06/11/12 03:17 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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#400133 - 06/11/12 03:55 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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Hi Guys,

Yes, I am one of the people, for better or worse, who is following the coverage of the Sandusky trial.

Pennsylvania does not allow cameras in the court rooms, so the commentators from In Session (formerly Court TV) come out during breaks to update the producers and the viewing audience.

Though it is not allowable to do "instant reporting" from the gallery (not texting, etc.), snippets of the opening statements from both the prosecution and the defense have been reported.

It is abundantly clear that Mr. Amendola, Sandusky's lead attorney, is attacking the credibility, veracity of the accounts and even the perceptions of the "showers," every chance he gets.

One of the jurors, who will be a senior at Penn State is very moved by the trial, and appears to be watching Sandusky for his reactions to the opening statements as well as the testimony of the first witness, victim #4.

Although the court (judge) decided that the full names of the victims MUST be revealed/ used in open court, In Session is refusing to disclose the identities of the victims.

I cannot figure out why the rape shield laws are not being utilized to protect the identities of Sandusky's victims. Afterall, that is one of the purposes for those laws.

Sandusky can get just as fair a trial, and "face his accusers" if they used pseudonyms or their real, full names.

Being forced to reveal their identities seems to me to be just another tactic of intimidation by the defense.

Anywho, from all accounts, the first witness against Sandusky is doing very well on the stand, at least during his direct examination. In Session is off the air right now, and HLN is NOT picking up the coverage as they have done in other cases, so it is yet to be known how this gentleman is doing under cross examination.

It has been reported that all of the victims testifying in this case have been working closely with therapists and other support people to help them deal with the abuses as well as prepare for the trial. I am sure there is a lot of care taking place as the trial proceeds and that they will also be receiving after-care.

I admire their courage and their resolve to stand up, publicly, to someone who had been long regarded as a football deity.

It is time to bring the dirty secrets to light and to make the public understand why people do not "immediately run home and tell someone" as has been asked more times than I can count in regard to the abuses by Sandusky, and others.

I wish they would have psychologists on In Session, and other shows, and I do not mean a few media attention, grandizing not-worth-their degrees therapists, to really explain the deleterious effects of abuse, especially the confusion, shame, humiliation, guilt, etc.

It is more than time that the closed-minded in society stop blaming the victims instead of the perpetrators and stop holding those who were blameless to a higher standard than those who committed the abuses.

I also hope that those who are still suffering in silence - those who have yet to tell their secrets to anyone, find their way here, so they can finally realize they are not alone and it was not their fault. I say this for those who have endured CSA, ASA, or both.





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#400149 - 06/11/12 07:00 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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I was just getting ready to leave and the Sandusky story popped up. I should not have read--victim 4--so sad, so many years, taken advantage of by Sandusky, how can his life ever be good--hopefully he is getting help. The description of what was done, only reminds me of my own-sickens me. I was trying to stay away from the media on this story. But I guess I will have to face it once again. The Victims how I admire their courage and hopefully they are surrounded by supporters and not people who want to tear them down. This is only the beginning. I hope to keep myself in balance but want to support the victims. It will be long couple of weeks

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#400154 - 06/11/12 08:04 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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Hi Okie Mike,

I agree that this case is definately bring Male CSA to the forefront. While that is good, the worst is that there are so many out there who still hide their abuse. I can only stress to those still hiding their dark secret to get treatment.

As somebody who waited over 40 years to get treatment, the abuse destroyed my adolscent and adult life. I now pay the consequences for not getting treatment earlier.

Congrats to all the survivors for having the courage to stand up to an (icon) and put up with all the publicity and questioning by the victims.

Good luck to all of them.
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#400164 - 06/11/12 09:14 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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I watched an Espn commentator interviewed and he was saying the trial is rushed and was making statements about victims waiting too long before they came forward. It really got me fired up. I repressed for 42 years and can relate to the victims. I am so glad this is finally getting headlines. Now, if these 24 hour news channels will just inform and educate, instead of force opinions on everyone.

I pray this is handled properly in the press, it's just too importan for all of us.
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#400165 - 06/11/12 09:23 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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Hi Guys,

Unfortunately, the ignorant in society always raise that as a "reason" to disbelieve.

It is also going to be something Sandusky's attorneys use to put doubt in the minds of the jurors.

The news commentators and anyone else who feels the need to put in their $0.02 are missing, or misusing, an opportunity to educate the public with the facts about sexual abuse and the trauma it creates, rather than spew their misconceptions, compound the ignorance and reinforce the myths.




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#400167 - 06/11/12 09:26 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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The Associated Press is also not disclosing the accusers names referring to todays witness as "Victim 4" saying "The Associated Press typically doesnt identify people who say they are victims of sex crimes".
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#400207 - 06/12/12 06:31 AM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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Would it not be great if we could get 200 or so victims to picket outside he court house, If I were in the States, believe you me that is where I would be.
Showing the victims that they are believed and are not alone.
They really need our physical presence and support and not just our words right now. How petrified these boys and men must be in the midst of all these horrid lawyers trying to prove that they asked for it or wanted it.
The world needs to start understanding that this happens to many men and that it is happening more and more.

Heal well
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#400215 - 06/12/12 08:54 AM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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Hi Guys,

It is difficult to know how close one can actually get to the court house.

I believe In Session reported that there are approximately 320 media personnel there, with cameras on tripods blanketing the front of the courthouse. There are also between 20 - 25 satellite equipped media trucks. The media that is present is from across the country.

If there are supporters, they have not (yet) been shown. I have not yet heard reports about the intensity of police presence around the court house.

Aside from the mention of the vast media presence, the only other thing mentioned is that the court room is packed; mostly by media, and by supporters, therapists and family for the victims who are testifying.

It is refreshing to hear that the newspaper is withholding the names of the victims who are testifying in this case, even though the judge has chosen to refuse these young men (I believe they said the youngest is now 18, the eldest, "victim #4," is 28) the privacy they deserve.

I have been up all night working on a project, which I am not ready to reveal. Let it suffice to say there is a lot of work to be done. Many of the resources I saw for sexual assault identified themselves in terms of "for women and children," but few mentioned males.

It is inconceivable in this day and age, with the so-called "enlightenment" of society, that sexual assault providers are still only identifying "women and children" as the only ones in need of such services.

A few of these "providers" received emails from me, drawing attnetion to their ignorance and the harm it causes.






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#400220 - 06/12/12 09:28 AM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: Anomalous]
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I agree the ignorance is so rampant. I hear people shouting Free Jerry, Justice for Jerry--and from some so close. It just shows how their failure to understand people and the damage of CSA and all sex abuse is to the victim. It sickens me to death to hear these comments. Where was justice for the child, so hopeless and at the mercy of the perp who used psychological and physical abuse to destroy the child's mind and to keep the dirty secret.

When I hear the commentator and those shouting for Jerry I ask if it was your son, your brother, your father that had been abused as a child how would it feel? Or would you deny them--think these victims are someones child, brother and possibly father. Don't teach your children to turn their backs on the victim because you are too cowardly to face the truth. Yes ignorant cowards who get joy and pleasure at beating down those who have been abused. I wonder what type of lessons these people learned in childhood to be so cruel.

I am so angry at what I see and hear. I am glad the media is so far not reporting the names of the victims--they deserve some dignity--they have received little so far in life.

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#400223 - 06/12/12 11:35 AM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: KMCINVA]
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The fact that there is such intense media attention given to this trial shows us several things. Even though the media often seem reluctant to report news about child sexual abuse, they are watching. They are interested. This means that the "public" will be given lots of information not easily available before. The public will wake up more and more. Recent publicity over the Etan Patz case, Oprah Wonfreh's efforts, and other matters are starting to get the idea across that something is going on. It's not just in Pennsylvania. Perhaps more trials will be opened up across the country.

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#400225 - 06/12/12 11:47 AM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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I hope there will be information from the victim's perspective--the impact it has on a victim's life and not solely a trial and hearing lame excuses why it occurred. It is an opportunity for the media to truly explore the issue.

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#400228 - 06/12/12 12:38 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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One thing I noticed, day one of testimony took that stupid grin off that SOB's face. It is sinking in that these were real boys who really went through this. It is apparent that there is ample corroboration. Unfortunately necessary, but the prosecutor here is not ducking. From press accounts, Victim #4 really changed the tone of things and pretty much manhandled Amendola. Victim 4 is well prepared for all his rationalizations and minimalizations and smacked them back in his face. The reporter on SI said it was like this victim was waiting a decade rehearsing his testimony in his head for a day just like today. Victim 4 is my hero.
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#400230 - 06/12/12 01:22 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: catfish86]
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Originally Posted By: catfish86
Victim 4 is well prepared...


I noticed that too.

He's 28 now, so, he's had .. what? over 10 years to recover.

That should show you how long it takes. (I'm sure you know too) He's now able to speak his truth solidly. He trusts himself. He knows he's not to blame here.

But look at how long it takes...
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#400240 - 06/12/12 03:29 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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I wish that I was there to see this PERVERT sink into the depths of hell as the evidence mounts up against him.
I really wish that I could be there to support those victims. From what I hear Mr St John is doing a great job and people are being encouraged to join MS.org.
I hope that none on this site are being affected to badly, and that you are all staying rational and strong through this.

Heal well all
Martin
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#400251 - 06/12/12 05:24 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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I am afraid that this will be influnced. By the fact that this POS. Has a lot of money behind him.To spend on crooked lawers . It seems to me that The scales of justice . Can be tilted by money . There are several cases where The rich get away with crimes. Because they are able to buy there way out of there crimes.
Penn State University would like this whole thing to go away. Because it has tarnished the schools image .
Dont be suprised when he gets away with this . Or just gets a slap on the wrist.
I prey that the courts will see that This has been going on for a long time. And send to prison for a long time.
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#400253 - 06/12/12 05:29 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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I am afraid that this will be influnced. By the fact that this POS. Has a lot of money behind him.To spend on crooked lawers . It seems to me that The scales of justice . Can be tilted by money . There are several cases where The rich get away with crimes. Because they are able to buy there way out of there crimes.
Penn State University would like this whole thing to go away. Because it has tarnished the schools image .
Dont be suprised when he gets away with this . Or just gets a slap on the wrist.
I prey that the courts will see that This has been going on for a long time. And send to prison for a long time.
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#400257 - 06/12/12 07:12 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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I hope then you should be pleased by victim #4's testimony. His frankness made the hurt boy inside me cheer. He expressed everything I wished I could say in the most straight forward manner possible. Peace

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#400258 - 06/12/12 07:17 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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Absolutely - hero is the word.

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#400263 - 06/12/12 08:41 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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The courageousness of the survivors that are now testifying is a testament to all who have ever gone through sexual abuse and came out the other side. Today, they are speaking loud and clear and hitting the defense attorney upside the head with a 2 x 4, and handing him his head on a platter. Excellent work.
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#400266 - 06/12/12 08:53 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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I find myself getting really angry at the defense lawyer. I know everyone is entitled to a defense and people with resources lawyer-up to defend themselves in all types of cases, but there is something really indecent about this process -- the cross examinations to discredit the witnesses. Like these victims are all going to get up there to make up stories about abuse. Sandusky is a monster. And his lawyer is a real sleaze.

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#400304 - 06/13/12 02:53 AM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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This trial just reinforces the reputation of a lot of the lawyers in the world not only the States.
Lower than Shark Sh@t
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#400347 - 06/13/12 02:41 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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Hi Guys,

Please do not flame me for what I am going to say -- I despise the tactics of Sandusky's attorneys as much as everyone else. But our system of justice does provide for a vigorous defense.

This is NOT saying that I agree with the BS being spewed by Mr. Amendola and the other attorneys on the defense team. Every chance they get they are trying to use the "delayed" reporting of the abuse, the "newly recovered" memories never told to anyone other than the D.A., and the fact that some of the victims knew each other as "proof" that the abuses didn't take place and it was only after the first victim came forward that the others who merely knew Sandusky, figured they could line their pockets with Penn State money.

One thing Mr. Amendola seems to be glossing over is that Penn State is not sitting at the defense table - Jerry Sandusky is.

I strenuously object to referring to Sandusky as "coach." That keeps Sandusky on the elevated platform of respect he once held. He does not deserve that respect or his former title.

Several of the victims know each other becuase they were being abused simultaneously. There was a photograph shown in court today in which the victim on the stand identified three of the other victims in that photograph.

But knowing each other is NOT the same as having colluded with each other, as the defense is trying to imply.

How I want to give Mr. Amendola and the rest of the defense team a piece of my mind!!

I was searching for Mr. Amendola's contact information when I ran across something that sidetracked me.

On second thought, perhaps calling Mr. Amendola lower than shark **** is right -- or perhaps too good.....

Quote:
Sandusky is not the only member of the Penn State football community who was represented by Amendola after being accused of a sexual crime.


Quote:
Amendola also represented Nittany Lions tailback Austin Scott after another student accused Scott of rape in 2007. Centre County prosecutors dropped the case on the eve of trial in 2008 when a judge said the jury could be told that the alleged victim had accused another man of a similar crime four years earlier. The man in the earlier case was acquitted.


On a personal note, Mr. Amendola has his own issues. The rest of that article can be found here.

(Sorry for the disjointed thoughts -- I keep being interrupted.)

Right now there is a gentleman speaking to Ryan Smith, an attorney and commentator on In Session. He is explaing the web, the grooming process, that trapped him as well as Sandusky's victims. He is speaking at length about sexual abuse, sexual abusers, and about how Sandusky could have, and should have been stopped years ago. He also stated that Sandusky started the Second Mile charity to have access to countless victims.

Since it is the lunchbreak for court, In Session is having a lot guests speaking about sexual abuse, either from their own experiences, sexual abuse/ assault in general, or who are discussing the actions of Sandusky, other coaches in their lives, Penn State, etc.

I wish they would announce this website daily, and frequently. Many who need to be here might not have seen yesterday's coverage and may have missed the information.




Anomalous


Edited by Anomalous (06/13/12 02:57 PM)
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#400363 - 06/13/12 06:53 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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I will say this, the defense has so far shown nothing to bring any reasonable doubt as to what is being presented. You have different victims describing similar behavior with corroborating witnesses and exhibits, including the "contract" and "creepy love letters". Remember that Penn State did nothing, eventually a social worker believed a victim. Then now Governor Corbit had someone put all the pieces together. It was obvious for at least two years to everyone involved where this was going. They continued to do nothing. The news broke, the pres and vp were charged criminally along with Sandusky. The board of Penn State did nothing until Governor Corbit and his cabinet showed up for the figure-head board positions to vote and brow beat the board into finally doing the right thing and sacking Paterno, the VP and Pres Spanier. This jury is being hand fed what is really a very thorough, consistent mountain of evidence. I think back to the county prosecutor who did nothing, then mysteriously disappeared. I think back to the janitor that knew he would be fired if he said anything. When the prosecution is laying out its case, I am even more convinced that Paterno deserved to be fired and the pres and VP should spend some real time in PRISON. The Penn State football program needs to be shut down for at least a year. This permeated the entire program for decades.
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#400367 - 06/13/12 08:16 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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The trial has shed a lot of light on the cover-up at Penn State. Apparently there was a file on Sandusky and an email in which the former president talked about not reporting Sandusky. At the time of the firings I thought that the president and Paterno got it because this had occurred on their watch. Now it becomes clear that there was widespread institutional collusion. This combined with the article in last Sunday's New York Times about the Horace Mann School shows how some institutions sanction abuse of children (nothing new). They should be liable -- and I do hope people sue Penn State and the Horace Mann school or perhaps they have already done so. Perhaps a few successful lawsuits will prompt institutions to put in place mechanisms that prevent these types of things.

The irony is that the defense is trying to discredit victims for possibly preparing to file civil suits for the abuse. I think suing Penn State for damages is the most responsible thing that those victims can do so as to prompt changes at the institutional level.

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#400382 - 06/13/12 10:28 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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**triggers**

I hope somebody hangs Sandusky from a f*cking yardarm. The sad thing is there are lots of low life pieces of shit like him still out there doing it everyday and thinking it's a-okay. One thing is for sure--his wife knew what was going on upstairs and in the basement. Mike McQueary, Paterno and Sandusky's wife is a prime example why it goes on. Paterno knew in 1996! He was on a national speaking tour, stopped it when pedo was fired for 2 weeks then resumed the tour. Others, that live there, said Sandusky was also pimping kids to big donors to Penn State. I bet there is a lot in this cover-up we'll never know. frown Every time I see the name "Penn" I think child rape. First thing I think about. Sad.
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#400396 - 06/14/12 02:18 AM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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Hi Catfish,

Long time, no see!!

I am glad you brought up that email. When I heard about that today it made me even more angry. As did the reply that McQueary received when he reported what he had seen in the shower ....

Quote:
I have heard rumblings about Sandusky before this...


Penn State chose to cover this up rather than take action for one reason and one reason only - the millions of dollars the football program brings into the Penn State coffers annually.

Penn State, plus several of the individuals involved in this cover-up, which no one yet knows how far it goes since the emails have been redacted, should be charged with some kind of enterprise corruption in addition to the cover-ups. Ok, I admit it, I watch a lot of Law & Order as well as In Session.

But the university and others did collude to keep this from being reported. The campus security report from 1998 shows that Sandusky was told, by the head of security at the time, I believe, to "stop taking showers with young boys." Sandusky "agreed," and the file was CLOSED.

Had Penn State reported Sandusky to the police in 1998 there wouldn't be as many victims that can call Sandusky their perpetrator.

As sick as all of this is - as enraging as Sandusky's behavior is, I can't stop thinking about the price tag that Penn State put on those boys.

Though the circumstances at a place I used to work were different (no sexual abuse), there were policies that were not implemented for no other reason that "inconvenience." When I was frantically trying to resolve a problem because a kids life hung in the balance, one of my superiors told me "don't worry about it. They'll sue and the attorneys will handle it."

In disgust, I asked "how much is a human life worth?"

It very much feels that Penn State took the same attitude. Cover it up and hopefully no one will ever figure it out. But if they do, they'll just battle the law suits. And if they happen to lose a civil suit or two, it wouldn't come anywhere near as much as they would have lost if the football program was compromised.

I suppose in the not too distant future, Penn State will find out how much the innocence of those boys cost afterall.





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#400397 - 06/14/12 02:19 AM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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Hi Catfish,

Long time, no see!!

I am glad you brought up that email. When I heard about that today it made me even more angry. As did the reply that McQueary received when he reported what he had seen in the shower ....

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I have heard rumblings about Sandusky before this...


Penn State chose to cover this up rather than take action for one reason and one reason only - the millions of dollars the football program brings into the Penn State coffers annually.

Penn State, plus several of the individuals involved in this cover-up, which no one yet knows how far it goes since the emails have been redacted, should be charged with some kind of enterprise corruption in addition to the cover-ups. Ok, I admit it, I watch a lot of Law & Order as well as In Session.

But the university and others did collude to keep this from being reported. The campus security report from 1998 shows that Sandusky was told, by the head of security at the time, I believe, to "stop taking showers with young boys." Sandusky "agreed," and the file was CLOSED.

Had Penn State reported Sandusky to the police in 1998 there wouldn't be as many victims that can call Sandusky their perpetrator.

As sick as all of this is - as enraging as Sandusky's behavior is, I can't stop thinking about the price tag that Penn State put on those boys.

Though the circumstances at a place I used to work were different (no sexual abuse), there were policies that were not implemented for no other reason that "inconvenience." When I was frantically trying to resolve a problem because a kids life hung in the balance, one of my superiors told me "don't worry about it. They'll sue and the attorneys will handle it."

In disgust, I asked "how much is a human life worth?"

It very much feels that Penn State took the same attitude. Cover it up and hopefully no one will ever figure it out. But if they do, they'll just battle the law suits. And if they happen to lose a civil suit or two, it wouldn't come anywhere near as much as they would have lost if the football program was compromised.

I suppose in the not too distant future, Penn State will find out how much the innocence of those boys cost afterall.





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#400400 - 06/14/12 03:37 AM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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I believe that the evedence so far has shown that Mr Sandusky has been molesting Young Boys for an extended pierod of time and people knew that this was happening. The people that helped cover this up are guilty of obstruction of justice .
I am a former Pensylvanian That was a fan of Penn State Football. I believe that this cost joe Paterno his life.
Because he could not live with the shame that this has brought on the school .
I hope that MR Sandusky is found Guilty . And sent to The worst prison in the State of PA. And realeased into the general population of the prison. Because He will have to be kept in isolation . Or someone will kill him. Pedofiles do not do well in prison .
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#400422 - 06/14/12 12:57 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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I watch this unfold and the overwhelming feeling I have is - surprisingly enough - envy. I wish I had the opportunity to be taken seriously by others, to testify, to have the incredible opportunity that these young men do now - as tough as it is - to define a closure to that part of their lives. I was terrified I might have to when it happened to me. I thought it was a gift when the adults decided not to take it to the police and to the courts. Be careful what you wish for, I suppose. I would have been so much better off if I had been put on the stand to testify against the guy who molested me and all the little girls in the neighborhood. Instead, it was decided I should just deal with it quietly - by myself. That is exactly what some of these kids were doing when their hand was forced to testify.

At least these men will not live with secrets. At least they won't have this crap stuffed into the darkest recesses for no one else to know - dealing with it all alone as if they knew how.

I won't exclaim or shout out what I think Jerry Sandusky deserves. I have always felt the ultimate justice for Sandusky should be determined not by the judge, not by popular angry sentiment, but by the victims. They alone should have the right to determine Sandusky's fate - no matter how lenient or harsh - just as he has done with them. It would be the ultimate empowerment for these young men.
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#400441 - 06/14/12 05:52 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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Eric, I feel the same as you. When Victim 1 said he felt guilty about not saying anything because of all the ones after who suffered, I felt a gut wrench. My perp died unpunished. I was asked in therapy on a couple of occasions whether my uncle had done anything and I honestly couldn't remember it. I really couldn't. I am happy they got their chance. The real shame should be on the kids who bullied Victim 1 out of his school. If these boys were really out for money they would keep their mouths shut and continue to accept gifts from Sandusky.
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#400483 - 06/15/12 04:26 AM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: Chase Eric]
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Originally Posted By: Chase Eric
I watch this unfold and the overwhelming feeling I have is - surprisingly enough - envy. I wish I had the opportunity to be taken seriously by others, to testify, to have the incredible opportunity that these young men do now - as tough as it is - to define a closure to that part of their lives. I was terrified I might have to when it happened to me. I thought it was a gift when the adults decided not to take it to the police and to the courts. Be careful what you wish for, I suppose. I would have been so much better off if I had been put on the stand to testify against the guy who molested me and all the little girls in the neighborhood. Instead, it was decided I should just deal with it quietly - by myself. That is exactly what some of these kids were doing when their hand was forced to testify.

At least these men will not live with secrets. At least they won't have this crap stuffed into the darkest recesses for no one else to know - dealing with it all alone as if they knew how.


I know what you mean, Eric! i have felt the same way...

and then i read this account:

***A third accuser, known as Victim 3, was an Army National Guard sergeant who testified Thursday that despite being fondled by Sandusky, he had viewed him as a father figure and was crushed when he was sent to a group home and Sandusky never contacted him again.

"I would pray he would call me and maybe find a way to get me out of there," he said, "but it never happened."

He testified that he felt uncomfortable when Sandusky touched his genitals in bed, and that he would roll over to prevent anything else from happening, but that he didn't tell Sandusky not to get into bed with him.

"He made me feel like I was a part of something, like a family," the man said. "He gave me things that I hadn't had before." He said that he loved Sandusky, and that Sandusky treated him like he was part of an extended family and feel "unconditionally loved."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/14/acc...s#ixzz1xqdiAweL ***

...and crazy as it may seem, i envied his feeling of being loved and part of a family. for me there was never even the pretense of love or even affection involved. i had a "family" - of sorts - but never felt a part of it or felt loved by any father figure. how warped do you have to be to feel envy for such a situation?

lee


Edited by traveler (06/15/12 09:56 AM)
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#400527 - 06/15/12 05:02 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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Hi Guys,

In case you missed it, Chris Anderson, Executive Director of MS, was on In Session today speaking with Ryan Smith, attorney and commentator.

Mr. Anderson, despite the very short period of time he was given to speak, made the points of how very courageous and laudable these young men are for coming forth and testify. He also spoke about the stigma of sexual abuse and he dispelled the myth that those who are sexually abused "immediately go home and tell someone." Nothing is further from the truth.

I was happy to have been able to see Mr. Anderson's appearance on In Session. I only wish they had given him much more time to discuss the much malined and misunderstood topic of sexual abuse, regardless of who the victims are.

On another note, this afternoon the judge decided to allow testimony regarding Sandusky's diagnosis of Histrionic Personality Disorder, with a caveat.

Mr. Sandusky MUST be examined by the Commonweath of Pennsylvania's mental health professional(s). If he refuses to do this, his attorneys may not mention that diagnosis in their effort to have the "love letters" seen in a less damaging light.

Of course, any mental health professional the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania puts on the stand is going to refute the diagnosis and/ or refute it makes the letters "innocent."

Sandusky has, I believe, until Sunday night to be evaluated. This will give the attorneys on both sides time to evaluate the report(s) before court resumes on Monday.






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#400528 - 06/15/12 05:06 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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Thanks Anomalous,

For what it's worth, I'm slated to be on truTV again this Tuesday afternoon. I'll be back in Bellefonte attending the trial and will post information about when I'll be on later when details are finalized.

In the meantime, I hope everyone will spend some time this weekend practicing self-care. It's very important that we don't allow this trial to overwhelm us. Check out the tips we posted at the top of every forum for further information on this.

Best,
Chris

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#400530 - 06/15/12 05:44 PM Re: Coach Sandusky Trial [Re: OKIE MIKE]
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So far I have not seen any atempt of the Defence team to say that Mr.Sandusky . Is not Guilty of being a Sexual Preditor . They are tring to say that He has a persononalty disorder. That still does not make the damage that has meen done to thease Men any less damageing .
It is aperent that he is a Pedofile . and should be treated as such.
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